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LadyRian -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 6:00:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

Feel free to peruse my profile and tell me exactly what I said in it that prompted some dude to send a cmail out of the blue saying that I have the body of an out of shape 50 year old and a face like 10 miles of bad road. I'd really love to know.



Does that mean that I can get that face and body at a discount!?!?!?!?  [sm=yahoo.gif][sm=yahoo.gif][sm=yahoo.gif]



NO! It means you'll pay a higher premium, because it's so unusual. Everybody here is a supermodel, masquerading as an ordinary human being. I thought everybody knew that? !?!?!






Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 7:34:36 AM)

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She wasn't saying that it is the same, just making an analogy.
Her statement had to do with the attitude that those of us who posted about getting abusive mail are either lying or must be bringing it on ourselves via our profiles or cmail replies. I can't imagine what gave her that idea:

Yeah and as usual someone feels the need the power of some horrible happening to bolster their claims as if they are so put upon..I was right to say what I said. It's a sign of someone who is overly-dramatic and has a tendency to over-react...You probably wouldn't see that because your hellbent on proving something here with me. It's cool..I have plenty of time and tons of energy.

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Feel free to peruse my profile and tell me exactly what I said in it that prompted some dude to send a cmail out of the blue saying that I have the body of an out of shape 50 year old and a face like 10 miles of bad road. I'd really love to know.

Actually I see hints of the same attitude I see from you most days but no he didn't have a reason to do that. It was definitely rude of him. I still don't see a need to hide away from life. I use to get a good bit of scam mail but you don't see me running for the hills. Sure it's not trying to get personal with me but I wouldn't take it personal if it did...Much like I don't take it personal when people like you have tried to make it that way in the past on these forums. Much like you guys do when you don't like someones initial post or you think some person is a jerk for what they say. I have enough self confidence to know the things people say about me aren't always true.

How many of those do you get anyway? I'm betting not that many.

Who knows too..Maybe it was some person that saw you on the forum who didn't like what you had to say and wanted to get back at you.

The end result to all of this for me is words can't hurt if you don't allow them too..Your ultimately responsible for how you feel.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 7:47:26 AM)

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I've actually found it rather funny that Icarys and Sam apparently either didn't notice my post or chose to ignore it, since it is proof right there of the crazy crap emails us girls get. Too bad neither of them are apparently going to comment on it.

I have made a statement about emails like that..They are rude..What's your point by showing it? That you do in fact get them? If you take the time to read all of the thread instead of jumping into the party unawares..You might have seen that.

You've already shown me that you have a tendency to be petty by your post on another thread..That's a red flag to me.

With that attitude I'd say it's no wonder your getting your share of them.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 8:01:05 AM)

I often hide my profile, not because I care about the rude emails I get (and I've had a LOT of rude unsolicited emails.) Usually, I hide my profile because despite clearly stating in my profile that I'm not available and not looking and I won't respond to any email unless it comes from someone I interact with on the forums - I still feel guilty for not responding when people ignore my wishes and write me anyway. Yes, I'm aware that's irrational. Yes, sometimes I'm just hiding away from the world. Sometimes I don't feel like dealing with people via email.

I used to get the random rude email fairly often. The first one did rather shock me, and gave me that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as if I'd personally done something wrong to deserve an email like that. I got over it, and each unsolicited rude email I've received since just made it easier to dismiss. Still, they aren't pleasant, and they certainly don't make my day.

It disheartens me to see rudeness in general. Doesn't really matter if it comes in the form of an unsolicited email or a response to someone's post. I don't expect everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but I find courtesy to be much more appealing.

WinD






poise -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 8:01:47 AM)

What this thread really needs is a group hug! [image]http://smilies-gifs.com/abrazos/9abrazos.gif[/image]
If this offends anyone, feel free to email me!




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 8:37:11 AM)

I agree Winsome, that's why I'm going to lay off people at least for a while..I had good intentions when starting this little "life experiment" of my own months ago as I still do but those that got anything would have probably done so already..Those that haven't probably won't.


You have people that can control themselves and those who can't..Not sure if those who can't would have learned to at any cost of time or effort.




lizi -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 9:33:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct

"Just where do you get off making a generalization like this Sam? Talk about RUDE!!"

From the last time I was in a biker bar- not long ago. I was on a business dinner prior and was dressed in a suit and tie. I was meeting some other guys from a company who liked the bar, but commented that we had to clear out when the bikers began showing up. We were not welcome- that became rather clear. Other examples- admittedly a while back- some of my sailing buddies wound up in the wrong bar in St. Pete and were out of the regatta because they spent their vacation time in a hospital.

