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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 12:00:39 AM   
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"Do not cut the hair off the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Leviticus 19: 27 NIV

You got the tatoo part right ...

Also, Christians are followers of Christ .... Part of the promise of the New Testament (Christ's death and resurrection) was to set the Hebrew people free from many of the Old Testament laws. The law concerning the cutting of their hair pertained to a group of pagans in that area at that time who shaved the sides of their head as part of their rituals ...

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 12:46:41 AM   
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Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles? 
 
This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across.  The master slave love thing ok...fine.  Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral.

 
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Considering I grew up in a christian household, the only things not-christian I can think of would be:
a) sex without marriage
b) homosexual actions
c) contraception sex (and many christians disagree with this)
d) worship of the dominant

I don't recall seeing anything about Christianity being against a married woman and man engaging in kinky activities, and certainly nothing wrong with someone agreeing to serve and obey another.

What makes you think that face sitting isn't christian?
LuckyAlbatross
 
LuckyAlbatross You forgot about Poligamy.
 
And Yes We believe You can only Serve one Master
this is true.  And there is a reason behind that.

It's hard to tell a Woman she is to be Submissive. 
It's hard for alot of Woman to except that!
 
OnyxGoddess It seems that You know the Bible a little
bit. Which is good!
And You are right about
Kinky Christians being an oxymoron.
 
Those Who Do Poly and have male to male or female to female sex may call themselves a Christian, but not by The Bibles standards, or by Gods.
Not my words, His!
 
I have a Co~Worker Who is working on a sex change.
Now he feels that he is very happy being a woman.
Even though he still has male hormones inside of him.
That and the fact that,
He doesn't believe that bible says anything
about Homosexuality, or Cross dressing.
 
I found great Scriptures, showed them to him and he
still believes that God will not punish him~!
 
So Yes Kinky Christians, Poly Christians, Gay Christians,
 
Only God can and will Judge us!
 
My Minister friend was Gay for 15 straight years.
A Gay Christian, but he was always feeling empty
when he prayed.
He has since changed his ways.
 
The Bible talks about Hell if You want to call it that?
And the Bible talks about Nashing of Teeth 24/7
 
I'm still learning the Bible and it's meanings,
 
I'd be stupid to say I'm perfect.
 
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"It's not what You have when You die, {cars, houses, money}
It's what You don't have!"

 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 1:24:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess

Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles? 
 
This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across.  The master slave love thing ok...fine.  Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral.
 

I think the thing is it depends on the user, as in who's using the bible, which version, and what they intend to gleen from it. The bible is like a handy dandy little book that one can take virtually anything from it and go out into the world and do really horrible and cruel things to other human beings. "Fundies" (of all religious orientations) usually seem to find quotes or scriptures they can use to persecute, prosecute, repress, oppress, maim, torture and kill. So ascribing to that doctrine most anything sexual beyond that which is for procreation would be a sin. Of course (thankfully) very few people believe that. If people choose to take the bible in literal terms, we need to catch up on stoning some adultress's to death as we are several 100 Million's behind.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 2:49:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darq

Actually it says ...

"Do not cut the hair off the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Leviticus 19: 27 NIV

You got the tatoo part right ...



*laughs* umm.. my point was.. Do you know any  clean cut people who don't trim their side burns or the hair at their temples? 

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 2:54:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb
If people choose to take the bible in literal terms, we need to catch up on stoning some adultress's to death as we are several 100 Million's behind.


Yep.. we're way behind.. one of the scriptures in the Bible states "But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."  Matt 5:32  

So exactly how many people would still be alive after the stoning?

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 3:09:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: knees2you

Those Who Do Poly and have male to male or female to female sex may call themselves a Christian, but not by The Bibles standards, or by Gods.
Not my words, His!



Please feel free to supply examples... of His words, I mean.

As for Polygamy, there is little in the Bible that "outlaws" it.  There are a few verses in the New Testament which states that a leader in the Church should only have one wife (also says he must be above reproach as well. His children must also be well behaved.)  1 Tim 3:2, 1 Tim 3:12, Titus 1:6 

So unless you're a leader in the Church, its ok to have more than one wife.. per the Bible.. as its written.





