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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:14:48 PM   
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The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me. I can't imagine a man getting close to me with the expressed purpose of manipulating my traumas so that I would become the delivery system for his fetish. It sounds like being a victim again, and has nothing to do with my empowerment. How can being used by someone to live out their sick twisted fantasies be "healing" for a person who has suffered at the hands of another?

Users often will take the most tender spot they can to get what they want from someone, and what you want is a woman who will beat you because you want to be beaten. You are a masochist, basically, but instead of being honest about it, you want to disguise your kink in "helping" someone who has already suffered,

If anything, your vacation from this board makes you sound even more scary than ever... I hope you never get your hands on an actual survivor of abuse so you can inflict even more psychic damage... it seems you are seeking people who start out wounded and are all the more vulnerable to being used by you for your own sexual satisfaction. I would rather have a self admitted edge player than someone who disguised his kink as "therapy"









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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:20:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release.  I'm happy.  The end. 


You wanna bet? I have heard this before. As soon as you scratch the surface of a survivor, you find all the anger and bitterness is still there. It doesn't just disappear. It has to go somewhere.

Plenty of survivors have tried what I suggested and found it helped them a great deal.

Subs are so funny, it is okay for their Doms to inflict pain on them, but it is not okay for them to inflict pain on a masochistic bottom.

You are worried you are going to hurt a masochist bottom my taking your anger out on him? Why do you think they are called masochistic bottoms. Survivors who dont release their anger by channeling it into physical activities like I described tend to be emotionally abusive, and vent their anger at innocent bystanders and those they love. Most subs who dont vent their anger physically tend to be unlovable bitches and shrews, that is why so many of them crave a Dom. Only a Dom can stop them being the true bitch and shrew they really are. They allow their Dom ot put them in their place. They know other males can't stop their bitchy shrewness.




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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:25:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me."

Yes, placing a flogger in the hand of a sub is much more damaging to her than sewing her vagina shut, electrocuting her with a violet wand, sticking needles in her breasts, skewering her breasts with knitting needles, humiliating and degrading her, useing her as a human ash try, fisting her, fucking her in the ass, useing her as a cum recepticle, gang-banging her, pimped her out. Yes, the absolutely worst thing you can do to a sub is put a flogger in her hand. That is the most damaging thing you can do to her. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please tell this to your therapist, and see what he says. Right, I need a lot therapy for saying this. If you believe this and think you are sane, think again!

"The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me."

Anyone who really believes this needs therapy!






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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:25:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release.  I'm happy.  The end. 


You wanna bet? I have heard this before. As soon as you scratch the surface of a survivor, you find all the anger and bitterness is still there. It doesn't just disappear. It has to go somewhere.

Plenty of survivors have tried what I suggested and found it helped them a great deal.

Subs are so funny, it is okay for their Doms to inflict pain on them, but it is not okay for them to inflict pain on a masochistic bottom.

You are worried you are going to hurt a masochist bottom my taking your anger out on him? Why do you think they are called masochistic bottoms. Survivors who dont release their anger by channeling it into physical activities like I described tend to be emotionally abusive, and vent their anger at innocent bystanders and those they love. Most subs who dont vent their anger physically tend to be unlovable bitches and shrews, that is why so many of them crave a Dom. Only a Dom can stop them being the true bitch and shrew they really are. They allow their Dom ot put them in their place. They know other males can't stop their bitchy shrewness.





That is probably the most idiotic thing I've ever read in my five years here.


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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:27:25 PM   
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I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression. I know it is dangerous to the psyche of a sub to take a flogger and release her anger on a bottom, because all subs are emotionally fragile things, but I am wondering if there are any survivors here who think they would be helped by taking out their anger on a male bottom? I've been a little facetious in my wording here. I don't think most subs are emotionally fragile, and I don't think it would hurt a sub to release her anger, but the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way. In any event, I am curious if there are any subs who think they could benefit from this.



In reading your entries it appears to be common that the language used is suppositional toward women who are submissive. Each and every woman is an individual. She is the author of her own destiny and the creator of her personal power by way of the choices SHE decides to make for herself. Autonomy is innate within each woman. If she identifies as submissive this does not exclude her from being capable of demonstrating her strengths while overcoming her human weaknesses. A submissive woman is not a puppet that needs to be controlled while pulling antics that are indicative of total nonsense as you have proposed in your skewed ideology regarding submissive women.

