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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 9:36:13 AM   
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I had one Dom cmail to tell me that when I became his (lol), he would find out what I truly hate and do whatever it was periodically, just to 'test my submission'.



I have asked that on occasion and have been surprised to find out how many female subs truly hate shopping, eating out, and chocolate.



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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 9:36:23 AM   
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NuevaVida and Leadership have made very good points. I think the key is in learning what we each need and want, then being clear about that in our communications as far as relationship expectations.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 10:04:09 AM   
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i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say?

I'm going to disagree with a number of the posters so far. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Everyone here is engaging in some form of alternative lifestyle i.e. doing it wrong by the norms of society. So for them to turn around and tell you that you're doing it wrong is just plain ridiculous, no one here has a leg to stand on when it comes to telling you how your relationship should work.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 10:13:53 AM   
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I can't say that it's "wrong" -- if you can find someone who appreciates that kind of dynamic, then by all means, enjoy it. However, I can tell you that it will definitely impact the options for available Mistresses for you. For example, that kind of behavior would never fly in our household. That's not to say that I don't allow (even encourage) our servants to provide me with information that I may be lacking that would impact my decision process, but there is -no- question that, under my roof, I make the decisions, and any servant who would need to be bullied, punished, or constantly chastised for inappropriate behavior, manipulation, etc., would find hirself promptly dismissed.

See, for me, I have plenty of challenges in the course of my life. I enjoy authority-based relationships... that is... a relationship where I hold the authority and the other individual willingly yields such to me. I have -no- interest in a battle of wills to see who is "stronger"... that kind of game-playing is trying, taxing, and frankly, a royal PiTA, and I have no interest in wasting my time with a person who gets hir thrills out of that kind of game.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 10:27:22 AM   
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the red parts work for many people...as for them it is a sexual fantasy..not a lifestyle.


Then let them be honest about it, call it nothing more than a fantasy, and not try to pass it off as their lifestyle. Call it what it really is, otherwise it's  pretty unfair to someone who's looking for something more than just a fantasy.


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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 10:57:58 AM   
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might  depend on your situation also.  Maybe because  just  like some other others are  saying,  if what  you  are  telling them  as reminders  of things.  like appointments  or leaving  at a certain time  or something  like that. Then this would maybe  be okay.   I my self.  if  i  dare  say  anything  in a manner  that is  telling  my own Master what to do  or not what  to do.He  will  knock  the  hell out of  me!  Some times  I  do  feel the urge  to  tell him some thing. But I   try too  think about what  I want to say   care fully then ask his permission   to say it.  This  way  i am  not out of tone with him nor out  of my submission.  When  he gives  permission  to me for me to  speak  freely.  I  do  so.  I hope  maybe this  might help?  Maybe?

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:05:02 AM   
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See the bold faced, red type? This is a problem with so many.

No that's your problem with so many.

Not everyone is looking for the same things you are, that doesn't mean that their dynamic is somehow less valid than yours it just means that you're not compatible.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:09:46 AM   
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the red parts work for many people...as for them it is a sexual fantasy..not a lifestyle.


Then let them be honest about it, call it nothing more than a fantasy, and not try to pass it off as their lifestyle. Call it what it really is, otherwise it's  pretty unfair to someone who's looking for something more than just a fantasy.



If that is how they are living their life, it's their lifestyle.

Lifestyle: –noun the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lifestyle

So they aren't looking for your lifestyle. That doesn't mean theirs is just fantasy playing. It's different but still their lifestyle even if it doesn't appeal to you and me. 

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:25:17 AM   
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Have you ever been in a relationship where the struggle for power goes back and forth and arguments are common? Each is trying to win... each is trying to be respected and trying to balance things the way they want them to balance out. Each is somehow keeping score in some way and the fight goes on and on and on. There may be reasons that the couple stay in the relationship and some very important and serious and yet the battle continues with no solution because it is a battle of wills and no one wants to give in. (I will address giving in, in a moment.) 

I believe when we are younger we will allow things to continue because we often have family commitments and we fight to end the fight and yet cannot end it because it means someone giving in to someone else. Or we are just young and inexperienced. I also believe that as we age and mature, we find this type of relationship problematic and refuse to go there. Yet not every one matures in the same manner and feels as I do about it. Many get wounded in the battle to have their rights or what seems fair to them. They often pick someone based on one thing or another and try to force something that really won't work well in the end. Some wounds or defenses come from a battle of wills and often times these feelings would continue throughout life as some see every relationship as something they will have to fight for rights in. Some are still mad because someone long ago, did them wrong and wasn't fair in their view of things and they continue a battle that is long over with, with every new person that enters their life. 

