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Kirata -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/24/2010 10:45:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I don't wonder if I'll lose sleep over it.

Well I'm sure you won't, but that's beside the point. The impression I get is that this is not so much a religious belief for you as simply one that you invest with a religious fervor because doing so makes you feel noble and righteous. Because rather than engaging in some constructive activity, like volunteering at a counseling center for women who are seeking an alternative to abortion, you appear satisfied to pass your time by imagining shooting people.

K.



tazzygirl -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 12:44:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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It upheld a ban on late term abortions except in the case of maternal health.


No it didn't. It upheld a ban on a popular procedure used to kill third trimester babies- "partial birth abortion". It in no way stopped Tiller and his ilk from killing third trimester babies.

The law is that any woman can get an abortion at any stage for any reason- just not by the procedure known as "partial birth abortion".


Controversial Intact Dilation and Extraction or IDX- IDX is also known as Partial Birth Abortion. IDX or Partial Birth Abortion is a banned abortion method under Partial Birth Abortion Ban law. This law was passed by Congress and came into effect when President George W Bush signed it in 2003.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Abortion-Methods---Learn-7-Different-Types-Of-Abortion&id=1660593

Now, do explain in all your medical knowledge how a woman can get an abortion during, say, her 32nd week of gestation simply because she doesnt want to deliver? I really would love to hear your explanation of how your premise of an abortion at any stage for any reason... the stage is the last trimester.



truckinslave -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 7:09:45 AM)

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Now, do explain in all your medical knowledge how a woman can get an abortion during, say, her 32nd week of gestation simply because she doesnt want to deliver?


Hysterotomy.



tazzygirl -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 8:31:53 AM)

Just as i thought... you are clueless on this subject.



Moonhead -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 8:59:44 AM)

Is that really a surprise?



tazzygirl -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 11:17:29 AM)

Actually, he typically hides his ignorance a bit better.



LazyOlderWanker -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 6:49:58 PM)

abortion is when it is inconvient to have a baby, i e not human.

It may be her body , what about humanity?

In nazi germany abortion was encouraged when smokeing cigeretts was discouraged.

No legal problems if someone aborts a baby but if they kill an endangerd specicies then straight to jail.

White people have 1.8 babies when american muslems have 8.1 children. Somebody do the math for me and tell me at this rate when will american muslems be the maoriety?



Nineveh -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 10:59:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Now I am Catholic and pro life, however, nowhere can I find anything in the Bible advocating the murder of someone or putting their lives in danger on purpose.

Other Abortion Doctors have been placed on these type of posters and within months they have been murdered.


Well there is Exodus 22:18 - Do not allow a sorceress to live.

This is relevant because the concept of "sorceress" in those times was a woman versed in herbal arts, and one of their main sources of revenue was providing abortifacient herbs to women who did not want to carry a pregnancy to term.

There is also capital punishment for harming a fetus as an accident, presumably doing so deliberately would be worse:

If men fight and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly, as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. (Exodus 21:22-25)




Exodus 22:18 is mistranslated.  Witch is not far off, but it does not mean an herbalist, it means someone who practices bad speech, Gossip or Slanderer would be a more accurate translation.  That's probably King James' most notorious mistranslation.



switch2please -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 11:20:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LazyOlderWanker

abortion is when it is inconvient to have a baby, i e not human.

It may be her body , what about humanity?

In nazi germany abortion was encouraged when smokeing cigeretts was discouraged.

No legal problems if someone aborts a baby but if they kill an endangerd specicies then straight to jail.

White people have 1.8 babies when american muslems have 8.1 children. Somebody do the math for me and tell me at this rate when will american muslems be the maoriety?


We are hardly an endangered species.
(and Muslims are human too...religious belief does not disqualify one from being a member of the same species, though it can be convenient to think so)



switch2please -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/25/2010 11:23:33 PM)

truckinslave: This is kinda my point. Newborns are adopted more quickly than older children, but those children still need homes. It seems irresponsible to me to advocate all fertilized ovum, without exception, should be brought to term when we as a society can't even take care of the ones already on the planet.



Kirata -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 12:47:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

Exodus 22:18 is mistranslated. Witch is not far off, but it does not mean an herbalist, it means someone who practices bad speech, Gossip or Slanderer would be a more accurate translation. That's probably King James' most notorious mistranslation.

What's your source for that?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3784&t=KJV
http://net.bible.org/strong.php?id=03784

K.



Nslavu -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 12:51:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


Now I am Catholic and pro life, however, nowhere can I find anything in the Bible advocating the murder of someone or putting their lives in danger on purpose.





Are you sure you read it right? God sure does a lot of advocating for murder and doing god's work is pretty heinous. Add a few right wing christian bullet heads to the mix and you have the biblical recipe for death. In fact god is even into a little genocide. I think you might want to reread it. I don't know how you could miss that shit seriously. You could also look in revelations and get a load of jesus's plans to wipeout more than 99% of the planet, apparently scheduled for the 2012 liftoff to paradise if you accept christian testemony at all these days. If you're not one of the 144,000 chosen one's guess what... aborted you is. Putting lives in danger... lol



Lucylastic -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 1:46:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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This ultimately comes down to sovereignty over ones own body


The government recognizes no such thing. So far as i know, no society recognizes this.


I showed that you were wrong,  at least admit it...your emotionally charged logic escape you??



Nineveh -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 2:17:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

Exodus 22:18 is mistranslated. Witch is not far off, but it does not mean an herbalist, it means someone who practices bad speech, Gossip or Slanderer would be a more accurate translation. That's probably King James' most notorious mistranslation.

What's your source for that?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3784&t=KJV
http://net.bible.org/strong.php?id=03784

K.


Every Jew I have ever spoken with.



tazzygirl -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 2:51:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Now, do explain in all your medical knowledge how a woman can get an abortion during, say, her 32nd week of gestation simply because she doesnt want to deliver?


Hysterotomy.


I have given truckin a few days to respond... and it appears he wont. I will point out the error in his response.

A hysterotomy is a rare form of an abortion procedure typically performed between 12 and 24 weeks.

The third trimester is between 28 weeks and birth.

The Supreme Court has upheld a ban of the use of one method for abortions in the third trimester. There are a few others, most which carry a high risk for the mother.



Lucylastic -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 3:00:52 PM)

I wanted to post a response to it Tazzy, but behaved myself, ... I agree with you 150% regarding Hysterotomy. and the facts
Merci for being calm and serene.



gungadin09 -> RE: Some one want to explain which part of the Bible promotes this? (10/26/2010 8:24:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Now I am Catholic and pro life, however, nowhere can I find anything in the Bible advocating the murder of someone or putting their lives in danger on purpose.



What difference does it make whether the Bible advocates this behavior or not? The Bible is thousands of years old. At best, it was written by men inspired by God, but for a civilization and a time entirely foreign to our own. To take every word of the Bible as a literal directive for the modern era, is ridiculous, in my opinion. People debate whether the 2rd Amendment is applicable to modern life, and it was written only 200 years ago. How much more should we question the cannon that advocates the death penalty for adulterers, homosexuals, brides who aren't virgins, taking the Lord's name in vain, cursing a parent, and so forth? Or, where are all the wanted posters for those people?

Look, i'm pro-choice, but i can see why abortion is ethically questionable. i can see why people get so worked up about it. Abortion may be right or wrong. But taking the Bible so literally as to act out some kind of vigilante justice? That's definitely wrong.

pam



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