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mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 9:40:17 AM)
read the thread, we have established malum in se is not malum prohibitum, and it is trivial to see that the 17 enumerations are not the law of the land. you may go over and lick the toilet seat. is there a fuckin full moon or what? or a retard convention somewhere?

lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 9:47:07 AM)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Oh too funny. YOU CAN'T ANSWER HIS FUCKING POST! I'm not going to say YOU, knottedhead, but people LIKE you are losers and punks. If you can't answer his post, simply tell him that you will have to get back to him. If he is ACCURATE then simply admit that the point he made is true but you still disagree with it for the following reasons. Isn't that easy? Isn't that mature? Isn't that the way serious people actually debate a point? Don't be a sarcastic little c**t (not that you are of course because I would never levy such a personal attack!!!!!!!!). Address his point and further the conversation.

mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 9:50:59 AM)
Read the fucking thread. I answered his post, he is wrong in every way. Otherwise, point out what I did not wipe him all over the floor with. As I do you.

lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 9:59:34 AM)
Give a real answer to RealOne's post number 416. Set it out Chapter and Verse or use case law. Whatever authority you have, cite it.

mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 10:25:03 AM)
look at that placid federal park just outside your barred asylum window....... enumerated? was my answer, all that was necessary for any reasonable man. You may see the basis of the SCOTUS ruling in Roe v. Wade on the constitutions enumerations of rights. What they fundamentally said, and Roe v. Wade is available, is that the enumeration of rights in the constituion does not construe deny or disparage others retained by the people (the government is the people). Now, to waltz ahead to your first wait a minute, I will point out that the SCOTUS recently pretty much ruled that a corporation was a person. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Next, is that fact that several cases (and this is not an exhaustive list) : Marbury v. Madison McCulloch v. Maryland Gibbons v. Ogden and others which come to say that the government has powers not enumerated. so, since someone makes an unfounded claim that there are 17 and only 17 rights that are enumerated and therefore the law of the land, it falls to me to prove them wrong, which anyone knows on the street knows for a fact is not the case in the constitution or american law.............. Nope, now you and 0 have it backwards.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 11:01:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: Why the silly rifle rhetoric? I think he's made it pretty clear that it's not something he would look forward to nor has he said he would engage..As far as I can tell he's just making observations. And Icarys, this is the very root of the problem. They are not listening, and what they hear, they incorrectly interpret. How can is it even possible to get across to them the concerns? It does not bode well for the future, methinks. Firm Oddly enough, i didnt hear a threat... nor did i hear a warning. I heard desperation.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 11:22:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail look at that placid federal park just outside your barred asylum window....... enumerated? was my answer, all that was necessary for any reasonable man. You may see the basis of the SCOTUS ruling in Roe v. Wade on the constitutions enumerations of rights. What they fundamentally said, and Roe v. Wade is available, is that the enumeration of rights in the constituion does not construe deny or disparage others retained by the people (the government is the people). So now you claim there are no individual rights? Just priviledges handed to you by the democracy huh? The government is NOT the people, the people CREATED the government. quote: bouviers law dictionary: PEOPLE. A state: as, the people of the state of New York. A nation In Its collective and political capacity. 4 Term 783. See U. S. v. Qulncy, 6 Pet. (U. S.) 467, 8 L. Ed. 458. The aggregate or mass of the individuals who constitute the state. Solon v. State, 54 Tex. Cr. R. 261, 114 S. W. 349. Thats the plural version... In neutrality laws, a government recognized by the United States. The Three Friends, 78 Fed. 175. "People of the county" and "the county" may be regarded as Interchangeable. St Louis County Ct. v. Grlswold, 58 Mo. 175. When the term the people Is made use of in constitutional law or discussions, it is often the case that those only are intended who have a share In the government through being clothed with the elective franchise. Thus, the people elect delegates to a constitutional convention; the people choose the officers under the constitution, and so on.' For these and similar purposes, the electors, though constituting but a small minority of the whole body of the community, nevertheless act for all, and, as being for the time the representatives of sovereignty, they are considered and spoken of as the sovereign people. But in all the enumerations and guaranties of rights the whole people are intended, because the rights of all are equal, and are meant to be equally protected; Cooley, Const (2d Ed.) .40, 267; Cooley, Const. L. 278. Sovereign people. Every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of the sovereignty; Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. (U. S.) 393, 15 L. Ed, 691; it includes registered voters as well as tax payers; In re Incurring State Debts, 19 R. I. 610, 37 Atl. 14. Thats the singular version... Every citizen sounds pretty singular to me! you wanna argue with bouviers law dictionary be my guest, it is the favorite of the supreme court FWIW. Now, to waltz ahead to your first wait a minute, I will point out that the SCOTUS recently pretty much ruled that a corporation was a person. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Yeh so what? Nothing new there its been that way for well over 1000 years. Next, is that fact that several cases (and this is not an exhaustive list) : Marbury v. Madison McCulloch v. Maryland Gibbons v. Ogden and others which come to say that the government has powers not enumerated. Proving the usurpation of power thank you very much! so, since someone makes an unfounded claim that there are 17 and only 17 rights that are enumerated and therefore the law of the land, it falls to me to prove them wrong, which anyone knows on the street knows for a fact is not the case in the constitution or american law.............. Nope, now you and 0 have it backwards. the claim is correct and you just proved my point over and over again.... some people (meaning one YOU), just dont get it! pun intended LMAO

mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 11:29:27 AM)
This is why I don't go into long insightful and credible and logical legal citations with fuckin retards.

