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rulemylife -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 5:59:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Excellent post. Lucy wants to complain...I think it was Lucy, it makes little difference...about illegals being discriminated against by conservatives. The key word is that they are illegals, right? She wants to complain about "people of color", I assume she largely means blacks, not having the same opportunities as other people? Like who? The vast majority of us went to public school. We read the same books, we received the same homework, we either did the homework or we didn't, and we became who we became. This is a conservative's problem? The problem, as most thinking people understand it to be, is that everyone is born with different abilities (thus the fiction that all people are greated equal--they are ONLY equal under the law, not genetics) as so people are going to rise to different levels. What was the line from "Caddy Shack"? "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too." Overwhelmingly, we are all afforded the same opportunities in this country. Who gives a fuck about the working poor? If our country cared about the working poor, we wouldn't have taxed corporate America into the arms of Mexico, India, China, Indonesia and a host of other countries. It used to be that a kid could drop out of college, work in the local foundary and actually buy a house. How many of you have seen a foundary lately? No...really...how many? The last "foundary" I lived by was actually an aluminum smelting plant in Kearney, NJ and like every other form of industry...it relocated. It relocated due to taxes, unions, property taxes, regulations (excessive or not, improper or not, whatever). Yes...there is working poor in this country like never before. Does anyone want to pinpoint when it became such an epidemic? Anyone care to quote Ross Perot? So fuck the working poor. Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them. This country created them in the last 20 years and all of us are losing ground; doctors, now lawyers, soon teachers and even cops. Enjoy the ride folks. The darkest part of the storm is still ahead. Unbelievable. But thank you. You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs.

lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 7:33:17 AM)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are sooooooooooo welcome. Everything I wrote was 100% accurate and YOU KNOW IT. That's the problem. You really do understand what I said. HATE ME. It validates my position. People are concerned about the working poor. Wonderful. So let's incentivize industry to return to the U.S.A. Folks...it is really THAT simple. Cut corporate taxes, allow corporations to fire people trying to unionize but establish wage standards and fast tracked labor dispute courts like worker's compensation court, and then deal with excessive regulation. THAT DOES NOT MEAN DE-REGULATE. No one wants to see tons of mercury dumped into the air or other heavy metals so don't even get bogged down in the bullshit, nitty-gritty argument about regulation. If those few things were done, at 11:55 a.m., people would be listening for the noon whistle to go have lunch by the MILLIONS just like they used to do. Instead, Ford is out of Middlesex County, New Jersey, GM left too and SCORES of other industries. Have you been to Bethlehem, Pa. lately? How about Gary, In? How about Flint, MI? How about Allentown, Pa? How about Detroit, MI (where unemployment is 33%). Hey Rule...I LOVE that you hate me. It tells me I'm on the right track while you push for America's certain destruction. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m15.gif[/image]

lockedaway -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 8:07:37 AM)
As a side note, because you are such a friend to the working man, do you remember what the luxury tax did to the boating industry? Do you remember such grand old names like Bertram and Pacemaker and Egg Harbor and dozens of other venerable boat makers? They went bankrupt. Egg Harbor came back...that isn't true, actually....someone just bought the name. But down they went. The idea was that rich people would buy no matter what but that has been proven false time and time and time again. Tax an employer and they fire someone; it is almost a knee-jerk reaction. Overtax the part of your populace THAT PAYS taxes and they will stop spending. Down and down and down goes the economy. And that is what we are doing, pancaking our way in a slow death spiral into oblivion.

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 9:31:44 AM)
quote: You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. You've shown me how silly you can be in far less. Who blankets a large group of people as bad because of a single persons political view..

Moonhead -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 10:23:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. You've shown me how silly you can be in far less. Who blankets a large group of people as bad because of a single persons political view.. How about... most of the right leaning posters on here when they start blathering about the homogenity of the evil liberals? It's generally people who tend to get shitty when anybody on the other side of the fence tries using any brush bigger than a 000 to tar them, as a rule....

