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RE: Jealousy - 10/20/2010 8:49:51 AM   
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OP, I'm not sure why you chose to be with someone who said from the beginning that they wanted something you were not comfortable with (unless you didn't know at the time that you were not into poly). That's on you, he didn't hide his interest. Because you ignored him, you now have your feelings invested into a relationship that hurts you. You are not wrong as a submissive to feel jealous of your man wanting other women in his life, but you are possibly wrong to have pursued a relationship with him when you weren't on the same page with him.

Your options now are to suck it up and deal or leave the relationship. It won't be easy either way. I have the feeling that you could have avoided all of this emotional pain if you had been honest with yourself from the start. That's why big huge things of this nature where people have opposing views are called dealbreakers....because they are things that cannot generally be accepted within the relationship without too much of a cost to one or both partners.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 1:57:00 AM   
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Poly doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not someone is wanking to the idea.  A lot of people make the distinction between polyamory, which many see as multiple emotional relationships and polyfuckery which is basically just a sexual relationship with multiple partners. 

I didn't see anywhere in the original that this is only a dream of his.  It's quite possible that the person the OP is involved with has had prior experience in being in a poly situation before and he prefers having multiple loves rather than monogamy.  Very much the same as if My situation would change or My marriage would end.  It wouldn't change Me being more suited to poly.  It would just mean that I didn't have current partners.  The situation wouldn't stop My preference for being poly.

If I were single, very much like the situation described in this topic, I'd still be telling people that I am poly and will most likely have additional relationships.  That's something that anyone that I meet interested in having a relationship with Me has to make their own determinations on whether they are compatible with the idea or not.



I think it has everything to do with what someone wanks off to… if he does not even wank off to it why would he want it for real?
Poly just means more, some want poly as in living in a commune and others poly as in more sexual partners and some manage to have both which I presume is what most poly type people here aspire to.
Do I live in a poly amorous household too because there are more people I have emotional ties with than just my Husband? I don’t think so.
I think that talk about poly on this site is mainly polyfuckery as you put it, and I think it is save to assume that the op’s master wants to achieve exactly that; another body to fuck… and they are not looking for another boy for her I take it… something she might be more agreeable to perhaps and it would be just as poly.
If it has nothing to do at all with sex they could just hire a cleaner or rent a room to a student or something.

He might well have previous experience, I don’t know, fact is that the op was not an addition, he was single when they met. It might be a preference of his to have multiple sex partners, I can sympathize, it does not mean that you need this as you well know Lady Pact, you stated many times you would pack your poly in (poor chip) if your husband would no longer agree with it.
As we both know, a person can only be in an open poly situation if all people involved are ok with this… and she is not… so why is he looking… I think they have a massive problem

My advice to the op (if she even wants to keep him) is to fuck him as often as possible, allow him access to her body always and ask for more. Make sure she is plenty enough for him and hot as hell
I do believe that the reason poly people can be monogamous is because the exitement of the new person is enough for them... indeed as soon as interest wanes a new excitement might be desired, but they still want old familliar on the back burner for comfort, i think it is extremely selfish behaviour and i can totally relate to it.

Considering the op's jealousy i suspect if the master wants to keep her happyish that his poly ‘needs’ might be better taken care of if he discreetly cheats... alternatively he can be brave and split up... because forcing ahead with this poly wish of his causing the op, his 1st girl, to be jealous... might indeed end with her standing there holding the gun

Also I do not think that being poly or monogamous is in any way comparable with being gay or straight, as it seems that all poly people are quite ok with being monogamous too for a while whereas gay or straight people are hardly every ok to be the other for a while until a better match comes along.
I do agree that some people are more… fluid (for want of a better word) monogamous, poly, straight or gay, I could be all of these I think… I even start suspecting I could be a switch… but as it stands I am a straight monogamous submissive wife.
If I was single I would be a single female and that would be it… until I would have a relationship again then I would not be single anymore, but half of a couple or maybe the 3rd in another relationship in which case I would be part of a poly … or maybe I would be someone’s bit on the side, in that case I would be someone’s bit of poly while I myself was still single really… or maybe I would take two lovers who may or not know about each other, oh the possibilities are endless.