Politesub53 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 11:33:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian? How many remained Tories? Around 15/20% Of the American population fought for the Loyalists. I seem to remember reading some 45 % of the population supported the Revolution. After the war some 70,000 plus loyalists left America, most for other colonies. Many of the British soldiers decided to stay in America, I am unsure of the number though. What gets me is most of you on the right are saying if we dont get the government we want, we will have a revolution. Sounds a bit "Third world" to me, the one thing it isnt, is democratic.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 11:36:04 AM)
when you prove the way it is done which runs contrary to the way it is supposed to be done only proves a usurpation. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Just like "gun control", completely in violation of the constitution but its done and it does not make the supreme court right and its written so clearly that even a 20 iq idiot can come up with the right answer on that one.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 12:52:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian? How many remained Tories? Around 15/20% Of the American population fought for the Loyalists. I seem to remember reading some 45 % of the population supported the Revolution. After the war some 70,000 plus loyalists left America, most for other colonies. Many of the British soldiers decided to stay in America, I am unsure of the number though. What gets me is most of you on the right are saying if we dont get the government we want, we will have a revolution. Sounds a bit "Third world" to me, the one thing it isnt, is democratic. A freaken limey(apologies polite one...no offence meant) and he gets is....meanwhile our own erstwhile patriotic tea bag dip shits think that threatening the very institutions they hold dear is the essence of patriotism. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights still remain....and they hint at armed revolt....ask them their grievences and they complain about taxes,rail against the overreaching powers of the Fed and long for the good old days .They even dust off that old canard(used once before if I recall) States Rights. Ask them what rights have been abridged..... Ask them when they were denied due proccess.... Ask them when they were last barred from voting..... Ask them anything of substance.....and all they can come back with is a general feeling of discontent...and than blithley tell you that the conditions for the insurrection are not quite right yet.And therein lies the threat ,the implication that there is a right way to vote and failure to do so might just force a crisis.

Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 12:57:27 PM)
Well, didn't it become obvious that was what all the bitching was about when it kicked off the second a Kenyan Democrat was sworn in? They've hardly been going out of their way to hide it.

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:01:53 PM)
No moon you are correct...this is nothing new,and given the givens it was to be expected.

PatrickG38 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:02:41 PM)
Adult political parties used to keep people like this licking envelopes in the backroom far from the press, but it is clear that in a once great party, the lunatics are in charge of the asylum.

Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:04:01 PM)
Well, when was it last a great party? It's all been downhill for the Republicans since Nixon, hasn't it?

slvemike4u -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:08:11 PM)
Eisenhower wasn't bad....lord knows we should have paid more attention to his entreaty to beware the military-industrial complex.

mnottertail -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:08:45 PM)
I wasn't looking at Hoover as any sort of savior, nor Coolidge, come to that.

PatrickG38 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:10:30 PM)
Yes, since Nixon basically.

Real0ne -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:19:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Do you have the slightest clue how many people in the States actually supported the War of Independence from Great Britian? How many remained Tories? Around 15/20% Of the American population fought for the Loyalists. I seem to remember reading some 45 % of the population supported the Revolution. After the war some 70,000 plus loyalists left America, most for other colonies. Many of the British soldiers decided to stay in America, I am unsure of the number though. What gets me is most of you on the right are saying if we dont get the government we want, we will have a revolution. Sounds a bit "Third world" to me, the one thing it isnt, is democratic. A freaken limey(apologies polite one...no offence meant) and he gets is....meanwhile our own erstwhile patriotic tea bag dip shits think that threatening the very institutions they hold dear is the essence of patriotism. The essense and root of patriot is parens patrae meaning state as parent, whats to hold dear about that? I mean if you are an adult? The Constitution and the Bill of Rights still remain.... Yeh they aint nothing but a god damn piece of paper! ~G W Bush and they hint at armed revolt....ask them their grievences and they complain about taxes, How about everyone send them to you eh? rail against the overreaching powers of the Fed and long for the good old days. You mean before the usurpation of government? They even dust off that old canard(used once before if I recall) States Rights. Oh thats right they dont have any do they? Ask them what rights have been abridged..... 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 10th, need more? Ask them when they were denied due proccess.... Every fucking traffic ticket, tax cases, zoning, ordinances and on and on and on! Whats the last amendment you or your uncle or you grand father or great great grand father VOTED ON? Ask them when they were last barred from voting..... When voter fraud became an acceptable in the general elections, when the supreme decided who the president would be. Ask them anything of substance.....and all they can come back with is a general feeling of discontent...and than blithley tell you that the conditions for the insurrection are not quite right yet.And therein lies the threat ,the implication that there is a right way to vote and failure to do so might just force a crisis. well lets see what you come back with...I called and raised you 100.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/26/2010 1:43:45 PM)
What makes me squeal in derision is the fact that "freedom" for baggers is now only for conservative middle aged english speaking christians wanting "their" country back. Used and abused the immigrants and people of colour, and the working poor, and suddenly look down on them and realise that they are heading in the same direction because of greed. A fight for freedom my arse its a fight to crawl back in the womb because they are scared of the results of their selfishness. Ten years or even five years ago, this should have happened( la revolution) , but they were still eye deep in the trough most of them act like petulent three year olds who dont like to share

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