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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:06:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		This headline could just as easily read, "Republicans block amnesty bill."



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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:12:13 PM   
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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:21:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		ROFL... blaming the Republicans. This could be handled by executive order. But hey why blame the man who could end it with a stroke of pen when you have those "evil" Republicans to lay the blame on.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:36:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The real reason it didn't pass is because they attached the DREAM Act, which is another  amnesty plan designed to encourage more amnesties, to this military funding bill. Harry Reid is a despicable sob to attach this to a bill that funds our troops. You can't get much lower than that. The DREAM Act is only the dream of Illegal aliens, not the vast majority of legal citizens. It's an absolute nightmare for legal citizens, since it keeps this insane cycle going of undercutting legal businesses who operate legally with legal help. It also funds their college education which is something that most of our citizens can't get, and must take out loans. If we don't stop Illegal immigration now, 10 years from now they will demand another amnesty. It will never end unless we end it now. Unlike what liberals think, no one has a right to demand citizenship who arrived here illegally. It always amazes me how people around the world think this country belongs to the world. They always use the argument that this is a nation of immigrants, but they easily forget that most of America is now made up of natural born citizens. I didn't arrive as an immigrant, and I am not an immigrant. Therefore, we do have the right to decide when enough is enough.

As far as the issues goes about gays in the military. I think this is a critical time, and we've got a lot of money invested in training and in experience. Now, is not the time to take a chance on losing battle hardened troops to failure to reenlist because they may not want to trust their lives to someone who would rather suck the enemie's dick than fight them.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:40:11 PM   
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ROFL... blaming the Republicans. This could be handled by executive order. But hey why blame the man who could end it with a stroke of pen when you have those "evil" Republicans to lay the blame on.


Why do I have a sense of deja vu?

Could it be because we have a new sock puppet in our midst?

Executive orders cannot override Congressional legislation.

Remember that whole separation of powers thing?

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:40:35 PM   
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How do you get amnesty from the Dream Act?



Does it let people who are here in contravention of our immigration laws stay, Tazzy?



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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:40:37 PM   
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ROFL... blaming the Republicans. This could be handled by executive order. But hey why blame the man who could end it with a stroke of pen when you have those "evil" Republicans to lay the blame on.

Actually it can't be. The UCMJ makes sodomy a crime and DADT is federal law. Congress has to repeal those laws to allow gays to serve.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:44:17 PM   
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How do you get amnesty from the Dream Act?



Does it let people who are here in contravention of our immigration laws stay, Tazzy?





The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (The "DREAM Act") is a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that was introduced in the United States Senate, and the United States House of Representatives on March 26, 2009. This bill would provide certain inadmissible or deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. as minors, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency. The alien students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge."[1] "Any alien whose permanent resident status is terminated [according to the terms of the Act] shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior to receiving conditional permanent resident status under this Act." [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

Look to the bolded part then answer your own question.... Did they have a choice?

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Btw, if you were really informed, you would have known what the Dream Act is. It's a plan to fund Illegal aliens college education, and allow them in the military, then reward them with citizenship once they serve their enlistment or graduate. I don't know the details but that's it in a nutshell. It is another amnesty. It's been voted down two times before, and democrats continue to use it to pander to the Hispanic vote.

If the democrats could win one election without having to buy some splinter group off with special favors, then I would be impressed.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:47:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		There you go, this is how liberals operate these days. They give it a great sounding name, and half the citizens don't even know what the consequences are. It is not the dream of the vast majority of Americans to pay for a college education for Illegal aliens. Last time i checked, they had colleges in Mexico. They also had hospitals so why should we have to pay for their education and hospital bills?

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:49:55 PM   
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Now, is not the time to take a chance on losing battle hardened troops to failure to reenlist because they may not want to trust their lives to someone who would rather suck the enemie's dick than fight them.



I actually started to respond to your post until I read this.





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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 8:53:06 PM   
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Btw, if you were really informed, you would have known what the Dream Act is. It's a plan to fund Illegal aliens college education, and allow them in the military, then reward them with citizenship once they serve their enlistment or graduate. I don't know the details but that's it in a nutshell. It is another amnesty. It's been voted down two times before, and democrats continue to use it to pander to the Hispanic vote.

If the democrats could win one election without having to buy some splinter group off with special favors, then I would be impressed.




You cannot be that delusional!

The Dream Act does not in any way, shape or form fund any part of a college education. People like you are what turned me off the conservative movement in the first place. You manufacture reasons (LIE) to be against something.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:02:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right, Tazzy. The bit you bolded. Choice is irrelevant. A conditional (hah!) amnesty "for the children" is still an amnesty.

