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Every time I was in the south for a TDY (Temporary Duty) when I was in the USAF (1977-1983)  the prevailing attitude in the more rural and suburban areas was best summed up by the following:

"Well I heard Mr Young sing about her,  Well I heard ole Neil put her down, Well I hope Neil Young will remember,  A southern man don't need him around anyhow"



Regionally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ.

Is there anyone who needs Neil Young around? whine whine whine

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Bullwhips cracking may excite many of us, but hopefully not in the sense Neil Young wrote.

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Bullwhips cracking may excite many of us, but hopefully not in the sense Neil Young wrote.

Me thinks Patrick dost protest to mucheth lol. To be honest I’m surprised no one posted up a clip of Sweet Home Alabama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWUOmk7wO0 – I’m not 100% but I think Neil himself realised Southern Man was too generalised to be fair as he was on good terms with Lynyrd Skynyrd afterward. Neil Young is an important musician but his voice let him down especially on some of the early albums like After the Goldrush which I avoid although it has some good tracks. I reckon his guitar work is too idiosyncratic to be a session musician – its limited albeit quite impressive.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: PatrickG38

Bullwhips cracking may excite many of us, but hopefully not in the sense Neil Young wrote.

Me thinks Patrick dost protest to mucheth lol. To be honest I’m surprised no one posted up a clip of Sweet Home Alabama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWUOmk7wO0 – I’m not 100% but I think Neil himself realised Southern Man was too generalised to be fair as he was on good terms with Lynyrd Skynyrd afterward. Neil Young is an important musician but his voice let him down especially on some of the early albums like After the Goldrush which I avoid although it has some good tracks. I reckon his guitar work is too idiosyncratic to be a session musician – its limited albeit quite impressive.

As a matter of fact, he took the diss in good part, and was quite a fan of Skynnyrd.
Young's taste for feedback and distortion is hugely influential, and a lot of guitarists who are (and many would admit this himself) blatantly ripping him off have done a lot of session work. J Mascis jr, Don Flemming, Thurston Moore and Chris Brokaw all spring to mind for a start. Even that dead junkie from Seattle did some session work, and he just played like Mascis with his fingers broken...

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Actually, I always find this shit about Courtney Love being responsible for the idiot dying completely repulsive. She kept the pointless waste of space alive for a good twelve months longer than he'd have lasted otherwise. It wasn't her he borrowed a shotgun off to clear his sinuses with, is it? I do wonder why the twat out of Earth never gets fingered as being culpable while the woman who confiscated all of his guns is. Vile, misogynistic horseshit.

Young was smearing feedback all over the first Buffalo Springfield album in '67, while the Velvet Underground didn't start in on that in a big way until White Light, White Heat which came out a year or two later. Saying Young got that from Reed is a bit misguided, imo. By most accounts he got the idea from John Cale talking about the work 'd done with Lamonte Young* before he started the Velvets, in any case.

*No relation.)

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Right. Jimi Hendrix and Link Wray had never done that before Reed, after all.

Cobain was a pretty lousy musician and a half decent but bland songwriter. He was also a whining, mardarsed git, which tends to lead to me feeling no sympathy for him at all. Don't even get me started on how somebody who spent most of his career whining about "corporate" bands spent the bulk of that time licking his lips whenever MTV unzipped its flies in front of him.

And apart from the use of Cale's fiddle in a rock context, there is nothing innovative about The Velvet Underground and Nico. It's 'sixties pop fluff. Most of the album might as well be b list Merseybeat.

As for Young failing to innovate, how about Trans? Or Time Fades Away? One of the main thing that distinguishes him from most of his peers is that he's always tried to do different stuff instead of keeping ploughing the same furrow. Hell, even Crosby Stills Nash And Young were ahead of their time in being a mind numbingly dull band that nobody gave a shit about, of which there are now loads...

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Neil Young is one of the most important musicians of the post war era and every serious music man appreciates his opus (if not always his twang -- but hey Bob Dylan's voice did not keep him from being a legend).

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Right. Jimi Hendrix and Link Wray had never done that before Reed, after all.

Cobain was a pretty lousy musician and a half decent but bland songwriter. He was also a whining, mardarsed git, which tends to lead to me feeling no sympathy for him at all. Don't even get me started on how somebody who spent most of his career whining about "corporate" bands spent the bulk of that time licking his lips whenever MTV unzipped its flies in front of him.

And apart from the use of Cale's fiddle in a rock context, there is nothing innovative about The Velvet Underground and Nico. It's 'sixties pop fluff. Most of the album might as well be b list Merseybeat.

As for Young failing to innovate, how about Trans? Or Time Fades Away? One of the main thing that distinguishes him from most of his peers is that he's always tried to do different stuff instead of keeping ploughing the same furrow. Hell, even Crosby Stills Nash And Young were ahead of their time in being a mind numbingly dull band that nobody gave a shit about, of which there are now loads...

Ah it seems clear you won't listen to any positive points about Cobain. Also saying the Velvet Underground and Nico isn't an innovative album is beyond daft. It is one of the most influential innovative albums of all time and many critics agree. To say Heroin, Black Angels Death Song, Venus in Furs (BTW greatest song about sadomasochism) etc are pop fluff is nuts.

You are viewing the points I made in too black and white a fashion. You implied Young was highly innovative with feedback but Reed was earlier and arguably more influential. Hendrix didn't record his first LP until a year after Reed and the Velvets had finished The Velvet Underground and Nico so it isn't fair to say Hendrix came first with feedback. Link Ray clearly was much earlier but Reed took it way further. You could say the same about Townsend being highly influential.

I never said Young didn't innovate. I really like his stuff and yes he was pretty experimental at itmes. Trans however was an abortive album where he tied to emulate the works of people like Kraftwerk with typically disasterous results. I grant you though that "Time Fades Away" is an underrated work but even Young dislikes that album as he said so himself.

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Spoken like someone who has never been south of Philadelphia.

Personally, I have been from Key West to Anchorage, Caribou ME to Phoenix and I have seen a LOT more overt racist behavior in the northern part of the country (Miami being the exception because everyone hates everyone there).

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Ah it seems clear you won't listen to any positive points about Cobain. Also saying the Velvet Underground and Nico isn't an innovative album is beyond daft. It is one of the most influential innovative albums of all time and many critics agree. To say Heroin, Black Angels Death Song, Venus in Furs (BTW greatest song about sadomasochism) etc are pop fluff is nuts.

You are viewing the points I made in too black and white a fashion. You implied Young was highly innovative with feedback but Reed was earlier and arguably more influential. Hendrix didn't record his first LP until a year after Reed and the Velvets had finished The Velvet Underground and Nico so it isn't fair to say Hendrix came first with feedback. Link Ray clearly was much earlier but Reed took it way further. You could say the same about Townsend being highly influential.

I never said Young didn't innovate. I really like his stuff and yes he was pretty experimental at itmes. Trans however was an abortive album where he tied to emulate the works of people like Kraftwerk with typically disasterous results. I grant you though that "Time Fades Away" is an underrated work but even Young dislikes that album as he said so himself.

Just to get a few things straight:
The Velvet underground's first album was released a good six months after Hey Joe. Link Wray had used feedback in the '50s. The Kinks and the Grateful Dead had both resorted to feedback earlier as well, as had most of the garage bands: the Psychedellic Prunes, the Sonics, like that. VU&N is seen as being innovative as it has a song on it about Heroin, and the dull S&M dirge you mention. That's what was an influence, not the sound of it. It should be worth pointing out, in connection to this, that the first Velvet's album has a clean guitar sound on it. The feedback is on White Light White Heat.