Lucylastic -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 10:23:39 AM)
did you read any of the other chaps rants??? wheres his chiding??? strange how you totally ignore what lockedaway has been saying selective chiding? how silly at least be consistant

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 11:50:19 AM)
Might I ask what any of this has to do with the topic? If you see someone break TOS and you continue a two page discussion on it, you are a part of the problem and not the solution. Some have complained that a moderator isn't around when you need one. This is an example of why that is, besides the fact that we do have lives outside of Collarme.com. If we are tied up on threads such as this, we can't be elsewhere assisting anyone. Please return to the topic, while I clean this mess.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 2:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Sedition. FBI should arrest the man today and lay charges. Anything less is simply ignoring the uptick in calls for violence from the right. Treason, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. The FBI should arrest the POTUS asap and charge him with same. Anything less is simply ignoring the U.S. Constitution. Remember you tried that with President Clinton. Didn't really work out for you did it. It's very strange that there wasn't any of this sort of talk while the chimp was invading a sovereign nation under false pretences and committing war crimes, isn't it? He was just taking after dear old dad. Although, I hear dubya couldn't play baseball for shit

submaleinzona -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 9:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Unbelievable. But thank you. You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. I don't know. I think there's good and bad in both conservatives and liberals. I was bothered more by conservatives back when Reagan was president. They were much more insufferable back then, but now, not so much.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/27/2010 11:25:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submaleinzona quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Unbelievable. But thank you. You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. I don't know. I think there's good and bad in both conservatives and liberals. I was bothered more by conservatives back when Reagan was president. They were much more insufferable back then, but now, not so much. Wait till next week. We'll make you wish it was the 80s again. [sm=dancer.gif]

Owner59 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:09:56 AM)
How ya going to do that,hold your breath?[:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. You've shown me how silly you can be in far less. Who blankets a large group of people as bad because of a single persons political view.. It`s the shared political views and behavior of cons that`s so offensive.If you don`t care to be associated,that`s your right.It`s our right to call a duck a duck. If the republican POV was so popular,why do they have to cheat,lie,and commit election fraud? Frankly,I`m glad they aren`t smelting aluminum in Kearney anymore.

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:23:12 AM)
quote: I don't know. I think there's good and bad in both conservatives and liberals. I was bothered more by conservatives back when Reagan was president. They were much more insufferable back then, but now, not so much. I personally think the whole conservative/liberal thing feeds into exactly what they want..the bickering which gets nothing done..which in turn means they have someone to point a finger to when they can't get anything done and "we" buy into it. Meanwhile they live it up and get rich from their positions all the while, "watching the walls crumble around them". It's hard enough getting something through to begin with when you have opposite views on what needs to be changed and how we should go about doing it..A constant tug-o-war goes on...sometimes I think..A dictator styled elected official might be a better way to go but then I remind myself what they do with the limited amount of power they have now..I hold back the throw-up and wash it from my mind quickly. I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to political views. Liberal on some and conservative on others and have never understood why someone would be a staunch one way or another. It reminds me of the high school club type mentalities that I've observed growing up. All in all I've read what he's said from that story and I just don't get threat or anything like that out of it..As always I think reporters will make things out to be greater than what they are for the sensationalism of it all.

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:30:03 AM)
quote: It`s the shared political views and behavior of cons that`s so offensive.If you don`t care to be associated,that`s your right.It`s our right to call a duck a duck. If the republican POV was so popular,why do they have to cheat,lie,and commit election fraud? Frankly,I`m glad they aren`t smelting aluminum in Kearney anymore. I really think we see a small percentage of behavior of "republicans" based solely on the idiots in office and a few crazies online but to paint every single one of them with the same brush is no different than doing it for any other reason to people.

RacerJim -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:32:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Sedition. FBI should arrest the man today and lay charges. Anything less is simply ignoring the uptick in calls for violence from the right. Treason, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. The FBI should arrest the POTUS asap and charge him with same. Anything less is simply ignoring the U.S. Constitution. Remember you tried that with President Clinton. Didn't really work out for you did it. It's very strange that there wasn't any of this sort of talk while the chimp was invading a sovereign nation under false pretences and committing war crimes, isn't it? He was just taking after dear old dad. Although, I hear dubya couldn't play baseball for shit Just because it didn't work out how we wanted it to with Clinton doesn't mean he wasn't just as guilty of exactly the same thing, obstructing justice by lying about and covering up what he did, as the Democratic majority Congress would have Impeached Nixon out of office for had he not resigned.

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:39:29 AM)
quote: Just because it didn't work out how we wanted it to with Clinton doesn't mean he wasn't just as guilty of exactly the same thing, obstructing justice by lying about and covering up what he did, as the Democratic majority Congress would have Impeached Nixon out of office for had he not resigned. I think every single one of them has probably done and probably will do something they shouldn't be doing..saying one party does it when the other doesn't is just as much a crock don't you think? I mean they all do it, that;s why I think there needs to be some serious governmental reform. Something that takes away the goody bags and leaves little left for them to want to be there in the first place other than a real desire to help their country. Not that there aren't good people in office of course.