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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 3:38:21 AM   
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anyone wanting to read some Christian perspectives that aren't full of hate might give Tom Stella, Bishop John Shelby Spong, or Phillip Gulley a look.


Hooray for John Spong!!!  If you put these other two into the same category as Spong, I'll make a note to look into them.  Let me add another name: Marcus Borg.

And Mathew Fox!!!!  He may have gotten kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church (he's now Episcopal), but his work, believing we are born out of original blessing and working with people from all the major traditions of the world appeals so greatly to me.  (Am I the only one that finds Borg earnest, and thoughtful and good, but a tiny bit boring--something I read because I ought to, but it never grabs me?
But Rumi, Jon Kabit Zinn, Tich Naht Hahn, Jack Kornfeld, Hildegard of Bingen and Thomas Aquinas are all in the same tradition, not in the same religion, but in the same sense of finding our better selves and doing so in community.

I do like Borg as well...Peter Gomes The Good Life, Bruce Bawer's Stealing Jesus... and  many of the others LadyC mentioned.... I also recommend Charlotte Joko Beck (whose writings helped me to learn to let things go a great deal).
 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 3:50:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyV

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ORIGINAL: knees2you

Those Who Do Poly and have male to male or female to female sex may call themselves a Christian, but not by The Bibles standards, or by Gods.
Not my words, His!



Please feel free to supply examples... of His words, I mean.

As for Polygamy, there is little in the Bible that "outlaws" it.  There are a few verses in the New Testament which states that a leader in the Church should only have one wife (also says he must be above reproach as well. His children must also be well behaved.)  1 Tim 3:2, 1 Tim 3:12, Titus 1:6 

So unless you're a leader in the Church, its ok to have more than one wife.. per the Bible.. as its written.








As the bible is a matter of interpretation, I think the limitation was to keep the church leader from using his position as a tool for having pick over the women. Much liked the abused power of nobles in the dark ages, prima nocte.
 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 4:05:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reading the Bible (or Qu'ran for that matter), one would think that God is either schizo, or not the type to make up his mind................. or that it is the word of many many people (not just the ones whose names are on the books, either) that have over the ages attempted to put down the word of God as they see it, or that labeled their thoughts as God's in an attempt to sway the masses.
 
I like what Thomas Jefferson did, going through the Bible to find that which resonated in his heart.
 
Wherever you find love, compassion, honesty, and courage, there you have found god, or so I believe.
 
Wherever you find hate, close-mindedness, deceit, and brutality........................
 
As for "hell"..... the fiery one that most think of........ if your God is Love perfected, and you are his children... how can you relegate the two? If a human father, full of imperfections, took his child and forced them into a boiling tub of water, we'd call him a monster.
 
It's early, and I ramble lol........have a good day all.
 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 6:20:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		For many of my years in the BDSM community i have felt like i had to hide the fact that i am a Christian, and have been told the same thing that the OP stated, how can one be a Christian and be in this lifestyle and i have tried many times to explain some of what many of you who have posted have stated so well, that there is no Biblical restriction, that the Old Testament is an old covenant which i am not under and the New Testament is about walking in love and acceptance of others. This thread has been really quite enlightening to me from the perspective that i am not a lone Christian in the BDSM community which is nice to know. (grinning) Gives me great hope of finding a Christian Master. Thank you one and all who posted as it has really touched my heart.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 6:45:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the bible is a collection of books that have been edited and is not a single book, it seems rather silly to consider it as a whole. There are parts that are known to have been written with politics in mind and the actual scholar is known, the whole idea that it is gods word starts to become absurd.

And why the hell would an omnipotent god want to spread his word through twisted prophets who obviously have deep ingrained psychological issues when he can just tell everyone individually and why did he do it a couple of thousand years ago and not now? Has he lost his power of speach?

The whole thing comes down to controling people through superstition, wanting them to be satisfied with what they have in this life with the promise of a wonderful after life while those in power enjoy this life. No thanks, I'll take this life and take my chances once I've been despatched.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 6:47:26 AM   
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 7:27:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyV

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ORIGINAL: darq

Actually it says ...

"Do not cut the hair off the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Leviticus 19: 27 NIV

You got the tatoo part right ...



