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RE: I am not buying it - 11/6/2010 12:59:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		His mom did eventually turn into an alcholic, all though she wasn't always. She just slowly and surely got that way after a couple of rounds of life handing her some pretty hard knocks, she's lost all her husbands to horible deaths, and was depressed and wasn't handling it and drink became her medication of choice.


Eventually it got so bad it was pickling her brain and she was presenting with what they thought was alzhimers, but it wasn't. Once she detoxed and the alchol left her system and she quit drinking she was fine. She's a senior citizen and just now in the last two years alchol free, and it only happened because she had no choice. Other wise she'd still be drinking herself into oblivion.

We're currently in therapy for couples issues and his depression, and I think it really does help. He originaly refused therapy for us both, he said you can go for your issues I'll support you in that but I will not go to talk about myself, Well obviously since we are  both in therapy that  changed.

He's also into martial arts 2 times a week, and is much, much happier now, which is a mirical almost, He's night and day, the difference its made in him.

He stll gets rather stressed and feels like flying off the handle sometimes, but I support him through it, and he quickly see's that things are not as bad as all that, and nothing here to fall apart over.


He's ready to co operate, I did get him some papers to fill out once an he stalled on it so long  because he felt like why bother, so they closed his case, But he's getting to a point where he seems to be able to handle looking around and doing something instead of hiding in a shell an letting things pile ontop of the shell till the shell cracks.
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Its my personal experience that families with a lot of depression often have a lot of alcoholics. Certainly that's true of my family. Again, just from anecdotal personal experience, refusal to seek treatment is not uncommon. Either for oneself or for one children. I spent a long time refusing it myself. Two things.

Do something.Anything. EVERY AA group seems to me to have members with centuries of dealing with government agencies, clinics, etc. Someone will know how to get a legitimate prescription, and how to get the manufacturer to fill it for free, or at least at greatly reduced cost.

Your bigger problem may be getting the depressive to cooperate. With anything.


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RE: I am not buying it - 11/6/2010 1:05:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was put into a pych hospital once, a dr who was in charge of admiting people assured me it wasn't like they used to be, loud and scary with out of control people going off and making scenes and causing a ruckass, next time someone assures me my fears of certain places being scary are not that way any more remind me not to believe them lol.

The place was just as loud and overwhealming and traumatizing as I feared and remembered them to be

They also had a guy who was known to sexually come onto every woman he could in an unlocked mixed gender ward, and he'd frequently go around to all the women begging them to fuck him and wanna jack me off an all this other stuff.  There was no way he should of been in a ward with women the way he behaved.


There was all kinds of other attrocities and poor treatments going on of patients.


I later on learned through a few people, my therapist being one of them, that the hospital they put me in had a track record of that kind of horrible treatment and handling of patients being a regular habit for them.

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Mental health clinics for the poor are over whelmed and it can take some time to get in, if you can get in at all. Then again there are stipulations and double talk.



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RE: I am not buying it - 11/6/2010 1:49:26 PM   
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He's also into martial arts 2 times a week, and is much, much happier now, which is a mirical almost, He's night and day, the difference its made in him.


Excellent. Exercise is so often so good for depression all by itself; I had never considered the additional benefit of the mental discipline required by martial arts. It sounds to me that he's very lucky to have you.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/6/2010 2:21:19 PM   
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Explain to me how a person can get health care without money or insurance. If you go to the ER because you don't have money or insurance, you are taken to court where you can lose your house if you own one and/or have your wages garnished. How does that not relate to money? Are you also saying that hospitals can't refuse to perform surgeries or provide cancer treatment to people without money or insurance? In Kansas, any non-disabled adult making over $200/month is not eligible for medicaid because they make too much money. People whose incomes are low enough to receive food stamps are told they make too much money to be eligible for medicaid.


If you PM me, I will see what I can do about finding you the low-income programs in your area.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/6/2010 2:42:45 PM   
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Excellent. Exercise is so often so good for depression all by itself; I had never considered the additional benefit of the mental discipline required by martial arts. It sounds to me that he's very lucky to have you.


