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It was widely reported in the 70s that there were over a million 3rd generation AFDC recipients in NYC alone. Just pumpin out children they couldn't afford......

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I have to say, I haven't read more than the first page of posts...but I was listening to NPR yesterday evening and of course Juan Williams came up. He was an analyst for a widely recognized news source. It is against NPR policy for their media presenters to announce opinions on other news sources that conflict with anything they might say on-air with NPR. What those opinions are, are in this case irrelevant. It was honest to admit that seeing people in traditional Muslim dress on a plane would make him nervous, but by saying so he violated the terms of his contract and was subsequently fired.
He was not fired for what he said specifically, but because the nature of his comments were not considered politically correct.

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Exactly. The specificity of the comments wasn't necessarily important, it was the fact that those comments were publicly stated and went against his employers' public stance. NPR isn't what I would call 'inflammatory'.
If it were a one-time offense, NPR's response would seem a bit drastic - but does no credit go to the straw that broke the camel's back?

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All?  So far, you are the only leftist who has defended him.  Please direct me to the posts where rulemylife, Owner59, lucylastic, slvemike4u, DomYngBlk, or politesub53 defended Juan William's position and took NPR to task?

I`m not leftist but am glad to be thrown in with those names mentioned. As for free speech, I am all for it, however ludicrous it gets, even yours......[;)]

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Not leftist...and yet,oddly enough, always arguing from that side. The only thing ludicrous herear is your tryiung to sound as if you are not on the left when all one has to do is read your posts to see that, unlike KDsub, they never reflect any sort of positive response towards anythng coming from the right. Much as I hate to say this, here you sound like the left-leaning version of Popeye...

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No, certainly nothing wrong or discriminatory here.

From your link:



Williams was fired just two days after he made a Fox News Channel appearance during which he agreed with a television host that the United States was facing a "Muslim dilemma."

On his show "The O'Reilly Factor," host Bill O'Reilly said: "The cold truth is that in the world today, jihad, aided and abetted by some Muslim nations, is the biggest threat on the planet."

Williams, who is also a political analyst for Fox News, said he concurred with O'Reilly, adding: "I think, look, political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality."

The analyst said he felt nervous when boarding planes with Muslims on board.

"I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country," Williams said.

"But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

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Ding! Ding! Ding!

I hope that all of you dyed in the wool "conservatives" notice that the "liberal/left wing/socialists" on this board are defending Williams to the death.

Would you do the same for a leftist's right to free speech?

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You can have him.

But tell me Firm, how do you seriously defend his remarks?

He is afraid to board a plane with Muslim passengers, he says that other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed, and violent".

Are these views you support as well?

Oh see, you took 4 words out of context and they now have a completely different meaning.
He did NOT say other blacks are "ignorant, oversexed and violent".

What he said was he understood O'Reilly's grandmother's opinions because they came from what she saw and what she saw was what she knew.

"After watching all those racist, minstrel images of black people, I argued, she is right to buy into stereotypes of blacks as ignorant, oversexed and violent."

Context makes all the difference in the world.

There was no bigotry in his statement.

Uh..........if you go up to #32 you will find I posted the exact quote.

So how am I taking it out of context?

You can also read the link that contains his whole article, but apparently you did not bother reading the thread and probably only saw my post scrolling by and decided to offer your opinion.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Clearly your reading comprehension sucks if you think what he said was racist.

When then, let's keep the hit parade of Juan Williams' quotes going and you can explain to me more about my reading comprehension.

Poll: Education, Income Segregates Blacks : NPR

WILLIAMS: Right now, Steve, it's like 53 percent of black Americans who say that African-Americans who aren't getting ahead are responsible for their own problems, and then two-thirds of all Americans - whites, blacks, Hispanics - now feel that personal behavior - and by that we come back to the values concern - that wrong values with regard to education, keeping family together - that those are the things that are keeping poor black people oppressed. It's not racism.

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It's hard to argue against the idea that raising children on welfare isn't/wasn't child abuse.

Tell that to the soldiers returning home with limbs blown off, or do you consider the fact they wont be able to work child abuse. Lets just hope you and yours never get any kind of serious illness that prevents you from working.

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"But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

You are correct. There is nothing wrong or discriminatory about his comment.

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Im still waiting for you to post a single racist quote. Maybe you will in the last few pages of this thread.

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"But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

You are correct. There is nothing wrong or discriminatory about his comment.

Then give me an example of what you think a discriminatory remark would be Willbeur.

Because if this doesn't fit the criteria I'm not sure what would.

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she resigned,