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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:42:21 AM

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See, older people would know exactly what I meant when I said I don't know how X manages to tie his shoes. I reckon it was a mistake assuming you kids would know as well. And here I thought you youngsters knew everything! Wow, was I ever wrong.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:45:10 AM

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No, they are called cast iron BECAUSE they are CAST, rather than WROUGHT. How they are washed has nothing to do with how they are made. Wallyworld sells cast iron. Once properly seasoned, it outperforms teflon. People have been using cast iron for centuries. Nothing "special" about it. I don't know what "grodie" means.

Seriously, I thought you knew how to look all this shit up. Seriously.

Actually since most wally world pans are made of a mixture of steel and iron and aluminum, their content IS different then a cast iron product, because the content is mostly iron....... The way they are made IS different then "regular pans" Why because they are CAST instead of WROUGT... there for thank you for proving my point.

And grodie means disgusting, because seriously giving yourself mold and various other nasty bacteria is just not at all appeasing......

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:59:12 AM

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No, they are called cast iron BECAUSE they are CAST, rather than WROUGHT. How they are washed has nothing to do with how they are made. Wallyworld sells cast iron. Once properly seasoned, it outperforms teflon. People have been using cast iron for centuries. Nothing "special" about it. I don't know what "grodie" means.

Seriously, I thought you knew how to look all this shit up. Seriously.

Actually since most wally world pans are made of a mixture of steel and iron and aluminum, their content IS different then a cast iron product, because the content is mostly iron....... The way they are made IS different then "regular pans" Why because they are CAST instead of WROUGT... there for thank you for proving my point.

And grodie means disgusting, because seriously giving yourself mold and various other nasty bacteria is just not at all appeasing......]/quote]

How do you know what Wallyworld's cast iron skillets are made of? Have you tested the metal? You know, have you taken some shavings, dissolved them, and then run them through an ICP-AE spectrometer? How do you know how "regular" pots and pans are made? How do you know they aren't cast as well? How do you know what they are made of? Where does one find steel with aluminum in it? Where does one find pans with steel and aluminum in with the iron?

How would one give mold and bacteria to one's self? BTW, I agree with you about not being appeased by mold and bacteria. Grodie, man.

Seriously?

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 3:01:21 AM

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The same way you know cast iron means cast not wrought.....I sought out the information....... and cast iron to be seasoned means to not wash it inbetween useings which is grodie

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 3:17:43 AM

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SEASONED means WASHING, but by hand, no abrasive scrubbing, and heat dried.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 3:48:55 AM

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The same way you know cast iron means cast not wrought.....I sought out the information....... and cast iron to be seasoned means to not wash it inbetween useings which is grodie

It is cleaned by the simple expedient of wiping it clean and then getting it so hot nothing could possibly still be alive. I'm the proud owner of my grandmother's cast iron skillet which is at least 70 years old and slicker than any non stick pan I've ever seen. I've eaten literally thousands of corn breads made in it and never gotten sick once.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 4:35:37 AM

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Spirit, this is just a quick observation, but hon, lighten up....you seem to have taken this thread rather personally, from the opening line of your first post.

Each generation has it's differences, whether they be from their upbringing, their environment or outside influences. In a perfect world the younger generation would be taught things by the older generation, however, there are so many ways that the familes of today are so different from the familes of the past generations. Personally, I grew up rather self sufficient due to the working parents. I was doing my own laundry at 12, starting dinner at 13, and then there were the chores. We sat down at a dinner table, and actually ate dinner as a family. Nowadays, it seems like my friend's families just pass like ships in the night running from one activity to another, school, sports, work. Everyone is trying to cram in so many activities, that family time is an urban myth anymore!

I taught my son things about getting along by himself. He can do laundry, cook his own meals, clean up after himself....well, as well as any 25 year old can....I told him that just because he would have a girlfriend or wife, that was not an open invitation to not help around the house. And he does help his fiancee around the house, she works practically full time and goes to school at the same time, so she has days just as long as he does (he works on a dairy farm). Of course, Angel isn't going to pick up after him anymore than I would.

And just a note, my Dad has a perfectly seasoned cast iron Dutch oven that I've already laid claim to.......

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 4:49:21 AM

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I can change the cartridge in the printer but I seem to have difficulty opening that little door. So yes, I hand it to my son as I do the cell phone for identifying strange icons or fixing problems. And he set the previous computer at age ten, everything except the email for which I borrowed his best friend's older brother who at 13 could do that.