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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 1:30:47 AM   
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So im just begging for wontbe or truckin or anyone to explain to me where i can go to get medical care that doesnt require insurance or money.... anyone? Anyone who can explain that to me?


Instead of getting a job with benefits, or getting the education to do so, you're begging the government to take my money by force and give it to you.
The answer, as plainly as I can express it, to the greeatest extent allowed to me by law, is: no, not that way. Be responsible for yourself.

Now, if you have an immediate, temporary need, I'll be glad to contribute. Seriously.



You dont work, do you.

Here is the funny thing. I didnt ask you for anything. I want afforable health care. But, instead of seeing a Dr before i get really sick, i have to wait. While i wait, i get sicker. Eventually, im sick enough that the ER cannot turn me away. This is where you come in, einstein. When your insurance rates increase, its because someone else didnt pay. When teh cost of that care goes up, and your out of pocket expense rises with it, its because someone couldnt get in to see a Dr and had to use the ER. Why do you think a stitch now costs almost 500 a piece? And, yeah, i know, you only pay 80%. Hell, i dont mind making you pay more out of pocket money.

As far as employer based insurance... you have been listening to the news, right?

The decline in health insurance coverage continued unabated in 2006, driven primarily by the continued erosion in employer-provided health insurance. In 2006, 47 million Americans were uninsured, up nearly 8.6 million since 2000. The rate of those without insurance has grown 2.1 percentage points during this period, from 13.7% in 2000 to 15.8% in 2006.

I truly wonder if you believe the bullshit that comes from your... fingers.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 1:36:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy, why do you bother? There is no way you will be able to find common ground with truck or willbur.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 1:39:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would put them on ignore, but they have so many sock-puppet names that ignore just doesnt work.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 4:30:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I would put them on ignore, but they have so many sock-puppet names that ignore just doesnt work.



I'm insulted. Clearly, I'm unique. And I suspect will is too.
What other names do you suspect I use, or are you just making an accusation without any grounds whatsoever?

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 11:32:55 AM   
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Avoidance is thy name. Make it your next sock puppet name too.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 2:25:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama health care is smoke and mirrors as mandating health insurance has nothing to do with being able to find affordable health care. I'm be mucho in favor of health care industry reform but providing a health insurance mandate just provides a sinecure to high dollar insurance companies.

What would do a lot is SEC regulation making it a confilct of interest for health insurance companies to be stockholders or controllers of health care provider companies. Think about it, when the insurance company drives the hospital, it is only in their best interest to keep costs spiraling upward.

And with the mess that the federal government has maid of the medicaid insurance plan foisted off on the public since 1968; who would trust them to administer a general insurance plan? The "insurance plan" that was supposed to save taxpayers money over the previous county health clinic system and visiting nurse program costs much much more than funding clinics for basic health care would. And to top it off, medicaid doesn't provide for basic health care unless you are able to work the system whereas before, you could just go to the clinic and be billed on a sliding scale.

How about the first step in a health reform bill is to take the "Health" away from the HEW bureaucracy and put it back in the hands of the Surgeon General and the Public Health Service.

Stefan

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/7/2010 10:14:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		So much smoke and mirrors that the Republicans are saying they wont get it repeald until after the 2012 elections.

http://apusa.us/republicans-plan-assault-on-healthcare-law-6263/

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 1:56:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here in Australia, it is not uncommon to read of Americans who are bankrupted because they fall ill and cannot afford their treatment. Not many of us can understand why this is allowed to occur. Most of us regard it as barbaric.

It seems that Americans pay something like 14-15% of GDP on healthcare whereas comparable countries like Australia or EU countries average about 7-8%. Australia and the EU countries have universal health care ie coverage is 100% of population. A commonly cited figure is that something like a third of all adult Americans aren't covered by healthcare insurance.

On the face of things, it seems the American cnsumer is paying twice as much for an awful lot less. My suspicion (and it's merely a suspicion) is that medicos get rich and the poor die. Why do Americans find fault with proposals to rectify this awful situation?

