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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 4:54:43 AM   
StrangerThan


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So, you think MANY independents and democrats will vote for her?

Why would you think that?

How is calling a statement pathetic debating?

People are indeed fed up. But this woman is a loon who will campaign to a fringe element.

I predict, for you all to see, that she will say some very dumb things during the campaign and loose.


No, I don't think many will vote for her. What I said was, read it again, many probably won't vote at all given the choice between her and her opponent. Look at national polls. Dems have lost independents by a wide margin. State to state, race to race, it can and will vary, but I'd guess many will just stay home as is quite often the case when neither side offers something to vote for and mostly offers something to vote against.

She probably will lose. I think everyone is writing that seat off to Democrats now. Imagine the shrug cause that's my feeling on  her chances.

Domi is pathetic, not the debate. I thought that was clear given the context. He wants me to worry about how I appear to him. That chance is roughly equal to a comet striking earth tomorrow and destroying all life upon it.


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 5:02:11 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		How do you reconcile that with your statement about being happy people are "taking stands" earlier in this thread.

A silly pointless meaningless stand offers nothing of value.

By the accounts I have read, the woman is a nutmeg.

The fact that enough people voted for her to win a primary is somewhat scary. It is not, for me, uplifting.


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 5:09:16 AM   
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State to state, race to race, it can and will vary
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How do you reconcile that with your statement about being happy people are "taking stands" earlier in this thread.

A silly pointless meaningless stand offers nothing of value.

By the accounts I have read, the woman is a nutmeg.

The fact that enough people voted for her to win a primary is somewhat scary. It is not, for me, uplifting.



"State to state, race to race, it can and will vary"

The national picture is and often is at contrast with local races. It is, or at least seems apparent that at a national level, people are taking a stand. Elections this year bear that out regardless of who actually makes it to office. The Republicans in Deleware did take a stand. They cast out what was considered an almost certain seat for their philosophy. And in doing so, apparently have given it up to Democrats.

Now I don't know about you, but that is a much greater stand than saying, ok, let's vote the other guy even though we think he's a piece of shit. It's sorta like sacrificing yourself for your beliefs.

You see that as silly and pointless?


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 5:15:57 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		What I see as silly and pointless is the basis for the stand.

Find the tea party platform, such as it is even less believable than " Change you can believe in"

But you have you break some eggs to make mayonnaise.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:03:29 AM   
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Most mainstream GOP pundits believe these Tea Party candidates cannot win in the general election come Nov.


They also said Marco Rubio was unelectable. They picked Crist. Who changed parties when Rubio kicked his ass.
Rubio is up double digits. In a 3-way race.

So much, in my mind, for "mainstream GOP pundits", without even bringing up Miller, and Rand, et al.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:07:12 AM   
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Isn't labeling a large percentage of your own party as not being worthy of calling themselves Republicans dividing the GOP?


Castle was anti-gun, pro-abortion, anti- 0bama0Care repeal. He voted for TARP and stimulus. He no doubt would have voted to break cloture to vote for... Andy Stearn?.... Bill Ayers?... for SCOTUS.

He was not dividing the GOP?????

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:18:42 AM   
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One thing I find immensely offensive however, is how both will use majorities when they have them to ram their agendas down the throats of the public at large


Do you think the Rs did that? There were sooooo many things I expected them to do, and easily could have done; they didn't even try. I think 9/11 was one of the things that derailed much of the R agenda.. but, still; to me they didn't even try.



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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:23:15 AM   
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Now I don't know about you, but that is a much greater stand than saying, ok, let's vote the other guy even though we think he's a piece of shit. It's sorta like sacrificing yourself for your beliefs.


I see it as a gamble.
Losing a cap and tax, pro-TARP, RINO like Castle is a small loss.
The utterly Conservative O'Donnell would be, by comparison, a BIG WIN.

Worth the risk.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:32:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Most mainstream GOP pundits believe these Tea Party candidates cannot win in the general election come Nov.


They also said Marco Rubio was unelectable. They picked Crist. Who changed parties when Rubio kicked his ass.
Rubio is up double digits. In a 3-way race.

So much, in my mind, for "mainstream GOP pundits", without even bringing up Miller, and Rand, et al.


You do understand the difference between the primaries and the general election, don't you? It's perfectly understandable that extremists would get elected in the primaries. The voting laws almost guarantee it, but Independents and party moderates decide the outcome of the generals, not the nuts who voted in the primaries.

Christ is overwhelmingly the favorite of Independents and moderate Republicans. Let the far right elect Rubio. That's a great strategy.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:43:04 AM   
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Christ is overwhelmingly the favorite of Independents and moderate Republicans. Let the far right elect Rubio. That's a great strategy.


What???? As in, wtf???? The last 5 polls on RealClearPolitics have Rubio up anywhere from 2-14%, with the average lead almost 10%. Crist never polls above 34%

So, if you're right, Florida must be sadly lacking in Independents and moderate Republicans.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:44:44 AM   
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 6:58:29 AM   
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She calls herself brainiac, while nobody else does.

