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Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 7:37:22 PM)
[8\|]...Likening this to rape now are we? It's probably best that we aren't friends because I think your probably one that's prone to over reacting... BTW the because some good may come out of it comment had nothing to do with you but you use it if you need it. Who the fuck has a hard time dealing with stuff online anyway...geez.

PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 7:39:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer Peon, so far, what percentage of people writing to me have so much as mentioned the vanilla hobby of interest that I spend pretty much the entire profile focusing on as the main reason I'm here on the site, and the main thing I very clearly stated that I'm looking for in the lifestyle? Sorry Lady N, I nearly missed that address to me. The answer is: perhaps 5% at best. Only one seemed clued in - but it's difficult for me to judge because I haven't a clue what you're talking about in parts of your profile. Those parts are a bit esoteric, shall we say. [;)]

Bella1965 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 7:54:01 PM)
G'evening all: quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Almost every single person that's an adult knows that Sam's idea of what courtesy is..is well accepted. We're not some totally different group of human beings. I say that most people know Sam is correct and act accordingly online as they do offline when it comes to manners. I can't prove this but I pretty damn sure I'm right. Unfortunately, you're so dead wrong it's not even amusing. Courtesy is not common. It's the exception, not the rule. While humanity at large may understand the definition, the application is beyond most. See lizi's quote below. quote: ORIGINAL: lizi Saying that "it's the dicates of any reasonable guy" isn't really referencing the entire male population. The reasonable guy category is only a portion of men. Thinking that because you yourself and the men you know are reasonable, therefore the rest of men must be reasonable as well, is infuriatingly narrow minded. Not everything is based upon what you know in your own experiences Samboct, how egocentric to think so. Trying to say that the second-hand rudeness of being silent to an email is equal to first-handedly experiencing an actively rude message is crap. Parsed for brevity. quote: ORIGINAL: samboct Really- is that how you're looking at me when you say it's ok to not respond to a polite email? Because from my perspective, it doesn't come across that way. I'm in agreement with Icarys here- there are two sets of rules being used and that's a problem long term. Oi. Then you deal with the problem your way and others deal with it their way. Mon dieu. If you're uncomfortable with the site? No one is forcing you to stay. By the way Sam; dragging a portion of my journal into a forum thread is pretty low. I didn't appreciate it nor was it applicable to the discussion. Stay safe, play nice & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:00:02 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Almost every single person that's an adult knows that Sam's idea of what courtesy is..is well accepted. We're not some totally different group of human beings. I say that most people know Sam is correct and act accordingly online as they do offline when it comes to manners. I can't prove this but I pretty damn sure I'm right. Unfortunately, you're so dead wrong it's not even amusing. Courtesy is not common. It's the exception, not the rule. While humanity at large may understand the definition, the application is beyond most. See lizi's quote below. Actually you have sided with me to a degree...It is well accepted..You say may understand..same thing. So what's your point...That most people are in fact rude? Yep that would be it and I agree. As for what Sam did..I think you should practice what you preach. I believe he was just pointing that out...It burns like hell doesn't it.

Bella1965 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:05:10 PM)
G'evening all: quote: ORIGINAL: lizi One more thing...the quote referenced above speaks of bikers...do you actually know any Samboct? If you don't frequent the biker bars then how do you know that there is macho posturing and fighting? Replace the word biker in the above quote with any other racial group or subset of the human race and it's equally offensive. Stereotyping never helps your cause, just sayin... Many of the women here would do well to meet a biker, they're not the bottom of the barrel by any means. I've rarely met a group of men who are more gallant, helpful, honest and polite, and they are more than ready and willing to help out in any situation where they are needed. I am not a biker chick although I ride. I know plenty of bikers both male and female, from widely recognized clubs to weekend riders - your generalization left a bad taste in my mouth and is way off the mark. You're not the only one who was offended. quote: ORIGINAL: samboct Given who I am, and who my friends are-we don't frequent biker bars. Don't like the amount of drinking, the amount of macho posturing, fighting etc. I'm also not really interested in biker chicks- because the kind of woman that would like that kind of a guy- well she's not going to like me- and I'm probably not going to be too crazy about her- we have different values. Just where do you get off making a generalization like this Sam? Talk about *RUDE!!* Stay safe, play nice & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:08:31 PM)
quote: Just where do you get off making a generalization like this Sam? Talk about RUDE!! Maybe he knows bikers? Maybe he's been to a bar a few times and they were the ones starting shit..Just saying. I've always had good encounters with them...Hell most bikers today are weekend warriors anyway..We aren't talking hells angels anymore.