Not that I'm opposed to all sorts of amnesty, mind you, but let's call a spade a fucking shovel when the dumbasses get confused, ok? And an issue this big and loaded has no business riding on a defense bill's back.



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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:05:26 PM   
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You and I...like it or not...must understand they, the Republicans, are representing the wishes of their supporters. So putting the blame on their shoulders is wrong. The blame lies with the American people as a whole who are still prejudice towards homosexuals...and this includes all political parties.

Butch


Is that right?

Poll: 78 percent favor repealing 'Don't ask, don't tell'




Why is it some polls you like and others are bullshit... I've lots of silly polls you will not agree with...I don't always believe polls do you? If you do you are a guppy. It was a very small percentage of the population that does nothing to change reality

Reality speaks in many ways when it comes to discrimination towards gays. Are you going to deny there is discrimination? I'd bet my paycheck that the majority of men in America are dead against gays in the military...Men in the military an even higher percentage...Do you disagree there as well? Find some more polls on that if you can.

I'll also bet this... there are just as many Democratic men as Republican men dead against gays in the military.

Now I am not talking right or wrong or even proof... it is just my experience and knowing my friends and being a long time military man that forms a damn good idea of the real thinking on gays.

So my bottom line is it is just my opinion...but I'll bet it is more accurate than your poll.

Butch

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:19:56 PM   
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Poll: 78 percent favor repealing 'Don't ask, don't tell'




Why is it some polls you like and others are bullshit... I've lots of silly polls you will not agree with...I don't always believe polls do you? If you do you are a guppy. It was a very small percentage of the population that does nothing to change reality

Reality speaks in many ways when it comes to discrimination towards gays. Are you going to deny there is discrimination? I'd bet my paycheck that the majority of men in America are dead against gays in the military...Men in the military an even higher percentage...Do you disagree there as well? Find some more polls on that if you can.

I'll also bet this... there are just as many Democratic men as Republican men dead against gays in the military.

Now I am not talking right or wrong or even proof... it is just my experience and knowing my friends and being a long time military man that forms a damn good idea of the real thinking on gays.

So my bottom line is it is just my opinion...but I'll bet it is more accurate than your poll.

Butch


Uh, okay.

Your opinion trumps opinion polls because...............well.......uh .....hmm..................what was that reason again?

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:30:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		RML, I am ex military, 175th Rangers, and I am against dont ask dont tell. Considering that ALL of our allies allow openly gay and lesbians to serve in their military forces with NO problems should say something.

Of course, that means that either 1) these countries are having discipline problems and are hushing it up, or 2) it means that it doesnt matter which way you swing, you can still die for your country.

The Thebans had one such regiment as the core of their entire army. They attributed this group called the Sacred Band of Thebes for making Thebes the most powerful city-state for a generation until its fall to Philip II of Macedon. Philip II of Macedon was so impressed with their bravery during the battle he erected a monument that still stands today on their gravesite. He also gave a harsh criticism of the Spartan views of the band:

Perish miserably they who think that these men did or suffered aught disgraceful.


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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:38:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK remember this little post the next time you don't agree with a poll... I'll hold you to it....

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 9:43:53 PM   
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OK remember this little post the next time you don't agree with a poll... I'll hold you to it....

Butch



The thing is it is not just one poll.

In every poll you can find the vast majority are for repeal of DADT.

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 10:00:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did a search rule and you are right... poll after poll supports yours. I hope this time they are right but again I'll bet the Republicans have figured the polls are lip service and the real feelings lie with their position...just remember gay marriage and what happened in that election.

I still think the military as a whole and the majority of men do not favor gays in the military but i can't find any polls for only men.. So just understand I am going only on my experience and the people i know to make a contrary opinion.

Polls as we know don't always describe reality...BUT I do hope i am wrong.

Butch

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RE: Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban - 9/21/2010 11:08:22 PM   
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Btw, if you were really informed, you would have known what the Dream Act is. It's a plan to fund Illegal aliens college education, and allow them in the military, then reward them with citizenship once they serve their enlistment or graduate. I don't know the details but that's it in a nutshell. It is another amnesty. It's been voted down two times before, and democrats continue to use it to pander to the Hispanic vote.

If the democrats could win one election without having to buy some splinter group off with special favors, then I would be impressed.




You cannot be that delusional!

The Dream Act does not in any way, shape or form fund any part of a college education. People like you are what turned me off the conservative movement in the first place. You manufacture reasons (LIE) to be against something.



JLF, so then they'd walk into college admissions with cash or checks for $50,000 that they "saved"?

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