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truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 1:59:52 PM)

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WILLIAMS: Right now, Steve, it's like 53 percent of black Americans who say that African-Americans who aren't getting ahead are responsible for their own problems, and then two-thirds of all Americans - whites, blacks, Hispanics - now feel that personal behavior - and by that we come back to the values concern - that wrong values with regard to education, keeping family together - that those are the things that are keeping poor black people oppressed. It's not racism.


Your talent for linear thinking and cognitive reasoning continues to fail to impress me.
Now you're saying that quoting the opinions of others- clearly from some poll or somesuch- is the same as holding those beliefs.
And implying that to say that values affect success is racist.
Seriously, dude. Again.




truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:01:36 PM)

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Personal behavior is what causes the failure of the vast majority of people regardless of their gender, race or ethnicity.


Liberals deny that they deny the importance of personal responsibility. [:D]




lockedaway -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:11:48 PM)

Very true!  Liberals have to blame their failure on outside forces.  It isn't that they are lazy, or that they got knocked up out of wedlock and can't get a job or that they knocked someone up out of wedlock and now have to pay the bulk of their wages to child support, or that they got addicted to drugs or sold drugs or didn't finish school or just don't have any ambition.  None of that is their problem.  No...the government has to step in and "level the playing field".  Have you ever asked why middle class conservatives don't ask the government to "level the playing field"?  Liberals scream for social justice, i.e. giving money or housing or food stamps or utility credits, etc. to people that didn't earn any of it.  Conservatives say "leave me alone and I'll take care of my own damn self."  It doesn't matter that both the liberal and the conservative may be in the same income tax bracket; it is a difference in thinking.

The liberal LIKES the control of the Nanny state and HATES the private sector.  They like to be told that they can eat this but not that or drink this but not that or smoke only on the Alaskan Tundra because you can't smoke outside in a park or beach, much less in your own office.  They LIKE that kind of control.  It is GOOD  for them.  That is the opposite of the conservative that feels that the best government is the least government and that the purpose of government is not to loosely regulate a self-regulating people but to over regulate in order to consolidate power.  The most basis theory of liberalism is "that there is nothing in the human experience that is not worthy of regulation."

And so....




Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy




mnottertail -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:18:17 PM)

You are singlehandedly creating a worldwide shortage of asswipe, with the amount you have spewed here.  Good one on ya.




Lucylastic -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:22:35 PM)

put it down to its lowest common demominator
liberalism, compassionate, caring
conservatism, selfish and greedy.
Wow thats a lot of twat waffling
Gotta love generalisations
shame its utter bollox




FirmhandKY -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:23:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Juan Williams Firing - NPR Defends Decision


Vivian Schiller, President and CEO of NPR, has defended the agency’s decision to terminate the contract of news analyst Juan Williams after comments the analyst made on The O’Reilly Factor on FoxNews.
Schiller stated that the analyst’s comments on the show veered from news analysis into opinion and this was not the first time the problem had occurred.
She was very clear that Williams was paid by NPR to give a perspective on the news and not his opinion as he was not a columnist or commentator.

You think her comments make any sense?

What is the "perspective" that he can give on the news, if not his opinion?  What the hell does she (and you) think "perspective" means, anyway?

This is simply gobbledygook and nonsense, and apparent to anyone who isn't an ideologue.

Firm




FirmhandKY -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:24:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

put it down to its lowest common demominator
liberalism, compassionate, caring
conservatism, selfish and greedy.
Wow thats a lot of twat waffling
Gotta love generalisations
shame its utter bollox

Says the capitalist who won't give her wares away .... [:D]

Greedy git, aintja?

Firm




Lucylastic -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:31:03 PM)

youare wrong
I have given away gifts , items of clothing, toys, paddles and free gifts for 6 years..and I have more than once donated items for auctions at major BDSM events
try not to be so cynical dahlink




lockedaway -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:44:10 PM)

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put it down to its lowest common demominator
liberalism, compassionate, caring
conservatism, selfish and greedy.
Wow thats a lot of twat waffling
Gotta love generalisations
shame its utter bollox




Stupid post.  I mean.........really stupid.  Anyone who feels liberalism is compassionate is really too stupid to take their next breath.  Liberals confiscates wealth.  How is that compassionate?  Ohhhhhh.....right......it is compassionate to take millions of tax payer dollars and study whether potatoes mate.  Sure....brilliant.  Fucking brilliant.  Or any one of the other ridiculous studies that hundreds of millions have been wasted on.  Oh...no....I get it, it is compassionate to take people's tax dollars and give it to losers who sneer at the prospect of pulling a card off of a job board and demanding that the social worker "mind their own fucking business" and give them their check.  Yup....that is compassionate alright.  It is only compassionate for the loser piece of shit who sucks at the public tit.  THAT person finds it compassionate and advocates for it.  Right Tazzy???????????