In terms of generalizations- no more so than learning to avoid certain sections of a town at dark. Want to look at the number of complaints and arrests at a biker bar versus an upscale restaurant? Do you really want to debate that certain establishments are riskier to hang out in than others?

On topic

In terms of solving a problem- the first thing you have to do is admit a problem exists. Defining it is next- or at least what parts you can wrap your head around. Seems to me that a lot of people on this thread are attempting to redefine rude/polite behavior, when it's something we learn about in kindergarten or earlier. If you can't admit that your behavior is rude, then there are no solutions. If you can admit that your behavior is rude-but that there are reasons for it- that's a starting point. Then there can be solutions proposed to fix the problem.

Sam





Please.  Are you honestly trying to say that a group of people should be universally disparaged because you had an unwelcome experience and then heard of friends having a bad experience too? Lets all make sweeping generalizations about various racial or religious groups then, and  base them on one or two interactions- that's fair. [8|]  And come on...the number of complaints and arrests AT ANY BAR will be higher than at an upscale restaurant, what a silly comparison. Every town has a rough section and a place where confrontation is rife, to say that it's the fault of one group of people is misleading since every group of human beings has the same problem of having some trouble makers in the mix along with some average citizens.

It's the same if you said that the (insert racial designation here) section of town was dangerous, or being in a (insert occupation here) bar would get you into trouble, when every single one of us has friends of different races and religions who are financially stable, well-spoken, and law abiding citizens. Amazingly enough, if you sat in on a board meeting for the local Hells Angels chapter you'd be shocked at who you might see there. People who work for major corporations, bank presidents, medical personnel, factory workers, fathers/husbands/uncles, military veterans, business owners, etc. A favorite Hells Angel aquaintence of mine fits 5 of those 7 categories. Time to stop with the distasteful generalizations ok? It's rude, which is the topic of this thread. Funny, in the effort to validate your argument that not answering emails is rude, you are slandering another group of human beings in the process.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 10:04:59 AM)

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It's the same if you said that the (insert racial designation here) section of town was dangerous, or being in a (insert occupation here) bar would get you into trouble,


Not quite..There are parts of town that are dangerous compared to others...as well as bars that may be frequented by bikers that like to cause trouble...I use to run with a heavier crowd when I was younger...I get your drift but maybe you haven't been to a whole lot of said bars and if you have well maybe they weren't the kind he had went to.

Maybe he did come off as generalizing "a bit" and maybe he was just being descriptive in his explanation of his own life experience.




CynthiaWVirginia -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 10:39:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

See, that's what I thought. 

I'll admit I have a selfish interest, here.  This is to do with questions like, 'How much does this taint your view of the male species as a whole?  Do they all start to look that bit 'uglier' as a result?  Have you caught yourself making a mistake - treating someone you've later realised is an OK guy, badly?'  It wouldn't surprise me if so.  If I'd had a string of vile cmails from women, followed by just one from a woman who was OK, I'd be on a hair-trigger with that last one. 


How much does this taint my view of the male species as a whole?  I hate to admit this, but it is not a matter of tainting, but a matter of confirming...and I cannot say "as a whole" but it does seem like a majority.  Understand that I have cut off contact with many married friends because their hubbies went behind their back and propositioned me.  This feeling is something I struggle with during burnout, because all of the *coughs* lovely men I knew when I was growing up, as well as all the men I know of afterward.  I have known decent men, ones I met of my own free choice that were not either forced upon me, nor family members through bloodlines or marriage or friendship with their wife or daughter.  I detested my sister's first hubby.  He used to beat her even in front of my mother.  We're talking fists to the guts here, and not some little slap on the shoulder.
 
A lot of the ones who are asshats who write me remind me of men I knew.  They have a chip on their shoulder, or have entitlement issues, and many seem to have very little control over their anger.  It owns them and probably taints every part of their lives and I won't allow it anywhere near mine.  There are reasons why some people are still single, or are single yet again.  My sister's second hubby has been married 4 times now...because his abusive, out of control mouth takes a wrecking ball through every blessed one. 
 