What is not possible however is for me to have an open poly situation now… because my significant other won’t entertain the idea at all and if I were to try and find an addition to our household (other than inviting my mother to stay over every so often)  I soon would find myself out on my ear and very single.
so my only chance at poly is if i cheat very discreetly... but i am too chicken, so i go dancing instead, with his permission.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 2:14:06 AM   
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Ranja, what you don't seem to understand is just because a poly person is with one partner, it doesn't mean they are a monogamous person.

Also wwhy should someone who was open and honest from the start about his needs be denied that because the op put blinders on?
Her fucking him often isn't going to change his mind about poly, its not about sex or not being enough, its about one person not beingeverything to another person.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 5:29:26 AM   
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I soon would find myself out on my ear and very single.
so my only chance at poly


Here's where you do get it even if you aren't getting it.  When you entered into this relationship, you knew that you were poly.  However, you chose to not practice the concept of poly while you were in the relationship with this person because that person decided they did not wish to practice same.  However, it appears that they know you are poly and if there ever came a time wherein you decided to practice poly again, you both would have to make a decision -- stay and accept it or leave and find someoen who wants poly.

From what the OP is saying, this was never the agreement.  She went into the relationship knowing he would be bringing other people in at some point and she from what it seems implied to him she can deal.  Now that its coming around that he wishes to incorporate what they first spoke about -- practicing poly, she is crying foul.

Wherein you seemed to have gone into your relationship agreeing to monogamy for the length of the relationship, she doesn't seem to be saying HE agreed to monogamy for the length of THEIR relationship but he was clear he would want to put poly in play at some point.

And umm no, CHEATING is not the answer that is saying lying and being dishonest is what will cure his need for poly.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 8:42:45 AM   
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I think it has everything to do with what someone wanks off to… if he does not even wank off to it why would he want it for real?
Poly just means more, some want poly as in living in a commune and others poly as in more sexual partners and some manage to have both which I presume is what most poly type people here aspire to.
Do I live in a poly amorous household too because there are more people I have emotional ties with than just my Husband? I don’t think so.
I think that talk about poly on this site is mainly polyfuckery as you put it, and I think it is save to assume that the op’s master wants to achieve exactly that; another body to fuck… and they are not looking for another boy for her I take it… something she might be more agreeable to perhaps and it would be just as poly.
If it has nothing to do at all with sex they could just hire a cleaner or rent a room to a student or something.

He might well have previous experience, I don’t know, fact is that the op was not an addition, he was single when they met. It might be a preference of his to have multiple sex partners, I can sympathize, it does not mean that you need this as you well know Lady Pact, you stated many times you would pack your poly in (poor chip) if your husband would no longer agree with it.
As we both know, a person can only be in an open poly situation if all people involved are ok with this… and she is not… so why is he looking… I think they have a massive problem

My advice to the op (if she even wants to keep him) is to fuck him as often as possible, allow him access to her body always and ask for more. Make sure she is plenty enough for him and hot as hell
I do believe that the reason poly people can be monogamous is because the exitement of the new person is enough for them... indeed as soon as interest wanes a new excitement might be desired, but they still want old familliar on the back burner for comfort, i think it is extremely selfish behaviour and i can totally relate to it.