And conservatism equals greed.  Right again.  I hope no one is actually that fucking stupid to agree with that.  With the money I make, my mother will never see a nursing home.  My kids will never see a public school.  I will never be prevented from buying a drug.  With the money I make, I can pay a friend's rent for the next 3 months to get him through a dead spot.  I can do any one of a number of things.  Yeah....conservatives are greedy.  The people who believe that are so stupid, so helpless, so neutered they make you want to puke.  Human flotsam and jetsam.



Know your enemy.  Liberals lie.  Liberals deceive.  Liberals fight against liberty and against prosperity.  Do NO business with a liberal.  Don't rent to them, don't trade with them, don't refer clients to them...nothing.  Economic warfare is the only civilized strategy.





Lucylastic -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:49:23 PM)

and whooosh right over your head it went
hahhahahah




truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:51:31 PM)

The first law known to have been made by a European in North America was: "Those who would eat the ships stores would do the ships work". (Note to rml: "Work or starve")

Therein is found the true sweet essence of freedom.




Zevar -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 2:58:37 PM)

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Do I feel nervous when people in Muslim garb board my plane? Of course I do. I'm going to pay a lot more attention to them than the old, Irish lady from County Cork.


You never know if there are bonds between the old, Irish lady from County Cork and Irish Republican Army (I.R.A.) when boarding a plane, aye! Facts are facts! As my Irish father and mother would note and be genuinely concerned with, being Irish Catholic and wealthy AND fully aware what the I.R.A. is capable of accomplishing.

There are numerous reasons people fear boarding a plane, bus, ship, an auto or train etc.. besides due to those who wear "Muslim garb", as Juan Williams refers to clothing of certain Muslims.

Of course a myriad of other folks who are not noticeable due to one reason or another could be a genuine security threat but have yet to be stereotyped, thus not yet feared for one reason or another.

Speak your mind these days against violent practices in the name of a deity within and among certain special interest groups and surely the backlash will spurn a thousand tortuous storms in return for speaking the opposite.

How does the extremist mantra go? United States of America, the land of infidels, right?

Isn’t that what is to be admitted? The land of the new world order that is controlled by a Global ideology, unseen to the common people. Absolutely NOT! Freedom is not to be relinquished under any circumstance. What happened to Free Speech or Freedom of the Press since 9/11, aye! Or maybe theory is all we are talking when considering Freedom of Speech or Freedom of the Press?

America, the land of the free and the Home of the brave, right? Without a doubt! Speak out Juan and whomsoever chooses to exercise their Constitutional Rights as an American citizen of the United States of America!

Take care!




truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:01:10 PM)

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You never know if there are bonds between the old, Irish lady from County Cork and Irish Republican Army (I.R.A.) when boarding a plane, aye!


Riiiiiight.
And the IRA uses sooooo many suicide bombers.
And blows up sooooooo many planes in flight.




Zevar -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:03:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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You never know if there are bonds between the old, Irish lady from County Cork and Irish Republican Army (I.R.A.) when boarding a plane, aye!


Riiiiiight.
And the IRA uses sooooo many suicide bombers.
And blows up sooooooo many planes in flight.


There are many ways to die or rather to kill those who are deemed the enemy.




Lucylastic -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:04:20 PM)

thats ignorant even for you




Sanity -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:09:17 PM)

Two examples of Muslim garb:

[image]http://lh6.ggpht.com/_jZxpDOhengc/Swq6_glpYeI/AAAAAAAAB80/xma8l1wULlM/s1600/obama-in-muslim-garb%5B3%5D.jpg[/image]

There are variations but one can easily tell what "Muslim garb" is.

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ORIGINAL: Demspotis

I find myself very curious to know just what Juan Williams believes to be "Muslim garb"?