Bella1965 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:15:28 PM)
G'evening all: quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Actually you have sided with me to a degree...It is well accepted..You say may understand..same thing. So what's your point...That most people are in fact rude? Yep that would be it and I agree. As for what Sam did..I think you should practice what you preach. I believe he was just pointing that out...It burns like hell doesn't it. Sided with you? No. You never made the point that I did. Acceptance and comprehension are two totally different matters. Practice what I preach? Hmm, do you mean treating people in that manner? In that order? I do. I mentioned something similar in an earlier post. Does it burn? No. I see no contradiction. Your passive-aggression is amusing. You make the points of the dominant women in here stand out. Your behavior is no better than those you condemn. quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Maybe he knows bikers? Maybe he's been to a bar a few times and they were the ones starting shit..Just saying. Not from the way his statement is worded. I may be incorrect, but I find that difficult to believe. Also, any generalization of any demographic is rude. People are individuals, not the sum of whatever term someone may assign them. Stay safe, play nice & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella <edited to update a response>

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:19:56 PM)
quote: Your passive-aggression is amusing You wouldn't know passive aggression if it slapped you in the face and then apologized..[:D] You did in fact agree with me your just too stubborn to admit it. They have both acceptance as a society and comprehension..whether they practice it is a totally different story. One of which I'm sure you've told before. I don't have a problem being the monster if you need me to be. Seriously.

Bella1965 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:29:56 PM)
G'evening all: Actually icarys, I do. To educate you, I've cut, copied, and pasted the Merriam-Webster's definition. Definition of PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE Being, marked by, or displaying behavior characterized by the expression of negative feelings, resentment, and aggression in an unassertive passive way (as through procrastination and stubbornness) Consider yourself informed. Also, use "you're" instead of "your". The first is a contraction of "you" and "are". The second is indicative of possession. Learn the difference. Stay safe, play nice & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:33:21 PM)
quote: Also, use "you're" instead of "your". The first is a contraction of "you" and "are". The second is indicative of possession. Learn the difference. You mean like this? That was your attempt at being passive aggressive? lol Or You are passive agressive as your attack on my spelling shows... Nothing I do falls into that category so you may be able to look it up..You obviously don't comprehend it.

VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:39:55 PM)
Shall we get back on topic, or should I show a need to be rude?

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:41:43 PM)
Sure, no problem.[:D]

Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 8:46:13 PM)
I'll be waiting to see the results of a test that someone has done alongside the one LNT has started. Maybe I'll say goodnight till then.[:D]

samboct -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 9:03:58 PM)
"Just where do you get off making a generalization like this Sam? Talk about RUDE!!" From the last time I was in a biker bar- not long ago. I was on a business dinner prior and was dressed in a suit and tie. I was meeting some other guys from a company who liked the bar, but commented that we had to clear out when the bikers began showing up. We were not welcome- that became rather clear. Other examples- admittedly a while back- some of my sailing buddies wound up in the wrong bar in St. Pete and were out of the regatta because they spent their vacation time in a hospital. In terms of generalizations- no more so than learning to avoid certain sections of a town at dark. Want to look at the number of complaints and arrests at a biker bar versus an upscale restaurant? Do you really want to debate that certain establishments are riskier to hang out in than others? On topic In terms of solving a problem- the first thing you have to do is admit a problem exists. Defining it is next- or at least what parts you can wrap your head around. Seems to me that a lot of people on this thread are attempting to redefine rude/polite behavior, when it's something we learn about in kindergarten or earlier. If you can't admit that your behavior is rude, then there are no solutions. If you can admit that your behavior is rude-but that there are reasons for it- that's a starting point. Then there can be solutions proposed to fix the problem. Sam

WyldHrt -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 9:05:41 PM)
quote: I'll be waiting to see the results of a test that someone has done alongside the one LNT has started. Maybe I'll say goodnight till then.[:D] If it is the test referenced earlier in this thread, be sure to write a polite reply for each cmail you receive. Just reading them doesn't really give the full experience, after all.

WyldHrt -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 9:11:42 PM)
quote: Seems to me that a lot of people on this thread are attempting to redefine rude/polite behavior, when it's something we learn about in kindergarten or earlier. Please see post #243 and the follow-ups to it. I quoted Icarys, as an exchange he was involved in inspired the question, but I was hoping you would address my point as well.

