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Wulfchyld -> Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:37:41 PM)

What do you feel the most dishonorable things a Dominant can do are?

I would like to think that Dominants are honor bound and above lying and abuse. However I am a realist and was curious as to what your thoughts and experiences on the topic were.

Loki



LaTigresse -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:42:49 PM)

I would say lying is right up there at the top. Not keeping ones word next to it. 



MsMacComb -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:44:37 PM)

Abusing the power that has been trusted to them.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:45:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld
What do you feel the most dishonorable things a Dominant can do are?

Probably child abuse.

To me it has nothing to do with orientation- if it's dishonorable for someone to do it, then it doesn't matter if they are king or pauper, slave or master, women or man, etc.



MistWalker -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:47:15 PM)

i similarly agree,  lieing is at the top of the list, i can not tolerate dishonesty.. but abuse rankes fairely high as well, not respecting limits being high on my list.. now i understand pushing at bounderies,trying to expand yourself, or help expand a sub, but flat out ignoring limits, i find completly unclaaed for, right up there with lieing actuly.. 



slaverosebeauty -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:47:50 PM)

Losing or abusing the trust of their parnter. Once that happens, it's very hard to earn it back.



Wulfchyld -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:49:06 PM)

Damn fine answer LuckyAlbatross. I commend you.


Loki



Kirei -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:50:01 PM)

To me one of the most dishonorable things a dominant can do is be too selfish.  Subs/alaves tend to give much more than they will ever get back, and while they may need to do this....a good dominant will see that it is not all about them(the dominant) but really about what they both share, want, and need.

Koneko



juliaoceania -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:50:37 PM)

Besides dishonesty, I think that abandonment of a sub and leaving her without releasing her is extremely high on the list because it leaves many things unresolved for the sub and keeps her from healing and trusting again.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:52:12 PM)

Wow I'm really weirded out that people think that being lied to is worse than abusing or molesting an unmentionable.

I'm gonna go with the premise that they are thinking along the lines of "in a consensual relationship with an adult as a dominant, what's the most dishonorable thing they could do?"  rather than the literal question.



JohnWarren -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:54:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

What do you feel the most dishonorable things a Dominant can do are?


Most dishonorable?  Treason is up there.  How about multiple serial child molestation and dismemberment?  Operating a Kymer Rouge death camp?

Let's just remember just how long the scale is where you are seeking to assign a value.



Wulfchyld -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:55:43 PM)

Allow me to clarify it with “Within a D/s relationship.”


Loki



Proprietrix -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:56:33 PM)

Definitely lying. I have got no damn use for a liar. In most cases, I put the withholding of information right up there with lying.
Child abuse, elder abuse, taking advantage of people, excessive drinking/drugging, promise breaking.



Proprietrix -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 1:59:08 PM)

Oh fine, clarify the definition while I'm responding!
lol



mnottertail -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:00:12 PM)

quote:


Operating a Kymer Rouge death camp?


Now, by god; there's a kink you don't see every day...........ahhhhhhh, but 'tis done, 'tis done..........

LOL,
Ron 



Wulfchyld -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:02:13 PM)

I still luv ya babe... I’m just a pitiful communicator.

Smiling
Loki



JohnWarren -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:14:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:


Operating a Kymer Rouge death camp?


Now, by god; there's a kink you don't see every day...........ahhhhhhh, but 'tis done, 'tis done..........

LOL,
Ron 


It's sorta personal.  I still have the scars from when I encountered them back in 1971.  Some are pretty visible so most people who have met me have seen those.



IronBear -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:30:55 PM)

Abuse of  Trust, Power, Authority and Privelage....


People I Love and Respect:

   1. People who have humanity.
   2. People who have honour.
   3. People who have integrity.
   4. People who have discipline.
   5. People who have a sense of duty.
   6. People who care!

People I can not Tolerate:

   1. Mean minded people.
   2. People who are bigoted.
   3. People who pour abuse and derogatory comments on other peoples' works and have no creative ability themselves.
   4. Craven cowards.
   5. Abusers and attackers of: The aged, the infirm, the young, women, religions and Priests and priestesses (in any form) of any religion.


De Oppresso Libra

Viva l'Mercinare!

Viva l'Chevelare!






themischievous1 -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:35:46 PM)

-nodnodnod to LaTigresse- I can't stand lying or deception. I don't understand why it's so prevalent upon these sites either. Do these doms think we're stupid or something?

Not that I believe for a minute that doms are the only ones who lie; I'm sure submissives and switches are just as guilty of it. But yeah, it's one of the more dishonorable things a dom can do.

It's also pretty disgusting when they go behind their submissive's back and keep trying to pick up other submissives from these various sites when they've supposedly made a commitment, or when you can't trust them enough to turn your back on them at a play party, because they're hitting up the other single subs at the party. Yuk. I find that very foul.

The ability to merely click on a profile and "get involved" when one is already involved is probably a temptation that few can resist; though I think it's the weaker, less trustworthy, dishonest types who give into this. I also think it's due to a basic immaturity and emotional unavailability that will probably never be dealt with. Age has nothing to do with it. Some peeps have just never grown up and wouldn't know a  principle if it smacked them in the face. It's sad, frankly..



BitaTruble -> RE: Honor and dishonor (4/25/2006 2:44:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

What do you feel the most dishonorable things, within a D/s context, a Dominant can do are?



Top of my list, setting aside your own morals, ethics or values as subjugation to another.  I've seen it far to often where a Dominant will buckle under to keep or get a submissive/slave which, in my mind, means they are not a dominant at all. I've also seen many instances where a Dominant will back peddle in their beliefs or morals just to smooth things over and still churning waters in dealing with a fellow Dominant, not because they believe a differing stance, but because it's easier to do so. That, to me, is dishonorable as well. If your belief in something is strong, it doesn't mean you can't or won't listen to other opinions and perhaps take on a differing belief because a sound argument has changed your mind, but to take on something which is not your own, which you don't believe ... I wonder where the dominance hides at times.

Celeste



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