Considering the op's jealousy i suspect if the master wants to keep her happyish that his poly ‘needs’ might be better taken care of if he discreetly cheats... alternatively he can be brave and split up... because forcing ahead with this poly wish of his causing the op, his 1st girl, to be jealous... might indeed end with her standing there holding the gun

Also I do not think that being poly or monogamous is in any way comparable with being gay or straight, as it seems that all poly people are quite ok with being monogamous too for a while whereas gay or straight people are hardly every ok to be the other for a while until a better match comes along.
I do agree that some people are more… fluid (for want of a better word) monogamous, poly, straight or gay, I could be all of these I think… I even start suspecting I could be a switch… but as it stands I am a straight monogamous submissive wife.
If I was single I would be a single female and that would be it… until I would have a relationship again then I would not be single anymore, but half of a couple or maybe the 3rd in another relationship in which case I would be part of a poly … or maybe I would be someone’s bit on the side, in that case I would be someone’s bit of poly while I myself was still single really… or maybe I would take two lovers who may or not know about each other, oh the possibilities are endless.

What is not possible however is for me to have an open poly situation now… because my significant other won’t entertain the idea at all and if I were to try and find an addition to our household (other than inviting my mother to stay over every so often)  I soon would find myself out on my ear and very single.
so my only chance at poly is if i cheat very discreetly... but i am too chicken, so i go dancing instead, with his permission.


Let's try to straighten some of this out.  First, for future reference, My boy's name is clip, with an "L".  I'm sure that's just a typo or a mistake, but I wanted to point that out.

Now, before you go saying "aw, poor clip" I want you to keep in mind that he knew and accepted the situation going in.  (Very much like the OP.)  It wasn't a case of him being kept in the dark about how My husband and I feel about this.  We're very firm about our primary relationship having priority.  It's not different the other way around.  This is a secondary relationship on both sides.

There are more reasons out there for someone to want to be poly for other than just the sexual.  My own example is a fairly good one here.  Neither one of the males in My life would be able to fill the role that the other one does.  It had nothing to do with Me getting laid more often.  In fact, for the first several months of My dynamic with clip, we didn't have sex.  There was no sexual contact until I collared him and took My sexual rights as his Owner.

Also, it's really important to remember here that not all members of all poly families are involved sexually with every other member of the household.  Some members of poly households aren't having sex with any other member.  For some, the goal is for all members to be sexual with all others, but it doesn't happen as often as some people would like.  That's why those elusive bisexual woman that people will hope will join their households are known as unicorns.

I wouldn't necessarily say that poly automatically means that every person is ok with it.  Obviously, some people do struggle at various points.  The necessary component is that all people in the relationship is aware of each other and the honesty about it is there.  So, to answer your question, unless your husband is aware of your relationships with other men (be they sexual, emotional, or otherwise), no, that doesn't mean that you're poly.

As for poly people being ok in monogamous relationships, I don't find that to be necessarily true.  If I were in the situation described in the original, I would probably go about it in the very same way.  I would make the person aware that I was poly in the beginning, take the first year to solidify the relationship with that first partner, make sure that was stable, and then start the search to add to My household.


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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 9:17:04 AM   
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My advice to the op (if she even wants to keep him) is to fuck him as often as possible, allow him access to her body always and ask for more. Make sure she is plenty enough for him and hot as hell
I do believe that the reason poly people can be monogamous is because the exitement of the new person is enough for them... indeed as soon as interest wanes a new excitement might be desired, but they still want old familliar on the back burner for comfort, i think it is extremely selfish behaviour and i can totally relate to it.

You aren't really getting poly.

Polyamory isn't about one partner not being enough. I'm not poly because Valyraen isn't enough. I'm poly because I'm wired to love multiple people romantically. Notice: Romantically not sexually. Right now, it's just Valyraen and I. We aren't monogamous - we just don't have another partner. We're 'poly single' at the moment, not monogamous.
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Considering the op's jealousy i suspect if the master wants to keep her happyish that his poly ‘needs’ might be better taken care of if he discreetly cheats... alternatively he can be brave and split up... because forcing ahead with this poly wish of his causing the op, his 1st girl, to be jealous... might indeed end with her standing there holding the gun

Poly needs are not met by cheating. Poly isn't some kink to be scratched.
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Also I do not think that being poly or monogamous is in any way comparable with being gay or straight, as it seems that all poly people are quite ok with being monogamous too for a while whereas gay or straight people are hardly every ok to be the other for a while until a better match comes along.