Do all men start to look uglier as a result?  No and yes, both at the same time. [:D]  When I am feeling really burnt out, I do dread opening letters from people I don't know.  Most of what I read tries it's best to drag me down and adds weight to the wrong side of the scales.  Maybe one man in sixty actually reads my profile or even a journal entry before sending me a letter.  This tells me that they don't care to learn anything about me as a person...that they want serviced in some way and don't want to pay money to go to a pro-Domme or have their strictly sexual needs met by a.......  If a man approached me in a grocery store or park and treated me that way, I would be teed off and disappointed in him...as well as disgusted.  Years ago in California, when I would have to walk by a construction site on my way to a bus stop or to work, and a lot of the guys would call out (saying...stuff), I never felt flattered, just humiliated because I was being treated like a non-person, a piece of meat.  The no part of my answer to the question is this.  I have known decent men who have been a pleasure to know.  Several have been from CollarMe...and I have sweet memories of past subs whose manners warmed my heart and made me adore them. 
 
Have I made mistakes, treating decent guys badly because I assumed they were jerks or something?  I try to be kind, so...since I came back under this username, no, I don't think I've gotten evil with a good guy.  Before?  Probably.  I enjoyed troll hunts as much as the next person, so yes, I probably treated some decent man who was merely having a bad day wrong. Several trolls reformed after being here a while and I have recognised some in spite of new profile names, and I enjoy reading their posts now.  There are other ways of treating men badly that I have probably been guilty of...like not giving them an opportunity to get past making a bad impression.  I wish people good luck with their search quite often.  It's hard to be patient with sub frenzy all the time, and even decent guys can go through sub frenzy and become so single minded that they turn me off. 
 
I am going through deep burnout right now, and yes, I feel this way because of certain male subs.  I cannot tell you how much I wish I could just hang up my floggers and walk away.  These past weeks, I have had zero interest in letters from submissive males introducing themselves to me...it's not their fault.  They are catching me at a bad time, and yes, part of me feels guilty about this but it changes nothing. 
 
I should probably hide my profile so they won't waste their time firing off a letter.  I've been debating this issue, as I am tired of changing my profile to LOOKING vs. NOT LOOKING.  I have cut down on the time I spend here until I work my way though the burnout yet again.  This happens frequently for me, always has.  At least I don't delete profiles anymore. [;)]
 
Time for me to go offline to watch more Babylon 5 and play Pokemon and Animal Crossing.  [:D]




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 4:53:25 PM)

I don't really see how my statements have made me petty. I write things as I see them, I try to be honest. If you saw my profile, I do not ASK anyone to write me about being a Master for me, as I state in it that I am owned and am only looking for friends only. Yes, I will freely admit (if this is the comment that you took as petty before) that Master and I find those emails incredibly funny and will laugh at them and make fun of them - for the simple fact that they blatantly disregard what I say and think that they're going to get what they want anyway.

I am in no way narrow minded, if the person who sent an offensive email replied back to my reply apologizing for not taking what I said into account (like perhaps apologizing that they hadn't read my profile, or apologizing for just being rude), I would have no problems with it. I am very open minded and am willing to learn and grow all the time. The only way I can honestly see how you might consider me "petty" is in the sense that maybe you find me of very little importance, less than you. Is that the case? I would like to know how you find me petty, rather than just putting the term out there and letting others wonder what you mean by how I am petty.

I try not to be insulting, when I am, it's because I have a large amount of evidence to back up my claim of whatever negative aspect that person has. I honestly find it a red flag when someone throws a name at me without explaining how it applies to me (and using more names to explain the first name doesn't count). If you notice in both of my posts, I say nothing negative about you or Sam, just that I found it funny that you had deigned to ignore my post. I was not trying to be rude in my remark, and if you thought it such I apologize - I was merely wanting you to look at it and take it as more reason for why women are so 'rude' as to ignore emails.

For you to then shoot back and call me names, with no apparent reasoning to back up your claim, is, to me, rather petty, honestly. Because in that reply it makes me feel like you are being petty in being rude (calling names) over a small thing, and are trying to make me seem less than you and unimportant.

My example was merely ADDING TO the discussion, as another example. Not as "Okay, here's your proof", it's "Okay, here's MORE proof." And that even someone who states in their profile that they are not looking would still, in fact, get them, and that they are rude, and that it's no wonder that women grow sour over things like that and stop replying to men in general due to the fact that they want to avoid things like that.

You were saying earlier that you find it rude to have the filters on or to ignore emails, but with emails like those, would YOU want to answer them? What would you say to them if you did answer? If - upon answering saying you're not interested - you get an email saying how much of a worthless whorish slut you are because you denied a "Master", would you really want to answer those types of emails again? These are the kinds of emails that women hope to block, and unlike men, women tend to be more emotionally influenced BY things like this.
You made a statement about emails like the one I got, but yet you still seem to think that it's rude for women to take measures into their own hands to avoid those kinds of emails. I'd like to hear the logic in that.




PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:06:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

When I am feeling really burnt out, I do dread opening letters from people I don't know.  Most of what I read tries it's best to drag me down and adds weight to the wrong side of the scales.  Maybe one man in sixty actually reads my profile or even a journal entry before sending me a letter.  This tells me that they don't care to learn anything about me as a person...that they want serviced in some way


See, it really does hit me to read that a woman dreads opening letters from people she doesn't know.  I'm not going to argue the point of 'it's all just words on the screen, why care about it?' because I know better.  No anonymous writer has hurt me on this site, but it happened on another site, and I got hurt very badly indeed. 

I don't ever - not ever - 'dread' opening cmails here.  If a woman's said something in anger, it's been silly to the point of laughable, and it's happened very, very rarely.  No woman has ever written to me without first checking me out - either what I say here on the forums, or what I say on my profile (most often, actually, it's both). 

To me, though, the bottom line is that women eternally have to take the risks in this game in a way that men don't and never will.  If you're looking for a partner with whom you'll one day have sex, then you're looking for someone who will be alone with you, while you're naked and vulnerable, and he's a third bigger and stronger than you are.   More than that, he's likely to be temperamentally more aggressive than you are, too.  So, if he's aggressive, is he the type who'll use such aggression to protect you, or will he use it on you, yourself?   You have to decide that.  You have to work it out from whatever clues he gives, that first night you meet him at some bar in town.  And then, further down the line, will he make you pregnant?  If so, does he have the human feeling to stick around? 

It's a fucker, really.  I like to think of women as Goddesses, but I still wouldn't want to be one.  Not even one with a brilliant brain, superb tits, willowy legs and permanent youth. 

To drag this waffle back to the question of the thread:  women will always take the risks when it comes to choosing a partner.  Nature just gave women a bum deal in that respect.  What makes it all worse, these days, is that now men and women are meeting in the virtual world rather than the real one.  In the real world, a woman would avoid the sorts of places where thugs meet.  In that real world, they can size up a man from across the bar-room floor.  He swears a lot, says 'fuck' and 'cunt' every few seconds, he belches loudly - he's wrong.  She'll avoid him.  Here, though, in this new, virtual world . . . all those 'tools' that women have learned over the millennia that help them minimise their risks in choosing a mate - they're not available.  In virtual space, no-one can hear you belch . . . .

To be very blunt, and somewhat depressing:  it's women's lot to take the risks when choosing males.  I can't see that it'll ever be any different.  The old, old problems of men and women coming together are simply transposed to a new medium here on CM, and sites like it.  Women need to develop new tools with which to sort the wheat from the chaff; men have to find new ways of making it clear that they're good guys and not thugs.

Me, if I'm going to make the initial approach to a woman here, I'll do it in only a few lines.  I'll read her profile and say something that refers to it, hopefully interestingly and amusingly.  I can't do more because I learned the hard way that if my initial, long and thought-out, message gets ignored, I'll feel very low.  I can't help that because I'm a sensitive sort of bloke.  I don't have as thick a skin as I'd like. Good men, as I like to think I am, generally are like that.  We can't deal with too many women being cold towards us.  So, I do the written equivalent of a quick flirt at the bar of a pub.  Not a one-worder, not a generic 'hi' plus something that looks like a CV/resume . . . just something small, and friendly.  It usually works, though not always.  I do think that that's the best kind of approach from a man to a woman, given what both women and men have to put up with on this site.




LadyRian -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:12:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: poise

What this thread really needs is a group hug! [image]http://smilies-gifs.com/abrazos/9abrazos.gif[/image]
If this offends anyone, feel free to email me!


You tried, sweet.
I'll hug you. [sm=needahug.gif]




RedMagic1 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:15:26 PM)

PeonForHer, that might be your best post ever.  Well said.




DarkSteven -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:27:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WolfyMontgomery

I always try to be at least *somewhat* polite, and am always very upfront about what I am looking for - i.e good conversation, not smut. =P

In some ways I got the feeling that he felt I was being rude because I wasn't calling him Sir or Master...



Forget it.  You are obligated to show respect to your Master, and to those he tells you to show respect to.  You know full well that he would not require you to show respect to some HNG that has never been in a D/s relationship in his life, and has a bad fantasy about what it would entails, not to mention never read your profile.




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:34:21 PM)

My god if I wasn't already taken, in love, and totally owned... not to mention the wrong mindset lol, I'd be pining for you ;P

Beautifully said.