Theres your first clue.

I wonder where her brother "brain" is these days.

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Christ is overwhelmingly the favorite of Independents and moderate Republicans. Let the far right elect Rubio. That's a great strategy.


What???? As in, wtf???? The last 5 polls on RealClearPolitics have Rubio up anywhere from 2-14%, with the average lead almost 10%. Crist never polls above 34%

So, if you're right, Florida must be sadly lacking in Independents and moderate Republicans.


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 7:02:48 AM   
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 7:06:03 AM   
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I wonder where her brother "brain" is these days.




I'm guessing he discovered girls.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 7:29:53 AM   
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Christ is overwhelmingly the favorite of Independents and moderate Republicans. Let the far right elect Rubio. That's a great strategy.


What???? As in, wtf???? The last 5 polls on RealClearPolitics have Rubio up anywhere from 2-14%, with the average lead almost 10%. Crist never polls above 34%

So, if you're right, Florida must be sadly lacking in Independents and moderate Republicans.

The bolded statement is exactly right. I went back and looked up the last 5 or 6 polls. All of them show Rubio with a very strong lead among GOP voters, as much as 70%. That is to be expected because he is the GOP candidate. Among Independents, it's pretty evenly split between them, some polls showing Christ with a slight margin, others with Rubio ahead 1 or 2 percentage points. Christ has about 33% of the Democratic vote. In a state that is very conservative and largely Republican, these poll numbers reflect what I said exactly.

It is clear that by these numbers, if there were more Independents in FL, the scales would be tipped in Christ's favor. I have no problem with Rubio winning in a very conservative state. That is to be expected, but don't presume that FL is a litmus for the rest of the country. It is not. Outside FL and a couple of other states, Independents are quickly becoming the majority.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 7:38:44 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		That's some tall tale tellin there, brainiac quality fer sure. You don't even contradict yourself much.

Among Independents, it's pretty evenly split between them.
It is clear that by these numbers, if there were more Independents in FL, the scales would be tipped in Christ's favor


What's clear to me is:

"They also said Marco Rubio was unelectable. They picked Crist. Who changed parties when Rubio kicked his ass.
Rubio is up double digits. In a 3-way race.

So much, in my mind, for "mainstream GOP pundits", without even bringing up Miller, and Rand, et al."


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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 7:59:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		You still don't get it. The GOP strategists - the thinkers of the party - recognize that electing extremists divides the party and helps the Democrats. It makes sense for them to discourage voters from sabatoging their own interests. So the message did not pay off in a highly Republican state like FL. That doesn't mean it was the wrong message. Consider a Rubio win victory if you must. If that same strategy backfires in 5 or 6 or 10 other elections, then how has this helped Conservatives? You are willing to gain one seat and give up 10 for what? Ideology? Principle? I think stupidity. People like you think small. I hope you run for office. You could win a GOP primary.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 9:10:51 AM   
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How does electing leftists with Rs by their name help further conservatism.

So long as leftists are determined to cut the nations throat from ear to ear let them all proudly wear their D. 

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You still don't get it. The GOP strategists - the thinkers of the party - recognize that electing extremists divides the party and helps the Democrats. It makes sense for them to discourage voters from sabatoging their own interests. So the message did not pay off in a highly Republican state like FL. That doesn't mean it was the wrong message. Consider a Rubio win victory if you must. If that same strategy backfires in 5 or 6 or 10 other elections, then how has this helped Conservatives? You are willing to gain one seat and give up 10 for what? Ideology? Principle? I think stupidity. People like you think small. I hope you run for office. You could win a GOP primary.


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 10:56:27 AM   
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You still don't get it. The GOP strategists - the thinkers of the party - recognize that electing extremists divides the party and helps the Democrats. It makes sense for them to discourage voters from sabatoging their own interests. So the message did not pay off in a highly Republican state like FL. That doesn't mean it was the wrong message. Consider a Rubio win victory if you must. If that same strategy backfires in 5 or 6 or 10 other elections, then how has this helped Conservatives? You are willing to gain one seat and give up 10 for what? Ideology? Principle? I think stupidity. People like you think small. I hope you run for office. You could win a GOP primary.


B.S., nothing's going to help the Democrats this time.
Faux news and the other networks are saying that "Independants" (like me) will decide the election. And there's a lot more of us out here than people realize.
Who cares what "party operatives" like Karl Rove or Howard Dean "think?" All Rove did by badmouthing O'Donnell was to get her more publicity and donations. It's not about Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, liberals or anything else, it's about electing people to office who will "LISTEN" to their constituents and do what we tell them to do not "vote the party."
Anyone who is running against a Democrat should have a big poster made up to put on the stage behind them showing all the Democrats jumping to their feet and applauding Mexico's president as he insulted our country, our laws and one of our states!
That's what the Democrats are all about!


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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/16/2010 11:06:30 AM   
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Howie Carr
Rush Limbaugh


I you think a teabagger is gonna get elected and do what you want, you are as fuckin useful as loon shit. 

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