I believe that living true to yourself means that you have balanced the old wounds, found what makes you happy because you know who and what you are and what you want in a relationship or in life in general. Only then can you have a healthy and happy relationship with life and others unless you are very lucky and just fall into something. Yet, even in those situations I have to wonder if there was an actual finding of one's self and a balancing act done, or if something has just been found acceptable and not too much that they would want to fight for it to be better or different and if they are in some part swallowing some part of themselves.

I don't believe in power struggles. Somewhere, someone is doing something that is harming another or someone is feeling harmed, ignored or neglected. I don't wish to force anything upon anyone and see no need for a struggle unless something is wrong and then it needs a solution. If the power struggle is so large that discontent turns to a battle, there could simply be a mismatch or something is very wrong. Either way, things aren't right and something needs to change. 

Some like a struggle and that is their choice in life but for me it signifies something I do not want in my relationships. The power dynamics are agreed to and expected to remain what we agreed to unless we agree to change them. There is no question about it, both know what to expect. Before there is a power dynamic, we should know one another well enough to commit to the power dynamic and this is often what goes wrong when things don't work out. Someone agrees to something too soon or they don't know healing as much as they think they do or even at times they are not being honest about what they want because they don't know themselves. Then we simply have people who enjoy the roller coaster, the battle, the win and lose and for them, go for it if you enjoy it and are happy with it, but I don't know any long term relationships that thrive in this manner. Sooner or later in that struggle for power, someone crosses a line, unless it is truly just a playful thing. Then it wouldn't be a true struggle would it?

I believe you can work these things out in a way that the dominant isn't too forceful and someone has to give in. I think we can agree and be fair in all things and yet still have domination and submission. There doesn't have to be a giving in and giving in doesn't have any place in d/s dynamics in my opinion. Giving in implies that something was done unfairly, that someone wasn't respected and to save the situation they had to give in. Wrong. Giving in causes resentment eventually. 

I believe that to work out a dominance and submission people really need to know who they are and what they want. You cannot go back and forth in a struggle within and not struggle with others. If you don't know who you are and what you want you may flip flop and that inner struggle, no matter who you are with, will manifest. Once you know who and what you are, you must first respect someone you are with so that the d/s dynamic's can be an honesty between you and work out with a relationship that flows easily and harmoniously. It all starts with self respect and then respect for the person you are with as well as the relationship. 

After that dominance and submission are a choice and you make that choice being fully aware of what it all means to you and as a couple and honor that choice.

(This isn't all inclusive, but is an example of what I believe.)



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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:28:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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See the bold faced, red type? This is a problem with so many.

No that's your problem with so many.

Not everyone is looking for the same things you are, that doesn't mean that their dynamic is somehow less valid than yours it just means that you're not compatible.



How many "Do Me" submissives do you encounter? Would you enjoy being viewed as a commodity? I think not. I agree that I'm not compatible with people who would prefer to see me as one who is there for nothing more than to fulfill fantasies, and not as a real person. Of course I have a problem with people like that. Don't you?  How do you handle "Do Me" submissives?


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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:45:38 AM   
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See, for me, I have plenty of challenges in the course of my life. I enjoy authority-based relationships... that is... a relationship where I hold the authority and the other individual willingly yields such to me.

*laughs* Well, it's not often (or perhaps never now that I think on it) that I've felt I had something to teach YOU Dame Calla, but I really did learn a lot from this other couple. They also would assert that they have an authority based relationship and that the dominant holds all the authority. It's just that how THEY measure authority isn't the same as how you and I do. Back to what I said above..

For Carol and I: She does what I want.
For them: He does what he wants.

In other words, it feels like "authority" and "control" to them so long as he can force her and she doesn't send him to jail. The fact that she initially didn't obey means little or nothing. To me it looks like a total absence of authority... but I'm not in the relationship *grins*.


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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:49:23 AM   
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In other words, it feels like "authority" and "control" to them so long as he can force her and she doesn't send him to jail. The fact that she initially didn't obey means little or nothing. To me it looks like a total absence of authority... but I'm not in the relationship *grins*.