There is no Muslim uniform. Muslims live in and come from many cultures, and have a lot of different styles. Pretty much everything that is worn by some Muslims is also worn by non-Muslims. A couple of examples of what I'm talking about: 

(1)The nation of Albania is mostly Muslim; that nation is in Europe and shares a border with Italy. The part of NYC that I live has a lot of Italians, and a lot of Albanians. I think the biggest mosque in this area is the Albanian one. These particular Muslims dress and act just like the Italians... except that some of them are even closer to the "guido" stereotype.

(2) On the other end of a spectrum, a lot of people in the US seem to think that turbans and beards are "Muslim garb", but in fact, if you see someone here with a beard and wearing a turban, he is almost certainly a member of the Sikh religion. (I've seen a statistic that 99% of turban-wearers in the US are Sikhs, although I don't know what the source for that is. I do know at least that personally I have never seen a Muslim in the US wearing a turban, except maybe on imam on TV; but I've seen thousands of Sikhs in turbans in person.)  The Sikhs are definitely not Muslims, and in fact have been fighting against extremist Muslims, particularly the ancestors of the Taliban, for hundreds of years. Partly because those Muslims tried to genocide the Sikhs, and they fought back. On top of that, the Sikhs have fought and died to defend freedom of religion of other people as well as themselves. 

Mistaking a Sikh for a Muslim is sort of like mistaking an American soldier for a German soldier in WWII: the clothes may seem to be superficially similar, but the language, ethnicity, ideology and values are different.

About turbans: All "baptized" or initiated male Sikhs are required to wear turbans and to refrain from cutting or shaving hair. Some Muslims wear turbans either because it happens to be traditional clothing of their particular nation, or as a sign of high status. Turbans as a mark of high status is cultural to large parts of Asia, the Middle East and northern Africa, without regard to religion. Even in the Jewish Bible, the kings and priests of the Jewish people are said to wear turbans, so apparently they shared that custom in ancient times. It's like that in India: the old maharajahs wore turbans, as did and do the warrior castes such as the Rajputs. In modern Hinduism its customary for men to wear a turban at their wedding, even they don't wear one at any other time. Sikhs adopted the turban from Hindu Aryan tradition to show that all Sikhs were to be considered equal and respectable, no matter what their religious or caste background might have been. Thus, there use of it has nothing to do with Islam... except insofar as many Muslim cultures share the custom of seeing turbans as a mark of high social status.

Hmm... if there IS anything like an actual Muslim uniform, it would lie in the fact that, like its older brother Judaism, in Islam, men are supposed to cover their heads, and so many Muslims - in this country - wear small hats or skullcaps... in many cases, looking like an oversized yarmulke/kippah (the skullcaps worn by observant Jewish men). That being so, it would make more sense to mistake Jews and Muslims for each other, than to mistake Sikhs and Muslims for each other.

But... let's all be smart, and learn how to tell all of these groups from each other. Knowledge is much better than ignorance! One little hint for recognizing a Sikh: they all wear steel bracelets on one wrist, or occasionally both... even the ones who don't wear turbans.  




Lucylastic -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:12:14 PM)

as longas obama is wearing it huh?
FMYAFD




truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:12:24 PM)

Saying I don't fear flying with a County Cork grandma, with or without ties to the IRA, is ignorant?
Or is it saying that the IRA doesnt blow up planes in flight is ignorant?
Saying they don't use suicide bombers is ignorant?




rulemylife -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:13:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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WILLIAMS: Right now, Steve, it's like 53 percent of black Americans who say that African-Americans who aren't getting ahead are responsible for their own problems, and then two-thirds of all Americans - whites, blacks, Hispanics - now feel that personal behavior - and by that we come back to the values concern - that wrong values with regard to education, keeping family together - that those are the things that are keeping poor black people oppressed. It's not racism.


Your talent for linear thinking and cognitive reasoning continues to fail to impress me.
Now you're saying that quoting the opinions of others- clearly from some poll or somesuch- is the same as holding those beliefs.
And implying that to say that values affect success is racist.
Seriously, dude. Again.


Seriously dude.

I didn't say it dude.

Juan said it dude.




truckinslave -> RE: Juan Williams fired by NPR. (10/22/2010 3:14:26 PM)

I so love that picture.
He looks like a cross between a goatherd, a tribal cook, and a first-time crossdresser.
You couldn't even photoshop that.




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