Risk taking is always part of the deal, and now it's just a bit harder because not only what you said about online versus real life, but also because in the online world, not only can she not hear him belch, but because there's a level of unknown. Someone can be or say anything they want online, much more so than in the real world. A guy who lives in a studio apartment and is addicted to meth can't very well lie to a girl in a bar - in person - and say he's a business CEO. That same guy though can hop onto the internet, google a nice looking image (or maybe use an old one before he got ugly) and can claim anything he wants. How can you tell he's lying? And that same guy probably couldn't say to some random girl in a bar, "I'm gonna beat you and rape you and have to fuck your own children", because he could get arrested for harassment, but what keeps him from doing it online? It's a very large, open invitation to a lot of people that would never be able to say the sick, rude, crazy comments in the real world to have at it.




PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:35:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

PeonForHer, that might be your best post ever.  Well said.


Thanks Red.  Though, let's face it, it's up against some stiff opposition.  *Examines fingernails* [;)]




kiwisub12 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:36:30 PM)

I find it interesting that someone avowed that it was equally rude not to answer your phone as it was to not answer emails.  As far as the phone goes - i bought it, i  pay for the service and i decide if i want to waste my time talking on it. And how many phone calls do we receive that aren't a waste of time?

I feel about the same about emails. Most are a waste of time, a way of being pleasant to another without putting in a huge emotional investment.  Its my time and i feel that i am capable of deciding if i want to waste it on someone i have never met, and honestly, will probably never meet. Is that rude, or is it pragmatic?  I could be on the puter or cleaning out a bird cage. In the end, which benefits me more?


edited to add - having said that, if i receive an email longer than 6 words, i tend to answer it, if only to say thank you but no thanks.




WolfyMontgomery -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:38:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Forget it.  You are obligated to show respect to your Master, and to those he tells you to show respect to.  You know full well that he would not require you to show respect to some HNG that has never been in a D/s relationship in his life, and has a bad fantasy about what it would entails, not to mention never read your profile.



Oh I know, and I wasn't shaken up over it. In fact, your very sentiments are the exact reason why we tend to giggle over those crazy emails. lol

Master still will sneak up behind me and go "Slave, it's time to eat my shit and drink my piss, where's your daughter, time to fuck her!"

And that email was sent WEEKS (edit: Well, like A week ago. It was sent the second day I joined, and I have no idea how long I've been on here now lol, lose track of time too easily) ago. Saved purely for his rereading pleasure so he can get a laugh for the day.




anniezz338 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 5:41:26 PM)

I agree with RedMagic1. That was very well said PeonForHer. And the guys who don't get that are chaff.




lizi -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 6:03:19 PM)

What a lovely post Peon, I haven't quoted it here because we're supposed to watch in general the length of our quotes but it's not very far above this post and I thought its proximity to mine would suffice. I have rarely found that men truly do understand what life is like for women in the area of interpersonal relations between men and women. More specifically, men don't understand what it is to be meat or prey. Most of the men I know are reasonable wonderful men, but they don't get it - how women live differently from the way they do. Most women I know have safety on the brain constantly, they scan parking lots, they lock doors, they don't like to let in strange repairmen. This is what we consider necessary in order to live another day.

Now consider a rude email...to a some it may seem like a small thing....to someone who is careful and cautious on a daily basis it screams danger. It's been scientifically proven that women excel at deciphering human emotion and intent, they have to, they don't have the other physical advantages that men have, so they have to suss out a situation before involving themselves in it. Therefore, an email that is overtly nasty, aggressive or even just clueless sends out danger signals to women and pretty soon these women may not want to put themselves in the position of reading something that instinctually puts them on edge. They'd rather avoid the situation on the whole, so they stop responding to emails they are not interested in. It just seems safer. To be creeped out and upset over a written email seems silly, but it hits us in a vulnerable spot. Nature put this warning system into place for a reason, it's not always easy to override it.

I enjoyed reading your post and feeling understood for once. It was a rare feeling. No...I'm not a woman who perennially looks for the bad in people, quite the opposite. I don't usually dread opening my mail, I've learned to shrug any negativity that happens off. I'm not prone to exaggeration, I'm not a drama queen, I'm just an average woman - and this is my point, that most women do have the watchfullness and instinctual self-preservation turned on to a higher gear than a man does. It's rather easy for a man to say that women shouldn't feel threatened or uneasy and believe me I wish it were that easy. It comes with the package of being a women I'm afraid and I think that's much of what you were saying in your posting.
I'm not dismissing the frustration men have at being ignored either, I guess I don't know what the solution is.





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