WolfyMontgomery -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/9/2010 9:22:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: odysseyIndeed He must be getting some sort of response because someone else posted that exact email in a thread that I read a week or two ago. I remember specifically because they were laughing when he asked "is that what u want?" i just can't imagine pasting that to just anyone new they see if they never get a nibble .. but maybe? Well, technically I gave him a response too, so I wouldn't be surprised if some girls are replying, if only to ask him, "WTF?" So I'm sure he gets plenty of nibbles, but I have a feeling that most of them are probably a bit like my response to him. Either like me, they found it funny and took it as a joke, or they took offense to his email and yelled at him for it. I honestly cannot see who would actually give him a positive response, unless they did it just to fuck with his head. He asked way too much stuff that for... at least for the more sane types of people... would make them run screaming out the door. I've actually found it rather funny that Icarys and Sam apparently either didn't notice my post or chose to ignore it, since it is proof right there of the crazy crap emails us girls get. Too bad neither of them are apparently going to comment on it.

WyldHrt -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 1:02:30 AM)
quote: [8\|]...Likening this to rape now are we? It's probably best that we aren't friends because I think your probably one that's prone to over reacting... She wasn't saying that it is the same, just making an analogy. [8\|] Her statement had to do with the attitude that those of us who posted about getting abusive mail are either lying or must be bringing it on ourselves via our profiles or cmail replies. I can't imagine what gave her that idea: quote: Nope- it's a free country- there's free speech, and he's just been rude. My sense in watching this little scenario- She got what she deserves. quote: I think it has at least a little to do with the particular people that are getting the bad emails as well. I mean if they are the same snarky self's in emails as they are on this forum..Well it's no wonder they are getting shitty responses back. They are probably being shitty to start with. quote: What I was talking about was an all around shitty attitude that may be spilling over into emails when pursued by a "potential mate". Someone that may have a chip on their shoulder usually isn't aware of it and how they might be perceived by the mailer. quote: I would think it's very possible that some of those that are getting a crapload of bad emails may be seen as nasty by a wide majority of those mailers quote: I personally think the majority of it is over dramatization of what really happened. quote: I suggest if things are that bad...Just give up. I suspect though your being a drama queen Feel free to peruse my profile and tell me exactly what I said in it that prompted some dude to send a cmail out of the blue saying that I have the body of an out of shape 50 year old and a face like 10 miles of bad road. I'd really love to know.

Bella1965 -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 4:52:57 AM)
G'morning all: quote: ORIGINAL: samboct From the last time I was in a biker bar- not long ago. I was on a business dinner prior and was dressed in a suit and tie. I was meeting some other guys from a company who liked the bar, but commented that we had to clear out when the bikers began showing up. We were not welcome- that became rather clear. Do you really want to debate that certain establishments are riskier to hang out in than others? Seems to me that a lot of people on this thread are attempting to redefine rude/polite behavior.... Parsed for brevity. So, you're pouting because you were asked to leave when the regular patrons were arriving and they happened to be bikers, or so you surmised. Did you actually see them posturing, fighting, etc? Or these were you own assumptions because you felt out of place in your suit and tie? Debate the feasibility of my continued well being in certain establishments? No. That's another matter entirely. Not germane to the topic. Redefine rude/polite behavior? No. Pointing out that your opinion about it is skewed. Just because you may behave so, doesn't mean all other "reasonable" men shall follow suit. Go back and read lizi's post number 241 again. Just because society understands the term, doesn't mean they implement it. Which is why it's an individual trait. To whit, this thread began because a female dominant new to the site received unsolicited, unwanted emails. I can only imagine the vitriol in those missives that drove her to complain about it on the boards. I've received all kinds. Hell, it's not limited to males. I got one last night from a bisexual female in PA, along with a nude photo of her in the shower, spewing her fetishes to me. WTF? It was worded "politely" but why on earth should I reply politely to someone I have 0 interest in?? Especially when my profile indicates I have a submissive?!? (I regularly check my filtered mail to see if I get CMails from friends.) My point is, this indicates a perfect example why "polite" emails go unanswered. Stay safe, play nice & share your toys w/ others... [:D] Bella

DarkSteven -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/10/2010 4:58:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt Feel free to peruse my profile and tell me exactly what I said in it that prompted some dude to send a cmail out of the blue saying that I have the body of an out of shape 50 year old and a face like 10 miles of bad road. I'd really love to know. Does that mean that I can get that face and body at a discount!?!?!?!? [sm=yahoo.gif][sm=yahoo.gif][sm=yahoo.gif]

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