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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 1:01:50 PM

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Referring back to the topic starter of Christian Kink and what's wrong:

I'm young, and still, comparing myself to others, dumb when it comes to fully comprehending my religion. But I also remember being told that Sex is not something to be toyed with until marriage. Once married, have fun!
...so if one thinks Kink and BDSM is fun while married...then I don't really see how that's wrong...but like I said before I'm still learning. Maybe I'm off on this topic, but that's what I see.

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RE: Christian Kink - 4/27/2006 1:14:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Level

Wherever you find love, compassion, honesty, and courage, there you have found god, or so I believe.

Wherever you find hate, close-mindedness, deceit, and brutality........................

I agree with you on this. In the New Testament, it talks about the old law (Old Testament) and what it means.. Basically all the laws boiled down to "love".. Love God, and Love each other as yourself.

John 13:34-35 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

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ORIGINAL: TeeGo
However: Romans 12:1 (NIV)

Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship.

Does this mean Paul understood "subspace?"

*laughs* Could be. There is a lot of D/s undertones in the Bible. In many ways, (though I don't agree with the sexist stance) the approach to D/s in a sexual (marriage) relationship is the foundation of most of my Dominance style.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 9:30:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedRedWine
I'm young, and still, comparing myself to others, dumb when it comes to fully comprehending my religion. But I also remember being told that Sex is not something to be toyed with until marriage. Once married, have fun!
...so if one thinks Kink and BDSM is fun while married...then I don't really see how that's wrong...but like I said before I'm still learning. Maybe I'm off on this topic, but that's what I see.

I believe the same as you do. I'm catholic and I see it this way too.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 10:01:34 AM

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i'm a fundie, and i take it word for word literally.. but i consider that the new testament relieved us of the old law. a few quick points:

There are fundies out there who keep thier eyes on thier own papers.. i'm sorry for those who have been judged and convicted by my fellows, we really don't have that right, and i didn't get the memo where God appointed me to take over for Him.

On male dominance / female submission... hey, if the guy wants to submit to his Lady.. who says that's not legally using the right (supposedly given by God), to use his authority by deligating the job of leadership to HER? She's not usurping his authority, She's accepting it as an assignment via consent. Happy T/them!

Immoral positions? As i read it, giving pleasure to ones mate is primary. non-consent would be the ONLy thing that would preclude any positions or practices.. as non-consent is not pleasure. (although consentual non-consent is!)

Everything W/we do in BDSM, power exchange, physical Topping/bottom paly, etc is fully consistant with biblical traditions and writings, because we exchange power with consent and negotiation, with the end result the blessing of and enhancement of our partner.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 12:13:10 PM

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Not to all Bible-thumping, but the whole point of the New Testament was to prove to humans that they can't live by laws, any laws, cuz they will fuck up, so therefore the Law is no longer imposed and we live by grace.
Trying to inflict the multitudes of OT laws on people is missing the whole point of the New Testament. Sighhh..

On the other hand, I love this topic, as I seem to be one of the few Christians in a largely pagan or atheist circle.
And yes, one can be kinky and Christian.

LS

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 2:24:16 PM

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Tal and greetings

In a Historical prepective slavery and religon had some interesting connections. In the time of the Romans, slaves in a house, were permitted to practice their individual beliefs, Christians included. Jews, also had slaves...Abraham who Wife could not bare him a child as the story goes allowed him to have sex with her servant, who was a slave. It is interesting that in the Gor books this issue did not appear when a woman found herself taken to Gor and enslaved. I have never attempted to impose my belief on others even those who are slaves. As long as a person is comfortable with their beliefs this lifestyle should not be an issue, that is my view.

I wish you well

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 2:30:34 PM

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I would like to suggest to you that nothing in the Bible, up until revisions in 1965, decrees premarital sex as a sin. "Sexual Immorality" is clearly defined only as 5 things....beastiality, homosexuality, incest, sex with a married women who is not your wife, and sex with a female during her unclean time.

In fact, adultry does not probit a married man from having sex with a single female.