Again - a poly person isn't monogamous when they are just with one person. They simply aren't dating anyone else, which happens for a variety of reasons. They could be focusing on strengthening one relationship before building another - when I had a boyfriend we had agreed that we would not add anyone else till our new relationship was strong, there could simply be a lack of suitable dates - poly doesn't mean desperate, or perhaps - like me right now - they are burned out on dating and are taking a breather.

We're not monogamous - just not interested in dating right now.
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What is not possible however is for me to have an open poly situation now… because my significant other won’t entertain the idea at all and if I were to try and find an addition to our household (other than inviting my mother to stay over every so often)  I soon would find myself out on my ear and very single.
so my only chance at poly is if i cheat very discreetly... but i am too chicken, so i go dancing instead, with his permission.

Cheating isn't poly.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 9:22:46 AM   
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There are more reasons out there for someone to want to be poly for other than just the sexual.  My own example is a fairly good one here.  Neither one of the males in My life would be able to fill the role that the other one does.  It had nothing to do with Me getting laid more often.  In fact, for the first several months of My dynamic with clip, we didn't have sex.  There was no sexual contact until I collared him and took My sexual rights as his Owner.

Also, it's really important to remember here that not all members of all poly families are involved sexually with every other member of the household.  Some members of poly households aren't having sex with any other member.  For some, the goal is for all members to be sexual with all others, but it doesn't happen as often as some people would like.  That's why those elusive bisexual woman that people will hope will join their households are known as unicorns.

I wouldn't necessarily say that poly automatically means that every person is ok with it.  Obviously, some people do struggle at various points.  The necessary component is that all people in the relationship is aware of each other and the honesty about it is there.  So, to answer your question, unless your husband is aware of your relationships with other men (be they sexual, emotional, or otherwise), no, that doesn't mean that you're poly.

As for poly people being ok in monogamous relationships, I don't find that to be necessarily true.  If I were in the situation described in the original, I would probably go about it in the very same way.  I would make the person aware that I was poly in the beginning, take the first year to solidify the relationship with that first partner, make sure that was stable, and then start the search to add to My household.



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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 10:41:14 AM   
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There is no wrong or right answer. It's about you and how you are built.

For example, for me, and this is just the way I'm built, it's about pleasing him. I would be more happy pleasing him than choosing to be jealous. I would help him look, go out of my way to make her comfortable, be pleasant, fun and participate.

But :) at the same time, I would be watching how it all goes. I start getting left out too much or disrespected, I won't hesitate to use the door. I don't argue and fight. I smile and walk away.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 12:22:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja
I think that talk about poly on this site is mainly polyfuckery as you put it, and I think it is save to assume that the op’s master wants to achieve exactly that; another body to fuck…

OMG.Talk about blatantly insulting all of us who are poly-wired. Polyamory refers to many loves, it does not just mean more fucking.
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ORIGINAL: ranja
My advice to the op (if she even wants to keep him) is to fuck him as often as possible, allow him access to her body always and ask for more. Make sure she is plenty enough for him and hot as hell

Once again, you are making it all about sex. It's not just about sex.
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:ORIGINAL: ranja
Considering the op's jealousy i suspect if the master wants to keep her happyish that his poly ‘needs’ might be better taken care of if he discreetly cheats... alternatively he can be brave and split up... because forcing ahead with this poly wish of his causing the op, his 1st girl, to be jealous... might indeed end with her standing there holding the gun

OMG. You're recommending cheating!? You can't be serious. Lying and sneaking around cheating is never a good idea. Where is the honesty in that? Cheating and lying breaks down the trust and would make it even worse. Recommending cheating would appear to say something about the one recommending it.
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Also I do not think that being poly or monogamous is in any way comparable with being gay or straight, as it seems that all poly people are quite ok with being monogamous too for a while whereas gay or straight people are hardly every ok to be the other for a while until a better match comes along.