Half the things that go wrong here, we look up directions on how to repair. I have all the manuals but seeing a youtube of someone dropping a transmission or changing the solenoid in the washer is better. Not as good as being shown in person however but far better than just reading the instructions. So HK, instead of complaining about the younger generation not knowing how to use a dethatching rake, why not explain it to him?

As I recall my kids learned to tie shoes with the help of this.
http://www.amazon.com/Tie-Bow-Bunny-Step-Step/dp/0590871889

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 5:23:43 AM

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Okay, since Im of the generation of apparent nincompoops...

How many of you that can use that wonderful little ice cube tray and that can opener thing magiggy, Can wire your house completely on a home network set up wireless encryption that runs well on several different operating systems that only allow one type of encryption or another....... or type at 90 words or more a minute while having your head turned?

I cant. But i can wire a house. Can you?

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How many of you knew how to tie your shoes the first time you EVER put them on and had to tie them.

I have fond memories at being taught how to tie my shoes at age 5.

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Sure we have push buttons to get ice in most freezers, and we have easy pop tops on most cans and *crys sarcastically* they didnt....it doesnt make us stupid....

Each generation adapts to the technology at hand, Sure our smart phones make it easy for us to access google and do that awesomeness google does. But someone still has to load those webpages and those domains on google..... is that YOUR generation thats doing that or us nincompoops?

Oh thats right, those poor kids who cant pop ice out of ice trays and didnt know to not put a special piece of metal in the dishwasher, will be the people netting millions of dollars a year.. The person who invented facebook didnt know how to use a can opener.... hes worth over 2 BILLION dollars...... Why because its not necessary to know how to pop out ice, its a dead skill set, 9/10 fridges have push buttons to make ice,

I totally agree that when it comes to technology your generation knows all the bells and whistles. But when it comes to common sense approaches to situations... i worry.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 5:32:05 AM

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Do you know how to write a Fortran program?

LOL.. i can.. and cobalt too!

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 5:39:26 AM

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Second..... Cast Iron skillets are made differently they are called cast iron because a) the way they are cast (seriously and Im the stupid generation) b) the metal quality/content. and C) how they are washed. ( by the way is Just fucking GRODIE......) So Yes Cast Iron anything is much different then the pan you bought at walmart. there for "special"

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The same way you know cast iron means cast not wrought.....I sought out the information....... and cast iron to be seasoned means to not wash it inbetween useings which is grodie

Cast Iron skillets are cleaned the way most restaurants clean their pans...

1.While skillet is still hot from cooking, put boiling water in skillet and pour out water while scrubbing with a cloth, nylon scrubby, or other very mild scrubbing tool.

2.Boil water in it. Use a wooden spoon or similar to scrub gunk with a clean (no soap) cloth. Pour out.

3.Rinse the skillet with very hot water to remove any food residue left over from cooking. Then sprinkle salt into the skillet and scrub with a paper towel or clean cloth. When finished pour out the salt.

4.Scrub pan with cooking oil and salt, using a paper towel or clean cloth.

5.Remember to wipe the pan with a very light coating of oil or grease before storing the pan.

http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-a-Cast-Iron-Skillet

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 9:43:53 AM

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I totally agree that when it comes to technology your generation knows all the bells and whistles. But when it comes to common sense approaches to situations... i worry.

I'm right there with ya tazzy....not only do I worry, but sometimes, I'm scared! These are the folks who will be running things down the line. Book smarts versus street smarts.....gimme the street smarts every time!

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 10:42:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP Half the things that go wrong here, we look up directions on how to repair. I have all the manuals but seeing a youtube of someone dropping a transmission or changing the solenoid in the washer is better. Not as good as being shown in person however but far better than just reading the instructions.

I learn best with visual aids.

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So HK, instead of complaining about the younger generation not knowing how to use a dethatching rake, why not explain it to him?

The dude's 45 years old, he's got two late-teen kids, he's owned a house, and he claims to have done much of the cooking and cleaning. I just expected him to know some very basic shit. I mean, most people know that water + iron = rust, right?

And after explaining that the point of dethatching (besides cleaning up the lawn) is to allow the seed to contact dirt so it can root when it's overseeded in a couple weeks, the concept still seemed to elude him. It's not rocket surgery, yanno.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 10:58:32 AM

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Do you know how to write a Fortran program?

LOL.. i can.. and cobalt too!