Where you got this foolish notion that is a mere generalized perspective is beyond what I could fathom. It seems to me that it would be rather beneficial to re-consider your thinking when considering a submissive woman. If a submissive woman has survived trauma/abuse then indeed your presented techniques are nothing more than dangerous suggestions lacking any therapeutic value. Perhaps one day you might find that relating is not made up of distortions that can be acted out on a submissive woman so that you can feel a pseudo sense of power. No! Instead if you continue to fail to master yourself then naturally you will continue down a misguided path that will lead you away from the truth of what is required of a man in order to know the heart, mind and soul of a submissive woman.

If you doubt my words then continue as you are and you shall find that the shore you land on will be devoid of that which is reflective of the strength of beauty within a submissive lady deemed special in the eyes of one who is self mastered and able to inspire her to be all she has always been. A wholly complete and assured submissive woman. Now that's beauty!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:29:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release.  I'm happy.  The end. 


You wanna bet? I have heard this before. As soon as you scratch the surface of a survivor, you find all the anger and bitterness is still there. It doesn't just disappear. It has to go somewhere.



Ah, here it is. Hey NV? He knows you better than you know yourself. How does that make you feel? Now think carefully before you answer.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:30:34 PM   
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I suggest a lot of therapy for you. Seriously dude...you need it.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:37:50 PM   
WhipTheHip


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to be honest it sounds like YOU'RE the one with the pent up anger and bitterness. I suggest a lot of therapy for you. Seriously dude...you need it.


Thank you my friend. I will take your words under advisement. NOT! You are right, everytime I have contact with the folks here I need therapy. You can only spend so much time in Wonderland before you lose your mind.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:37:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Most subs who dont vent their anger physically tend to be unlovable bitches and shrews, that is why so many of them crave a Dom. Only a Dom can stop them being the true bitch and shrew they really are. They allow their Dom ot put them in their place. They know other males can't stop their bitchy shrewness.




If you would volunteer to be my masochist bottom..I would try out your theory.  Just sayin....

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:43:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Survivors who dont release their anger by channeling it into physical activities like I described tend to be emotionally abusive, and vent their anger at innocent bystanders and those they love. Most subs who dont vent their anger physically tend to be unlovable bitches and shrews, that is why so many of them crave a Dom. Only a Dom can stop them being the true bitch and shrew they really are. They allow their Dom ot put them in their place. They know other males can't stop their bitchy shrewness.




Other than your own personal experience, do you have any studies or documentation to back up your outlandish claims? What, if any, professional experience do you have in working with survivors of any sort?


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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:49:04 PM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		WhiptheHip, are you even aware that nearly all of your posts today and recently have been all about painting the submissive female survivor (some might say victim) as the villain? Are you even aware of how disturbed this makes you appear?

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:59:27 PM   
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Subs are so funny, it is okay for their Doms to inflict pain on them, but it is not okay for them to inflict pain on a masochistic bottom.


Don't you get it? The submissives that have responded so far DON'T WANNA TOP YOU.... It has nothing to do with it being "okay"... if someone doesn't want to top you, they don't wanna top you... and manipulating them into it using their history of abuse is fucking creepy.


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Yes, placing a flogger in the hand of a sub is much more damaging to her than sewing her vagina shut, electrocuting her with a violet wand, sticking needles in her breasts, skewering her breasts with knitting needles, humiliating and degrading her, useing her as a human ash try, fisting her, fucking her in the ass, useing her as a cum recepticle, gang-banging her, pimped her out. Yes, the absolutely worst thing you can do to a sub is put a flogger in her hand. That is the most damaging thing you can do to her. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please tell this to your therapist, and see what he says. Right, I need a lot therapy for saying this. If you believe this and think you are sane, think again!



Wow, so I get to choose only from a man that would use me as an object to satisfy his fetish by manipulating my history of abuse, or someone who maims me...

Thankfully I choose neither option. I only choose men that are supportive of me, and not seeking to prey upon my traumatic history....

quote:

Anyone who really believes this needs therapy!


Wow, so because I am a sub that doesn't want some psycho fuck using my history to fulfill his fetish, I need therapy...um, here is the deal, I think therapy is best left in the hands of the professionals, and not those who fetishize it... just saying

And btw, people who perform internet diagnosis crack me the fuck up...