I disagree. Either one is wired for monogamy or poly. Since when does a monogamous person feel right in a poly relationship. Since when would a poly person want to be forced to be monogamous. Even if the poly couple hasn't found their "other," it doesn't mean they're wired for monogamy. They're still open to finding an "other."

The bottom line is, the OP knew going into her relationship w/ her Master that He was poly, and should have known there could very well be another coming into the relationship after her. She was deluding herself to think otherwise.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 1:28:28 PM   
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You aren't really getting poly.

Polyamory isn't about one partner not being enough. I'm not poly because Valyraen isn't enough. I'm poly because I'm wired to love multiple people romantically. Notice: Romantically not sexually. Right now, it's just Valyraen and I. We aren't monogamous - we just don't have another partner. We're 'poly single' at the moment, not monogamous.




This is probably one of the best explanations I've seen. But I wish the op would return because I'm betting this isn't what her dominant wants. I don't think he wants the two of them to fall in love with a third. I think he wants someone else and for her to stay even though she doesn't want that someone else.

Most of the time when people use poly they don't mean polyamory. They mean multiple sex partners for themselves, not to add love. They mean open instead of poly. And I'm sure you'll admit there's an enormous difference there.


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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 1:36:33 PM   
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Who said you can't like/love the people you sleep with in an open relationship?

Edit: People may prefer 'open relationships' for other reasons. It's not as likely to find someone who is attracted to (or can simply get along with) both partners and is willing to commit to them. It's not like being bi/pansexual automatically makes you attracted to everyone. Plus, most of these triads involve an extra bisexual woman (and not a bisexual man).

What if both partners are both straight and poly? Just sayin'.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 1:54:51 PM   
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You aren't really getting poly.

Polyamory isn't about one partner not being enough. I'm not poly because Valyraen isn't enough. I'm poly because I'm wired to love multiple people romantically. Notice: Romantically not sexually. Right now, it's just Valyraen and I. We aren't monogamous - we just don't have another partner. We're 'poly single' at the moment, not monogamous.




This is probably one of the best explanations I've seen. But I wish the op would return because I'm betting this isn't what her dominant wants. I don't think he wants the two of them to fall in love with a third. I think he wants someone else and for her to stay even though she doesn't want that someone else.

Most of the time when people use poly they don't mean polyamory. They mean multiple sex partners for themselves, not to add love. They mean open instead of poly. And I'm sure you'll admit there's an enormous difference there.



Why on earth do you think that? He's been open about being poly from the start. Honestly, assuming the worst of poly people - with positively NO evidence - doesn't help the rest of us who ARE poly. For that matter, having been in the poly community, I don't see a lot men going "Hey, I'm poly" at the start and continue to be ALWAYS OPEN about being poly, take a year to build their relationship and then go just for the fucking.

The horny trolls don't usually have that sort of patience and honesty.


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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 2:32:34 PM   
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Also, from my very, very limited knowledge of people with open relationships, I get the impression that with no 'amazing connection' or if you start off with "Hey, I heard you get around, lets fuck.", they won't touch you with a 100 foot pole.

These people have very stable, committed, happy, satisfying primary relationships, usually. They are anything but desperate.

And for the OP, it's not like poly people are never jealous. It just doesn't seem to make them insecure.

Now, 'scuse me (and my limited knowledge).

Edited for better wording.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 3:18:46 PM   
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You aren't really getting poly.

Polyamory isn't about one partner not being enough. I'm not poly because Valyraen isn't enough. I'm poly because I'm wired to love multiple people romantically. Notice: Romantically not sexually. Right now, it's just Valyraen and I. We aren't monogamous - we just don't have another partner. We're 'poly single' at the moment, not monogamous.




