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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:07:44 PM

fyreredsub

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she thanks you

she does not worry about those that do not like it, that is their right.
this one realizes that sizing up and judgments and impressions are in all walks of life....it is just a shame it exists in kink but people are people.
if Master and Mistress are pleased with this slave girl, then she has done well and that is all that counts ...it is what Master and Mistress thinks of her.

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fyreredsub: it never ceases to amaze this one how in the world of WIITWD that there is so much..... inacceptance for others that do not agree with lifestyle choices

fyrered,
Why? We are all judgmental. And I specifically use ALL because in this case, as apposed to those who love to begin their replies with; "all subs do..., or all couples go through..." it's accurate. Want to see judgment, look in the profiles, you can argue "hard limits" are judgement? Adultery, infidelity, threads - judgment. Why a slave or sub would solicit advice and within the question disclose more to a public forum than she/he has disclosed to their Dom/Master; in my judgment a poor reflection of the Master/Dom. The bottom line is - so what? If it weren't for judgmental posts this site would be boring!

When focus is put on any one facet of a relationship the perspective of the reader versus the perspective of the poster requires judgment. Diamonds, round ones, have 58 facets. Shown in their entirety they reflect a brilliant light. Even "flawless" diamonds have flaws. Focus on one and you can argue and judge, that you are spending a lot of money on a pretty piece of coal or carbon. It's the same with any relationship put out there under a jeweler's loop, it's normal and expected to focus on the flaws. Yet when the diamond is on the finger, most only see the brilliant light. (ok - maybe some green eyed friends with built in "jeweler's loops" will whisper behind your back but they represent the fraudulent friends and people better to avoid anyway.)

It's the same when a BDSM lifestyle relationship is put under the scrutiny of a forum "jeweler's loop". This thread focuses on one facet. To some it's a a facet flaw which is to be avoided; to other's it represents a unique characteristic. To the people who own the diamond it doesn't matter. They have all the facets to look at. If the question was; "how many slaves get '5 of the best' with a cane before bedtime"; or "how many slaves sleep on the floor" instead of Master's bed"; or "how many slaves sleep in some form of bondage"; those facets would be up to judgment too.

Accept judgment - smile at the "worse case" examples and "comparisons" sited. Be confident that the diamond you've formed from the rock of carbon requires no validation from any source that it is beautiful; and for you "flawless".

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:12:51 PM

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I stand corrected on my assumption of your gender and role.

I have always been fascinated by the various nuances of M/s-it seems so simplified overall (though I realize that is only my superficial view of it)

The insights I have gotten from various of the more articulate owned girls who post here, have been awesome to ponder. I am often amazed at thier ability to adapt to thier roles, and live in a contented and useful manner. Most modern women would simply fall apart if they had to deal with these circumstances-I will NEVER think of slaves as weak.

I realize that your status is secondary to the master of the household-yet you still rule-in your own right. I see no issue or confusion with this.

But I will be interested to also see what you and the Master of the household thinks about integration of his customs beyond the doors of your house.

(even though on pondering this issue in light of more coherent information-I find I can no longer take issue with the third person protocol-I'm still curious

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With respect,Reasonable.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:22:27 PM

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Thank you, LZ for answering the question I posted.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:28:32 PM

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Integration outside of the House does get interesting especially in the vanilla world. But in most cases there are ways that things can be integrated and still keep the slave in thier place. Most slaves I have dealt with while they may have no problem using the terms of Master or Mistress in public would have trouble with some of the other protocols that are used in the House.

We respect the boundaries of not only other Homes who may not have the same protocols as We do but also the vanilla world that sees what We do is very alien. Our slaves learn different protocols for different situations.. such as being out in a vanilla setting versus being in Another's Home or in Ours.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:38:33 PM

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Nodding........M/s situations almost always have to "fly under the radar" Outside of the home. My D/s relationships were the same-I was always discreet with respect to things beyond my personal domain.

A house represents freedom. I know that many cannot understand the concept of it's sanctuary and sanctity-but it exists as one of the few places in a hostile world, where one can let one's guard down-and simply relax into your nature.

It can be very difficult to have to rearmour oneself to set forth-but it must be done. We are not solitary islands.

So I well understand why the Gorean word for "stranger" and "enemy" are one and the same.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:53:52 PM

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Definitely an interesting conversation, I would like to continue it without boring everyone else and getting completely off topic on this thread. Is there somewhere else that We might speak?

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 4:59:18 PM

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So you use third person speech at work and in the market place and don't single out those of use in the scene to the the subject of your act. That's fine... it's only when you use third person speech only with selected nonconsenting people is it wrong.

You do do that don't you? Must confused the bagger a bit.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/27/2006 5:00:58 PM

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I won't lock you out here,like I do the rest, if you want to drop me a line about it.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/28/2006 2:49:07 AM

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*chuckles* No I can say fyre doesn't walk into Walmart with anything bared as that is reserved for Another. fyre does as she is instructed as any good slave will. Being a slave does not in any way imply that she is up for use by any Tom, Dick or Harry that happens to walk by. Goreans were actually pretty possessive of thier personal property and didn't tend to share personal girls. Gor is different for different people. I doubt very much Anyone that identifies with the Gorean lifestyle honestly believes they live on Gor or that they ride big yellow canaries called Tarns.

If 3rd person irritates You then don't have Your girls use it. As for fyre and any other slave here that uses it they are obeying thier Owners instructions as they should.

Shadoes

What I will say, is fyre's gracefulness of response throughout this topic is a credit to her. That she calmly explains, and shows devotion to her Master's wishes is a credit to her. Ignore us irritable 1st personers fyre, you truly wear your collar well.

Joe

p.s. It would make shopping at Walmart's an altogether more enjoyable experience.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/28/2006 4:40:20 AM

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...I have three questions.

How many of you, Dom* and sub alike, use it in real life? I've seen some people get very defensive about their use of it along with the explanations as to why it's used, and it made me wonder if it is, in fact, a part of their dynamic or off-line personalities.

I use third person perspective speech in my professional life. It has no place in my dynamic or personal life.

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For those whose reasoning is because they're told to use it by their Dominant, does this same order apply when speaking off-line?

Strangely, because I use third person perspective in my profession, utilizing it in my personal life would probably have disasterous results. My profession requires me to be aggressive, oppositional and argumentative. Not a switch one usually seeks to flip on in their slave.

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And finally, how many, if any, have used it in a public setting?

Not me.

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RE: For those who use 3rd person speak... - 4/28/2006 6:19:08 AM

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this girl humbly thanks you Joet

she is what her Master and Mistress make of her.they do not lower the bar for her. she strives to reach it daily.
she has the desire and heart, the rest comes from Master and Mistress (it is they that teach, care and correct.)

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*chuckles* No I can say fyre doesn't walk into Walmart with anything bared as that is reserved for Another. fyre does as she is instructed as any good slave will. Being a slave does not in any way imply that she is up for use by any Tom, Dick or Harry that happens to walk by. Goreans were actually pretty possessive of thier personal property and didn't tend to share personal girls. Gor is different for different people. I doubt very much Anyone that identifies with the Gorean lifestyle honestly believes they live on Gor or that they ride big yellow canaries called Tarns.

If 3rd person irritates You then don't have Your girls use it. As for fyre and any other slave here that uses it they are obeying thier Owners instructions as they should.

Shadoes

What I will say, is fyre's gracefulness of response throughout this topic is a credit to her. That she calmly explains, and shows devotion to her Master's wishes is a credit to her. Ignore us irritable 1st personers fyre, you truly wear your collar well.

Joe

p.s. It would make shopping at Walmart's an altogether more enjoyable experience.

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