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 3:40:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason is crazy but it goes back to the cold war and fighting the communist. The mentality is that we will become communist if we socialize medicine. Like I said before crazy. Another reaon for this is also the influence that the AMA has and the funds which they use to keep any significant reforms from taking hold. They are not going to kill the golden goose.
I have looked into the history of the American Health Care System. Prior to medicare a one night stay in hospital was 15.00. Six month later it was 75.00. Has gone up aggresivly ever since. It now cost 5.000 for a one night stay in a hospital.

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 6:57:20 AM   
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It is indeed true that the cost is highest in the US with the coverage being the lowest, high infant mortality, medium rank in longevity, etc. But it's the business plan of choice for the insurance companies, the AMA, the mega buck diagnostic device manufacturers, the pharmaceutical companies, etc. That consideration rules above all else, no differently than other business sectors, like the financial industry, etc. The notion of wanting to interfere with any of that for sake of broad societal benefit is successfully stigmatized as  being Marxist by those unaware that any notion of broad societal benefit existed long before and after and completely oblivious to Marx. (hint; Bismark was not a Marxist) Different notion of responsibility in the US also. In many countries and to many people in this country the sense of responsibility is that citizens and businesses pay the cost of the benefits obtained from living in that society, understanding that various particular benefits/services add up to the improved society they live in as a whole, whether making use themselves of such particular benefit or service . But another strong feeling in the US is that if it does not benefit them personally and/or they personally do not want that , they shouldn't have to pay for it, broader benefit to the society they live in and enjoying advantages obtained thereby notwithstanding, and such advantage obtained while contributing as little as possible is considered in this thinking as an expression of "responsibility." 

Not to blame people who come to such understandings nor to say they are not in fact responsible thinking in general, most are as responsible in r/l as anyone. But the media here are all owned by huge cross media conglomerates and the CEOs of corporations are all board members of other corporations, etc. so all news and opinion, whatever the superficial political slant, is geared towards having the populace steered in the proper direction. Add to that the fact that most all the laws passed by the congress are in fact designed and written inside of very large and well funded "independent" or "non-partisan" think tanks.

The plan that got passed is in fact rather a mess, but the single payer plan that would have been much simpler and more effective was shot down almost right away after faint and feigned struggle, as it would have gone against the existing business model outlined above. The mess that got passed left the greatest beneficiaries of our health care system, the insurance/medical industries, having to go through some bothersome paper work changes but otherwise with profits coming out of the affair safe and sound.


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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 7:45:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is why... we spend about $665,000,000,000 per year for a military budget you spend $20,000,000,000...France and the UK about 60,000,000,000 each. Now I'd love for you to take over your own defense and while you are at it take over Europe as well... Then we here in the US can have healthcare too.

Yes I know it is our choice but if we don't do it the rest of the western world screams bloody murder...Myself I am all for building that big wall along the borders and giving the rest of the world the finger...lol …We don't need you… you are pains in the ass.

Just kidding but there is some truth in my rant is there not?

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 8:10:43 AM   
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Indeed there is, and that's one thing that many external critics overlook.

I for one am thoroughly opposed to the aggressive invasions euphemistically termed by our on-the-job media as "pre-emptive strikes," but however much distasteful it is there is no way around the most powerful nation of whatever era exerting that power on a semi-regular basis, nor the fact that if the military of such nation were too far reduced in force, the next most capable and/or aggressive would fill the void in about two seconds.

But along the lines of "responsibility" the US has the largest GDP, of which world trade contributes to greatly, and the military budget as % of GDP is not vastly above some other counties'. One can call it "protecting Europe" or wherever, but it's protecting our own interests every bit as much.

China tried isolationism and miraculously maintained a pulse for many years, but they couldn't take it anymore and it will take them a long time to get anywhere close to to realm of "developed" country.

We could close the gates, and even if able to protect ourselves militarily our standard of living would take a long slow dive.



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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 8:43:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh but you may be wrong... we expend about 4.5 percent where most other western nations are around 2... now that does not sound like a lot but 2 percent of the US GDP would be plenty of money to pay for healthcare many times over.

Butch

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RE: I am not buying it - 11/8/2010 8:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unless I'm mistaken the estimate is around 250,000,000,000 over ten years for the new healthcare reform. If we cut our military budget to 2 percent of GDP then we could pay for all ten years of healthcare in one year...peanuts.

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