You're right, Jeff.. I do agree. It isn't 'authority' in the way that I see it -- it feels more like a "coercion/punishment" or "brat/boss" dynamic to me -- but what it feels like to me doesn't matter unless this person is someone that I am interacting with... which is why I said that I think that it's not "wrong" -- it's just going to take finding the right match for it to work well.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:56:28 AM   
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No that's your problem with so many.

Not everyone is looking for the same things you are, that doesn't mean that their dynamic is somehow less valid than yours it just means that you're not compatible.


That's kind of the point.  I can't speak for how things work in your dynamic, but the situation of challenging the Dominant that the OP is expressing isn't compatible in My case.  Somebody who wanted that kind of dynamic would have to do that with somebody else.  When two people have vastly different goals in the type of dynamic that they would like to have (say one is happier in an obedience situation and the other prefers to brat or order the Dominant around) that's not a good match.  There are people like Me who would tell the OP to have a good time with that, but I don't want that situation.  I figure, I'm either in charge or I'm not.  If I'm not, there's no reason for Me to participate.


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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:58:53 AM   
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I think the amazing aha to me in all this wasn't the old "hey, whatever works for them". That's old news. It was that they could actually see such a thing as him having any authority, power, or control. It took me a while to realize that they did and they weren't just fabricating a fantasy... they were measuring an entirely different thing.

This is why I say that I have at least 4, possibly more, radically different definitions in my head for what "dominance and submission" is.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 11:59:02 AM   
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the red parts work for many people...as for them it is a sexual fantasy..not a lifestyle.


Then let them be honest about it, call it nothing more than a fantasy, and not try to pass it off as their lifestyle. Call it what it really is, otherwise it's  pretty unfair to someone who's looking for something more than just a fantasy.




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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 12:02:38 PM   
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If that is how they are living their life, it's their lifestyle.

Lifestyle: –noun the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lifestyle

So they aren't looking for your lifestyle. That doesn't mean theirs is just fantasy playing. It's different but still their lifestyle even if it doesn't appeal to you and me. 


Please, perhaps you can explain to me, and I hope you will, why there seem to be so many male submissives who are absolutely convinced that a Domina isn't going to have her own ideas about how she would like him to serve her, and instead simply can't wait to conform to his ideas about what she's  "supposed" to want?  This happens a lot.  Where's the balance in that?  What's the dynamic there?  Is it really merely a question of "different strokes for different folks?" Or is there more to it?



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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 12:29:15 PM   
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It isn't only male submissives.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 12:35:10 PM   
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I've not had any experience with female submissives as of yet, but I'll keep this in mind.  

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 1:55:15 PM   
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i have a bad habit of telling them what to do. is that wrong per say? i think it's more common then people think, if it's done discretely.


taking the quote from the OP, i think people are more than entitled to step up and say 'actually, not in my case' and be speaking the truth from their relationship perspective.

if someone wants to believe that its common for submissives to manipulate their Dom/me in a power exchange relationship then they must be ready for those people who actually find that (lumping everyone into the same mentality) is pretty irritating. 

she says 'i have a bad habit of telling them what to do' so right there she clearly admits that its not a good habit and then asks 'is that wrong perse' - so which is it with the OP is it a bad habit or not from her POV.

... so people have written to correct her on her dodgy premis that 'telling a mistress/master what to do is more common than people think'.  i happen to rate folks like LadyP and Lockitt and Leadership and all of the others who remain consistant in all that they contribute here....., there really is no comparison with them and someone who comes here to troll for a punishment dynamic.

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RE: Telling a mistress/master what to do? - 10/22/2010 2:40:27 PM   
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I've not had any experience with female submissives as of yet, but I'll keep this in mind.  
OK, granted... it's more than a bit suspect to assume that anything one reads here on collarme in any way whatsoever conforms to any sort of real life. But that being said, I should think it'd be trivial to do a casual perusal of threads here on the forums or profiles on the dating side. In both cases, it'd be pretty evident that ALL the female slaves place a wide variety of constraints on their partners. In fact, isn't this pretty much a mandatory part of being in a relationship of any color whatsoever?? On the dating side, the vast majority of "slaves" are, to my eyes anyway, bottoms... just as your describing. But hey, I'm not the terminology police.

Frankly, it isn't all that surprising to me that male subs... or anyone who's hungry for that matter... comes to the table wanting to be fed. It'd only be a problem in my mind if they were unwilling to feed you in return. God knows when I met Carol I was pretty hungry for love and wanted that to be fed (ditto with her). How is that different?




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