I realize Catholic and Christian teaching says otherwise, but the Bible is clear.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/3/2006 11:51:04 PM

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11. Thou shalt not beat thine submissive with a flogger made from pig hide?

That's only during passover...must remain kosher

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/4/2006 12:05:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess

Ok...I'm going out on a limb here and might piss some people off....but how the heck can you have a CHRISTIAN KINK connection when half of the bdsm/kink/whatever you want to call it stuff is against Christian ideals and principles?

This is the biggest oxymoron i've ever come across. The master slave love thing ok...fine. Facesititng/bootworship/pony play/anal/etc etc all that stuff is considered-deviant and immoral.

What do you think all those conservative Christians are really doing? There's a great misconception that these things don't occur in those household or that a power dynamic is not in existence. People simply do not discuss them as openly as others are willing to do. But I have found it intriguing that many people that consider themselves to be Christian or religiously inclined can understand and support yielding to one's partner. In fact, if you read the writing of Dr. Laura Schlessinger you'll see many of those tenets mentioned.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/4/2006 10:12:37 AM

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I've never been to the site, but as a Christian I can assure you there are a lot of Christians in so called alternative lifestyles. Its a hard faith to understand unless you have walked in the shoes for a while, and the first impressions that many Christians give of the faith also does not help those that are not, understand it any better. To the contrary those people often confirm stereotypes and soundbite versions of what the media and entertainment say the faith is about.

Are there inconsistencies within my life, and the faith? Most definitely ....mine and everyone's. In it's fundamental form the faith is not supposed to be a legalistic " do this, don't do that" thing. In fact Christianity is one of the world's only faiths that is not "performance based"

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/4/2006 10:54:49 PM

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Greetings, the Bible does say that the wedding bed is undefiled...which means what ever you want to do is OK........ love the comment in Analize this movie when he is counseling older couple lmao.....

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/5/2006 7:11:26 AM

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You guys should read Song of Solomons... The next time someone criticizes your sexual practices you will have some info to defend yourself.

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/5/2006 7:25:49 AM

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Yes, I love it (song of songs).
Though some of the imagery can seem strange to us today (eg your hair is as a flock of goats).

I found an interesting commentary about it here.
The article also mentions that the comparison(s) represent "petting and affectionate touching" and her breasts represent “dispensers of life and joy”.
There's more, even a vagina reference and a rather weird (well funny) drawing of this "ideal woman"!

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RE: Christian Kink - 9/5/2006 8:49:25 AM

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Somebody wrote on here:
"I would like to suggest to you that nothing in the Bible, up until revisions in 1965, decrees premarital sex as a sin. "Sexual Immorality" is clearly defined only as 5 things....beastiality, homosexuality, incest, sex with a married women who is not your wife, and sex with a female during her unclean time. In fact, adultry does not probit a married man from having sex with a single female."
This statement is correct. Other aspects of sexuality- including oral sex, bondage, etc.- and, arguably, even non-consensual sex (see the case of Tamar: the offense was not in raping her, but rather in refusing to marry her afterwards) are all acceptable though not all of these appear in the Bible. The one thing that was neglected here, however, is that if a man has sex with a single woman, a commitment and responsibility should follow, ie., she should not remain single, but he should be willing to respond for her honor and well being thereafter. If he is unwilling to do this, then he should not have sex with her. Also, it is not Biblically proper for the woman to be dominant (outside the "bedroom", though in the bedroom they have equal rights) but the man is to be the supremely dominant member of the marriage. Finally, many Christians condemn polygamy (one man with more than one woman), but Biblically it is not condemned- though one woman with more than one man is soundly condemned as adultery. There are many so-called "Christian" values which are not at all based in the Bible, and many Biblical truths which Christians ignore. A very big example of this is the popular, social rejection of one-man-multiple-women-polygamy, which is Biblical but gets wrongly rejected as fornication by Christian churches across the board.I'm currently building a website on this issue, the wrongful rejection of Biblical polygamy by Christians.

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