You asked what subs thought of your scenario, I answered, if you didn't want the answer, why did you ask?

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:05:27 PM   
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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:09:16 PM   
juliaoceania


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The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release.  I'm happy.  The end. 



Happiness is overrated, imagine, you could be spending your time beating up masochistic dominants, reliving horrific abuse, having a gay old time wallowing in anger, helplessness, alternating with striking some guy who got off on it all... over and over again... until you were a spent empty shell of a person with nothing left to give..

Damn, your missing out, girlfriend!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:14:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why must a survivor come out a victim that needs to hold on to or express anger? That doesn't denote survival to me. Survival is when you come out and can live a happy life as a survivor of being victimized without having to continue to live as a victim holding on to anger or pain.

I've worked with hundreds of survivors or victims of many things, who learned to live to move past it and not one of them, past the same moment in time of their victimization, had to express anger by letting it out on someone else.

I've found that love and helping to teach life tools to happiness and freedom far more effective. I'm no expert or professional, but there are many people who can stand up and tell how my teaching love and life tools has helped them feel better about themselves and life and then move on to actually living it a survivor and no longer a victim with anger and pain.

As a lay person and in the work I've done, I've found the opposite of what the op suggests, is true. I don't need to hide behind an online mask. There are many here I would trust to give my real name to and they could view some of my work and even talk to some who have known my work or worked beside me. Including a couple professionals and news articles with my pictures that would prove I didn't just give someone else's name. I stand by my theory.


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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:32:32 PM   
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Subs are so funny, it is okay for their Doms to inflict pain on them, but it is not okay for them to inflict pain on a masochistic bottom.



Y'know, if you're a masochistic bottom, you should be looking for a Domme, not a female sub.

Leave the female subs to me.  I'll know what to do with 'em.



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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:33:20 PM   
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juliaoceania wrote: "The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me. "

Yes, placing a flogger in the hand of a sub is more damaging than whipping her with a bullwhip, caning her till her body is a mass of black and blue mash, sewing her vagina shut, sticking needles in her breasts, skewering her breasts with knitting needles, using her as a human ashtray, degrading and humiliating her every way humanly possible, using her as cum receptacle, branding her as master's property, play raping her, fucking her in ass, gang-banging her, using her as a sex toy, objectifying her, and pimping her out. All these things are not the least bit damaging to her psyche, but placing a flogger in her hand will permanently damage and utterly destroy her fragile mind. Nothing can be more damaging placing a flogger in the hand of a sub.

It is all right for her Dom to do all these things to her, but it would be immoral for her to release any of her anger on a masochist bottom seeking exactly what she is seeking. LOL!!! De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:34:41 PM   
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This post was censored and removed from the collarme.com message board.



No, it was not. Had we removed it, and someone chose to repost it, they would be considered for moderation. Please take that into account in the future.




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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:35:16 PM   
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Wow. Just, wow.

OP, when people perpetuate abuse, it isn't healing. It is perpetuating the abuse. Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that? If it makes someone feel better to abuse another person, that doesn't mean its a good thing at all. It just means the abuser is messed up, and is continuing the cycle of abuse.



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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 10:46:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release.  I'm happy.  The end. 


You wanna bet? I have heard this before. As soon as you scratch the surface of a survivor, you find all the anger and bitterness is still there. It doesn't just disappear. It has to go somewhere.



Sure I'll bet.  I've been a survivor and I've been through therapy, and my traumas have been processed to where they no longer effect me.  No bitterness here. My life focuses on positive things.

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Plenty of survivors have tried what I suggested and found it helped them a great deal.


I'm not talking about others.  I was talking about me.

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Subs are so funny, it is okay for their Doms to inflict pain on them, but it is not okay for them to inflict pain on a masochistic bottom.

You are worried you are going to hurt a masochist bottom my taking your anger out on him? Why do you think they are called masochistic bottoms. Survivors who dont release their anger by channeling it into physical activities like I described tend to be emotionally abusive, and vent their anger at innocent bystanders and those they love. Most subs who dont vent their anger physically tend to be unlovable bitches and shrews, that is why so many of them crave a Dom. Only a Dom can stop them being the true bitch and shrew they really are. They allow their Dom ot put them in their place. They know other males can't stop their bitchy shrewness.


You don't understand a lot, it seems.

And please do not Cmail me posts of yours that have been deleted.  I'm not interested.

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