>SNORT< My point, which evidently eluded her, was that being able to encrypt her house in multiple OS's is probably not a skillset which she will be able to use for the rest of her life. Technology changes. At one point, eons ago, I fixed a couple 8-track tapes that tried to self-destruct. That's a really useful skill today. Hell, that and 50 cents will buy me a 4 dollar cup of coffee that's only worth a quarter.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:07:05 PM

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Just for the record HK, not only do I not know how to use a dethatching rake, I con't even know what the heck one looks like! Or, I might have seen one, but never knew it's "official" name......a rake is a rake is a rake.......

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:24:38 PM

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Just for the record HK, not only do I not know how to use a dethatching rake, I con't even know what the heck one looks like! Or, I might have seen one, but never knew it's "official" name......a rake is a rake is a rake.......

I didn't know what one was, either, until I decided there had to be a better way than using a regular garden rake. Si I investigated, and found this one...
http://www.amazon.com/Ames-True-Temper-1914000-Adjustable/dp/B00004S1RW?&camp=212361&creative=383957&linkCode=waf&tag=liquidaeration-20

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:25:35 PM

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A 15-year old may not know how to pop out ice from a tray, but they do know where to get the information for doing it.

And here, I think, is the salient point. It's quite simple to go and look up the answer to a problem. It's another thing entirely to acquire the skills necessary to solve problems without having to look up answers. For example, in our subdivison newsletter a while back, there was an ad by a plumber which offered a discount for replacing toilets. The ad suggested that a toilet which ran constantly was worn out, and needed replacement. A problem-solver, without any prior knowledge of how toilets worked, could look at a toilet and see that the main part of the toilet was in two parts: the tank and the bowl. Both of those are ceramic, and CANNOT wear out. A casual examination of the innards would show that there is a mechanism which flushes and then refills the bowl. It does that by means of a lever, which opens the flapper valve at the bottom of the tank, after which the fill valve fills the bowl, which is stopped by means of a float which turns the fill valve off. A person who has been taught that he can solve problems by observation has no need of a plumber to fix his toilet. A person who has been taught that he needs to look everything up would be baffled by the toilet, and would call the plumber.

I'm not sure I'm getting my point across, but it's the best I can do right now, with precious little sleep, and a quantity of oxycodone in my system sufficient to kill some fairly severe pain.

You fail here because the 15 year old with the ice tray has never seen one. He, hopefully, has seen a toilet. Although why would I know plumbing principals for fixing a toilet? (Which is actually something that I have done)

I am laughing a lot at the thought of cast iron skillets being a "special" thing.

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 12:38:26 PM

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Are we raising a generation of nincompoops?http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/09/27/are_we_raising_a_generation_of_nincompoops/

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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 1:08:51 PM

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.....I have fond memories at being taught how to tie my shoes at age 5....

My memory of that is not so fond.

To the subject at hand.... Each generation has to gripe about the others, it's just the order of things. I like being able to ask my nieces and nephews techie stuff. I like being able to inform them of things they want to know. And so it goes...

And speaking of competencies,

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
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RE: Are we raising a generation of nincompoops? - 10/4/2010 2:36:53 PM

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Well i'm 24, in my day they had many cartoons both educational and other educational in another way.

Other than sesame street and zoom which taught basic educational things I would also look at batman TAS and X-Men The Animated series, those two were my favorite for a good reason. It wasn't just seeing batman beat up the villain or all the cool powers the x-men had it was the subject matter, it wasn't dumbed down for us kids. Batman dealt with subject matter that is beyond some kids, death, justice, various mental instabilities, it was a very dramatic show. While that show help shape my thinking on some subjects x-men taught a good deal of things from religious tolerance to race relations.

One episode in particular had nightcrawler, a demonic looking teleporting mutant who just so happened to be a devout catholic and they didn't shy away from this. He would freely talk about his faith in god, how it lead him to have tolerance for those who hate him and not to be angry at them. He encourages wolverine, who has a stance against god being a pariah because of what he is he feels god has given up on him, to read the bible and find comfort in the love of god. At the end they show wolverine actually reading Isaiah 12:2 in a church...

This sort of subject matter would NEVER be shown on tv for kids these days, now granted i'm just going with one thing that helped shape me into the person I am today but it is a good example. Cartoons don't even say any form of the word dead anymore, death, dying, kill, killed, not any of them...little things like that I think are making kids idiots.

Well I went off on quite the rant there...

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