This is probably one of the best explanations I've seen. But I wish the op would return because I'm betting this isn't what her dominant wants. I don't think he wants the two of them to fall in love with a third. I think he wants someone else and for her to stay even though she doesn't want that someone else.

Most of the time when people use poly they don't mean polyamory. They mean multiple sex partners for themselves, not to add love. They mean open instead of poly. And I'm sure you'll admit there's an enormous difference there.



I have to agree here. From people I have spoken to, the term poly is often overused or misused to convey having multiple sexual partners. Some Dominants feel it is their right as a Dominant to have multiple partners. That is not my type of Dominant so if I knew up front someone even mentioned the word poly, I would be uninterested.

Aqua explained very well what the ideal version of poly is, but none of us know what is actually going on with the OP to really comment further.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 3:35:57 PM   
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No but we know that OP very clearly stated that the dominant in question was upfront about it and always upfront. This is not a random change of rules, regardless of how he means the term poly. This is something she knew from the start.

So why the hell are we casting aspersions on this guy? He was upfront, clear and honest. What was he supposed to do? Hire a skywriter?


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RE: Jealousy - 10/21/2010 3:43:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pleasememore

My master is looking for another Sub. I know he loves me but it's killing me. I hate it. I know he needs to do it, but I just wish it were over with. Am I wrong as a Submissive to feel this way. Please tell me.


I am afraid your dominant has confused the definition of need and want. No, it is not wrong of you to feel unnerved. It appears that you dominant is also lacking when it comes to reading his submissive as if he were capable, he would know how upset this is making you. You need to speak to him and tell him how you feel.



It doesn't always matter to the Dominant how the submissive feels in this situation. She is really struggling, in pain.. but He will still do what He wants to do, she is going to have to deal, or leave.

OP: just make a decision and stick to it, it isn't going to get any better.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/22/2010 12:13:01 AM   
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There is "don't ask don't tell" poly.  Which is similar to cheating in some ways.  I think it is a  much more healthy relationship than cheating, as both partners are aware that the other may be sleeping with other people, and/or romantically involved with them, but they don't know the details because they prefer not to know.  There is no deception in DADT poly, but there certainly are secrets.

I am not suggesting this is the solution for the OP, just that it probably looks like cheating to a mono, after all a lot of people who consider themselves mono are actually in DADT poly relationships.

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RE: Jealousy - 10/22/2010 2:28:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Let's try to straighten some of this out.  First, for future reference, My boy's name is clip, with an "L".  I'm sure that's just a typo or a mistake, but I wanted to point that out.

 So, to answer your question, unless your husband is aware of your relationships with other men (be they sexual, emotional, or otherwise), no, that doesn't mean that you're poly.




My apologies for mistaking clip's name.
i know you and he both have more important relationships and are secondary to each other, it is very good you can organise things this way, i think you are fortunate.
Fact is that people change their minds at some point, clip's wife might leave him and clip might become way more dependent on you then... your husband might change his mind, want an additional woman or man for himself, things might need to be worked out and it does not always matter that certain agreements have been made from the start as life is not static.
Everybody on earth is being poly amorous as people call it, unless you are Billy No mates, we all have different people in our lives who we love for different reasons and in different ways, to me it becomes proper poly if you start loving them sexually as well.

i disagree that you can only be poly if you are honest about it, cheaters are just as poly as people who have everything agreed and hashed out in my opinion.

The op might well have buried her head in the sand when her master said he was poly, but it might just always have remained something they talked about and not something he would actually pursue, people do say things that they don't then do, i could have made that mistake and i totally understand her sinking feeling about this.