Owner59 -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 9:54:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: It`s the shared political views and behavior of cons that`s so offensive.If you don`t care to be associated,that`s your right.It`s our right to call a duck a duck. If the republican POV was so popular,why do they have to cheat,lie,and commit election fraud? Frankly,I`m glad they aren`t smelting aluminum in Kearney anymore. I really think we see a small percentage of behavior of "republicans" based solely on the idiots in office and a few crazies online but to paint every single one of them with the same brush is no different than doing it for any other reason to people. Who voted for the idiots in office? It`s the leadership that`s chosen a race to the bottom,using every race baiting, fear mongering lie and trick to win elections.It comes right from the top down. If if one would like to disassociate themselves by declaring not to be down with the birthers, Islamaphobes(rich) or the fundies,let them. I think it`s fair to say that if one doesn`t call out the whackos,they are giving tacit approval.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 10:53:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Sedition. FBI should arrest the man today and lay charges. Anything less is simply ignoring the uptick in calls for violence from the right. Treason, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. The FBI should arrest the POTUS asap and charge him with same. Anything less is simply ignoring the U.S. Constitution. Remember you tried that with President Clinton. Didn't really work out for you did it. It's very strange that there wasn't any of this sort of talk while the chimp was invading a sovereign nation under false pretences and committing war crimes, isn't it? He was just taking after dear old dad. Although, I hear dubya couldn't play baseball for shit Just because it didn't work out how we wanted it to with Clinton doesn't mean he wasn't just as guilty of exactly the same thing, obstructing justice by lying about and covering up what he did, as the Democratic majority Congress would have Impeached Nixon out of office for had he not resigned. Still find it amazing. Here we sit on a site called COLLAR ME and we have dumbasses pontificating on the legalities of getting a bj. Incredible.

Icarys -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 10:55:22 AM)
quote: Who voted for the idiots in office? My point is..Which idiot do we vote for? Usually the one we think will do the least amount of damage when he's in office..No guarantees your going to get it right and the other options are don't vote..and maybe the third option which "none of us really want".

submaleinzona -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 12:21:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: submaleinzona quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Unbelievable. But thank you. You've summed up why I dislike conservatives in a few short paragraphs. I don't know. I think there's good and bad in both conservatives and liberals. I was bothered more by conservatives back when Reagan was president. They were much more insufferable back then, but now, not so much. Wait till next week. We'll make you wish it was the 80s again. [sm=dancer.gif] Actually, I do wish it was the 80s again.

submaleinzona -> RE: Is this a threat? sedition? or just posturing? (10/28/2010 1:41:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I don't know. I think there's good and bad in both conservatives and liberals. I was bothered more by conservatives back when Reagan was president. They were much more insufferable back then, but now, not so much. I personally think the whole conservative/liberal thing feeds into exactly what they want..the bickering which gets nothing done..which in turn means they have someone to point a finger to when they can't get anything done and "we" buy into it. Meanwhile they live it up and get rich from their positions all the while, "watching the walls crumble around them". It's hard enough getting something through to begin with when you have opposite views on what needs to be changed and how we should go about doing it..A constant tug-o-war goes on...sometimes I think..A dictator styled elected official might be a better way to go but then I remind myself what they do with the limited amount of power they have now..I hold back the throw-up and wash it from my mind quickly. I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to political views. Liberal on some and conservative on others and have never understood why someone would be a staunch one way or another. It reminds me of the high school club type mentalities that I've observed growing up. All in all I've read what he's said from that story and I just don't get threat or anything like that out of it..As always I think reporters will make things out to be greater than what they are for the sensationalism of it all. I'm also liberal in some areas and conservative in others, although I agree that terms like "liberal" and "conservative" have completely different meanings than they once did. For one thing, whatever was left of the conservative ideology in America was totally decimated when they were blamed for the Great Depression and had two decades of solid Democratic rule. The conservative Republican foreign policy (often called "isolationism") was also abandoned during this period, as America has had a far more activist foreign policy since World War II. There are some things about conservatism I do agree with. I think we should live within our means and not go wild with deficit spending, but the trouble is, even the conservatives haven't been doing that for a long time. Both conservatives and liberals have been looting the public treasury for decades, along with wasting the taxpayers' money every chance they get. The only difference between liberals and conservatives is where they want the money to go, but they both ostensibly believe in the "borrow-and-spend" philosophy.

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