*laughs* umm.. my point was.. Do you know any  clean cut people who don't trim their side burns or the hair at their temples? 



I guess that depends on what you mean by clean cut ... Because obviously my view is very different from yours.

However, once again you're picking and choosing which parts you want to use. Just as you only took verses from Leviticus that supported you, you only took parts of my post that you could poke fun at.

The New Testament is essentially a new covenant with God. The Old Testament was the first covenant between God and His people. Then Christ came and the new covenant began. Please dont pick the Bible apart to satisfy your own needs.

It is for God to judge the actions of men, not you, not me ...

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 7:30:29 AM   
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I don't refer to it as "the big book of contradictions" for nothing.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 9:46:16 AM   
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However:  Romans 12:1 (NIV)

Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship.
 
Does this mean Paul understood "subspace?"

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 9:48:20 AM   
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Okay...now this sorta makes me laugh. For a long time I've wanted to run a Christian centered sex toy store and wanted to call it ChristianKink. Then yesterday I decided maybe that I just wanted to start up an online community first with that name. I actually looked up yesterday to see if the domain was available, and while I didn't register it, I'm certainly tempted to do so soon. =)

But anyhow...Christianity is probably much different than most people believe it is. As  I'm sure people said before, Christianity is a broad term and one man's view of God/Jesus can differ greatly from another man's view. There are certainly ways to have kinks within the context of Christian-based ideaology. Now that doesn't mean all things done within the BDSM community are necessarily without what most Christians consider perversion...but they would stay away from these elements they felt were wrong. At the same time there are non religious BDSMers who feel some things are gutt-wrenching and disturbing that others practice. In general, Christian don't tend to differ much from non-christian except with the fact they believe in a salvation based on Jesus Christ (some don't even quite believe in this). Oh ya...and we're always more hypocritical. ;)


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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 11:42:02 AM   
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So unless you're a leader in the Church, its ok to have more than one wife.. per the Bible.. as its written
 
Show me where God says it is "specificly ok?"
 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 11:48:51 AM   
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Yep.. we're way behind.. one of the scriptures in the Bible states "But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."  Matt 5:32  

So exactly how many people would still be alive after the stoning?

 
Obviously, Stooning is still not around.
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I think the thing is it depends on the user, as in who's using the bible, which version, and what they intend to gleen from it. The bible is like a handy dandy little book that one can take virtually anything from it and go out into the world and do really horrible and cruel things to other human beings. "Fundies" (of all religious orientations) usually seem to find quotes or scriptures they can use to persecute, prosecute, repress, oppress, maim, torture and kill. So ascribing to that doctrine most anything sexual beyond that which is for procreation would be a sin. Of course (thankfully) very few people believe that. If people choose to take the bible in literal terms, we need to catch up on stoning some adultress's to death as we are several 100 Million's behind.


then there was the girls who cut off her hand because of what the Bible said.
 
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God said He would Separate the Sheeps from the Goats.
did He Not?

 
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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 12:40:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: darq

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ORIGINAL: SimplyV

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ORIGINAL: darq

Actually it says ...

"Do not cut the hair off the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Leviticus 19: 27 NIV

You got the tatoo part right ...



*laughs* umm.. my point was.. Do you know any  clean cut people who don't trim their side burns or the hair at their temples? 



I guess that depends on what you mean by clean cut ... Because obviously my view is very different from yours.

However, once again you're picking and choosing which parts you want to use. Just as you only took verses from Leviticus that supported you, you only took parts of my post that you could poke fun at.



As you did to me.  My point was the hypocrasy of people who use Leviticus for their own use and ignore the other verses around it.   From your posts, I think you and I agree on many areas of belief.  Though I do not understand why you felt the need to nitpick me in the first place.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 12:46:16 PM   
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As the bible is a matter of interpretation, I think the limitation was to keep the church leader from using his position as a tool for having pick over the women. Much liked the abused power of nobles in the dark ages, prima nocte.
 
Loki



Very true.  Often when reading the Bible, you need to look at what is the intent of the writing rather than the literal words.  However, when debating with someone who is using the Bible only literally, you can often run into problems getting your point across unless you approach rebuttal with that thinking in mind.

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