For Angel: i never knew i was poly, i did not think about these things, i was just fucking about, i did not really understand the concept of being faithful, i did not feel love and sex are necessarily related, i let myself be used and i hurt quite a few people in my ignorance.
I now know that i can be faithfull... i chose not to tell my Husband that i was a slut who probably would cheat on Him at some point because i feared that might put Him off me and spoil my chances, besides He was working away at the time and i thought it a bit cruel to have Him worry about a slutty wife, as He had suffered one before.
As it turned out not being honest payed off as we are still good together 20 years and counting and i am pretty sure if i would have been honest He would have avoided me.

I would absolutely love it if my Husband would pimp me out, share me or like to watch me with another lady, as for an addition to our household, a cute slave to use for both of us and help around the place would be just dandy, i would prefer a male but would settle for a female
All these ideas are totally selfish, it is all about my wants and not His... He knows my mind and that is good, we play with the ideas, and there is absolutely no chance of me taking it any further, not with Him in the picture anyway.

As for other people being uppity about my stance on cheating... i do think there is indeed a place for it depending on circumstances, everybody to their own.

Oh and i think people who talk about their 'wiring' sound like they are electrical equipment.


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RE: Jealousy - 10/22/2010 8:25:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ranja
My apologies for mistaking clip's name.
i know you and he both have more important relationships and are secondary to each other, it is very good you can organise things this way, i think you are fortunate.
Fact is that people change their minds at some point, clip's wife might leave him and clip might become way more dependent on you then... your husband might change his mind, want an additional woman or man for himself, things might need to be worked out and it does not always matter that certain agreements have been made from the start as life is not static.
Everybody on earth is being poly amorous as people call it, unless you are Billy No mates, we all have different people in our lives who we love for different reasons and in different ways, to me it becomes proper poly if you start loving them sexually as well.

i disagree that you can only be poly if you are honest about it, cheaters are just as poly as people who have everything agreed and hashed out in my opinion.

The op might well have buried her head in the sand when her master said he was poly, but it might just always have remained something they talked about and not something he would actually pursue, people do say things that they don't then do, i could have made that mistake and i totally understand her sinking feeling about this.

Apology accepted.  If you ever have trouble remembering the name, it's in My sig line.  People do tend to confuse it when they hear it out loud, as chip is a lot more common.

Life may not be static, but that doesn't mean that those involved with each other are willing to accept different circumstances.  We see that often on these boards.  One person in a marriage acquires a taste for BDSM and the other partner wants nothing to do with it.  To Me, the original agreement that they had stands if it becomes a tug of war.  It's the same case here.  We decided that poly was acceptable to all of us, but not at the cost of our primary relationship.  Think of it like consent.  If consent isn't there, it doesn't happen.

As for cheating being poly, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that and I'm not aware of anyone who is poly that considers cheating the same thing.  The dishonesty that makes the difference tends to make a lot of poly people cringe.  Being poly removes the deception from the situation, which can often be more damaging to a primary relationship than the external relationship that someone has chosen to engage.  Often, it's the lying and broken trust that is far more hurtful to a person than the actual details of what happened between the other parties.

There are actually far more monogamous people than their are poly people.  Just like there are far more non kinky people than there are kink enthusiasts.  A lot of people can not and will not accept their partner being involved with other people.

You probably are right about the OP burying her head in the sand.  I've had that happen with a submissive at one point.  It isn't a good sign to Me. 


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RE: Jealousy - 10/22/2010 8:35:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As for cheating being poly, I'm afraid it doesn't work like that and I'm not aware of anyone who is poly that considers cheating the same thing.  The dishonesty that makes the difference tends to make a lot of poly people cringe.  Being poly removes the deception from the situation, which can often be more damaging to a primary relationship than the external relationship that someone has chosen to engage.  Often, it's the lying and broken trust that is far more hurtful to a person than the actual details of what happened between the other parties.





Ranja, if you actually think you have any inclination towards poly in the slightest, I'd suggest getting involved in online poly communities. There you will discover a great deal of frustration, annoyence, and anger towards those who believe cheating is ok and is polyamory.

I know that you think is cheating ok and that's great for you. But that doesn't mean that it's polyamory.

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