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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 1:26:33 PM   
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Back is '78, if you were working in the scenery shop, you had to clean it at the end of the day.  Usually that meant at least 2 people were using push brooms.  I had classmates who had no idea how to use a push broom.  When I was a kid, we'd use a push broom in my grandmother's garage for fun.  (What can ya say, it was a novelty, like roller skating in her garage.  At the time we lived in the country.) 

We also tried to get the old-school water pump going.  It had a dried out seal so you had to pump the living shit out of it to get it primed.

I think we were mowing the lawns (ours and the old folks lawn across the road as part of the rent) around age 9 or 10, and were working in the garden around age 7.  Nonetheless, I paid to have someone take care of the lawn when I lived in NY.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 1:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that this is all just over-rated.  I am reminded of those tests that get forwarded through Internet mail.

A different skill set for a generation does not make someone an idiot. 

A 15-year old may not know how to pop out ice from a tray, but they do know where to get the information for doing it. 

Not coming across something before does not make him a moron.  How many of us go to the ice house and dig the ice out of sawdust? 

Frankly I am much more concerned about the lack of literacy than I am about then and now skill sets.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 4:34:10 PM   
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I think that this is all just over-rated.  I am reminded of those tests that get forwarded through Internet mail.

A different skill set for a generation does not make someone an idiot. 

A 15-year old may not know how to pop out ice from a tray, but they do know where to get the information for doing it. 

Not coming across something before does not make him a moron.  How many of us go to the ice house and dig the ice out of sawdust? 

Frankly I am much more concerned about the lack of literacy than I am about then and now skill sets.



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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 5:53:22 PM   
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 6:25:45 PM   
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Or an 8 track tape player.

or an electric type writer with self correction.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 7:52:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it would be fun to reconstruct a sawdust ice storage shed.  It would be perfect for power outages in the summer!

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 11:27:03 PM   
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I miss the lever kind.. at least teh ice always came out! The plastic ones seemed to alway leave one or two cubes stuck in them.

Yeah, isn't that weird? I've been using ice cube trays for a while since I've been laid up, and my fridge has a leak in the water line.

I picked up a new boarder who didn't know one is not supposed to put cast iron in a dishwasher. I had to re-season the damn thing.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 11:27:49 PM   
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 11:33:01 PM   
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GAH!! I feel for you!!
Hell, it's even worse than that. I seriously wonder how he manages to tie his shoes. I'm looking forward to getting my foot healed, and being able to take care of my lawn and garden again, instead of having to rely on someone who could not figure out how to use a dethatching rake. Fuck....

Having a Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout now...


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 11:34:34 PM   
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/3/2010 11:54:47 PM   
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How many of you that can use that wonderful little ice cube tray and that can opener thing magiggy, Can wire your house completely on a home network set up wireless encryption that runs well on several different operating systems that only allow one type of encryption or another....... or type at 90 words or more a minute while having your head turned?

How many of you knew how to tie your shoes the first time you EVER put them on and had to tie them.

Sure we have push buttons to get ice in most freezers, and we have easy pop tops on most cans and *crys sarcastically* they didnt....it doesnt make us stupid....

Each generation adapts to the technology at hand, Sure our smart phones make it easy for us to access google and do that awesomeness google does. But someone still has to load those webpages and those domains on google..... is that YOUR generation thats doing that or us nincompoops?

Oh thats right, those poor kids who cant pop ice out of ice trays and didnt know to not put a special piece of metal in the dishwasher, will be the people netting millions of dollars a year.. The person who invented facebook didnt know how to use a can opener.... hes worth over 2 BILLION dollars...... Why because its not necessary to know how to pop out ice, its a dead skill set, 9/10 fridges have push buttons to make ice,


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:06:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, this hit close to home in more ways than one. I hate what technology is doing to people around us and particularly the young ones.

But it's not just the young. I mean, ask yourself, does ANYONE know how to set up a time and place to meet today without making twenty calls and sending thirty texts? GPS units make map reading an ancient art.

It's gonna suck is theres some sort of natural disaster or third world war that obliterates the religion of tech and everyone has to go back to the manual way.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:43:58 AM   
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:56:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I work in an area that relies mainly on computers to do our job.  We have all these cool bells and whistles...you should hear the bitching, whining and complaining that goes on when the system is being taken out of service for upgrades.  And heaven forbid that it crashes!  I can remember doing my job when you used run cards and hand written, yes, hand written, radio logs.  Things have changed alot, there is too much reliance on the technology.....very few people can read one of those street map books anymore....the ones where you have to turn pages to map out a complete route.....let alone a plain old map. 

And Rosa, yep, I do know how to set meetings up!  One call or IM or e-mail, and it's done.  I hate my cell, it's a necessary evil, so I have it.  Half the time, the battery's dead, the othe half I have no idea where it is and have to call it just to locate it. 

Another quick story.....the first foray into the Internet for me was done on a Web-TV unit.....my son came over after I got it, he had homework to do, and couldn't get on to a computer at school.  I was showing him how to work it, and he's looking all around the TV stand for something.  I asked him what he was looking for, he replied "where is the printer?"  I handed him his notebook and pen and said "right here!  This is how we did it in the Stone Age!"  He rolled his eyes and whined "Mooo-ooom!"

And I don't think kids are any dumber than adults are...trust me, after having dealt with the public for 20 years in my job, and hearing the absolutely moronic questions I get from ADULTS, I often wonder how a lot of people function in their every day life.  Kids today are just a product of a high tech environment.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:00:39 AM   
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Okay, since Im of the generation of apparent nincompoops...
Not going there...

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How many of you that can use that wonderful little ice cube tray and that can opener thing magiggy, Can wire your house completely on a home network set up wireless encryption that runs well on several different operating systems that only allow one type of encryption or another.....
Do you know how to write a Fortran program?

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Oh thats right, those poor kids who cant pop ice out of ice trays and didnt know to not put a special piece of metal in the dishwasher, will be the people netting millions of dollars a year..
Cast Iron is a "special piece of metal"? Okey-dokey.
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The person who invented facebook didnt know how to use a can opener.... hes worth over 2 BILLION dollars...... Why because its not necessary to know how to pop out ice, its a dead skill set, 9/10 fridges have push buttons to make ice,

How do you know the guy didn't know how to use a can opener? (BTW, I feel sad for you if you eat out of cans) What does wealth have to do with figuring out how to use a can opener? What will you do when you want ice, and you press the button and nothing happens? Try and trouble shoot the problem, or sit in front of your computer, with its multiple operating systems, fapping over encryption keys while you're waiting for the repairman?


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:05:07 AM   
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:12:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do what apparently according to generation that fucked up america rather wonderfully (GO SMART BABY BOOMERS who can use ice cube trays and can openers........)  my generation cant, I fix it. I go on my smart phone, and i look up my fridges owners manual, and I fix why it didnt give me ice.....

The point is stupid people tend to not be able to be sucessful in life because they are stupid. People who dont know how to use a can opener can net millions of dollars, because their intelligence lies somewhere other... then using a can opener....

Second..... Cast Iron skillets are made differently they are called cast iron because a) the way they are cast (seriously and Im the stupid generation) b) the metal quality/content. and C) how they are washed. ( by the way is Just fucking GRODIE......) So Yes Cast Iron anything is much different then the pan you bought at walmart. there for "special"


and finally Our generation uses technology, yes your generation or some very smart members of your generation might have made, but many of your generation cant grasp....

I should put out the lecture of the lack of intelligence of the older generations every time im asked to defrag a hard drive, or program a remote, or  change the cartridge in the printer because they cant seem to grasp something THAT SIMPLE I mean you click a few buttons, If you grasped the can opener... why is clicking a few buttons SO hard?


the point is, You can do shit I cant.... I can do shit you cant.... instead of degrading OUR generation for your "special skill knowledge that we dont seem to have" realize we have knowledge you dont, and we think that your just as stupid for not knowing how to defrag your hard drive or install a printer.


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:23:01 AM   
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A 15-year old may not know how to pop out ice from a tray, but they do know where to get the information for doing it. 

And here, I think, is the salient point. It's quite simple to go and look up the answer to a problem. It's another thing entirely to acquire the skills necessary to solve problems without having to look up answers. For example, in our subdivison newsletter a while back, there was an ad by a plumber which offered a discount for replacing toilets. The ad suggested that a toilet which ran constantly was worn out, and needed replacement. A problem-solver, without any prior knowledge of how toilets worked, could look at a toilet and see that the main part of the toilet was in two parts: the tank and the bowl. Both of those are ceramic, and CANNOT wear out. A casual examination of the innards would show that there is a mechanism which flushes and then refills the bowl. It does that by means of a lever, which opens the flapper valve at the bottom of the tank, after which the fill valve fills the bowl, which is stopped by means of a float which turns the fill valve off. A person who has been taught that he can solve problems by observation has no need of a plumber to fix his toilet. A person who has been taught that he needs to look everything up would be baffled by the toilet, and would call the plumber.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across, but it's the best I can do right now, with precious little sleep, and a quantity of oxycodone in my system sufficient to kill some fairly severe pain.


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:25:40 AM   
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And here, I think, is the salient point. It's quite simple to go and look up the answer to a problem. It's another thing entirely to acquire the skills necessary to solve problems without having to look up answers..



But your generation didnt do problem solving, your generation got the information from your parents, people learned how to tie their shoes from being shown, so why is someone looking up the answer any worse then your mom sitting you down in your big boy panties and teaching you to tie your shoes,


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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:37:53 AM   
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SR:Second..... Cast Iron skillets are made differently they are called cast iron because a) the way they are cast (seriously and Im the stupid generation) b) the metal quality/content. and C) how they are washed. ( by the way is Just fucking GRODIE......) So Yes Cast Iron anything is much different then the pan you bought at walmart. there for "special"
No, they are called cast iron BECAUSE they are CAST, rather than WROUGHT. How they are washed has nothing to do with how they are made. Wallyworld sells cast iron. Once properly seasoned, it outperforms teflon. People have been using cast iron for centuries. Nothing "special" about it. I don't know what "grodie" means.

Seriously, I thought you knew how to look all this shit up. Seriously.

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