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Tantriqu -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/14/2010 11:51:33 AM)

Perhaps 'no motion at the centre of the seesaw' might be the preferred metaphor?



PeonForHer -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/14/2010 12:52:31 PM)

You could be right, Tantriqu.  I'll ponder on it.  However, I think we'd better call a halt to this discussion of the puzzles of maths and physics.  It's got just ever so slightly off the subject of thread.  [;)]

(Heh.  Odd that no-one took the opportunity to say 'If you're that keen to know the answer, why not go rotate on it yourself and find out?')



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/16/2010 6:09:57 AM)

~fast reply~

I'd like to thank those who chose to respond to what I thought was an interesting topic.

It is all down to interpretation and how we choose to define something (or someone) is most definitely related to how we interprete the words used.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar....unless it's not.



daintydimples -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/17/2010 7:56:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: daintydimples
...a load of gender stereotyping...

Nu-uh, not buying your 'excuse' for agressiveness, nor your designation of men who do exactly the same thing as somehow unsubmissive. Can we say 'double standards'?

Anyone of either gender who is so embittered by the attitudes of other dominants that they can't interact with me on a calm, warm level is not someone I'd want to be with. I'm happy for us to take time to get to know each other, I'm happy to wait for you to trust me, I'm happy for you to need time to relax but if you're going to fill the room with negative energy in the name of 'protecting yourself' just in case I turn out to be an asshole then you're way too jaded for me.

And the way you seem to think there's one rule for you and another for male submissives is just ugly. Plenty of female dominants are kind of psychotic (c'mon ladies, we all know a couple of them) and just as many men have had nasty experiences as you have, honey. I won't tolerate negativity from men any more than I would from women, but at least I've got some compassion for the shit they have to deal with too.



What dimples is referring to is something I lovingly call the 'bitch shield'.

It's definitely a double standard. Doesn't make it any less real.

Her description of the differences between the male and female experience was spot on.



There are huge differences between male and female subs. I have had both; sorry, it's a fact. Are there corrolaries between the two? Sure. But my statement had nothing to do with making excuses and everything to do with realizing there are differences between male and female subs. Just like there are differences between male and female doms. Is this a stereotype? Well yes. It is a stereotype b/c so often it is true.





crazyml -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 2:58:08 AM)

Ello Peon!

Sorry for the delay in replying, been in Yank-land.

The key is that "circular motion" and "rotation" aren't the same thing, although they're related. But an object can have a circular motion of 0, and a rotation of n degrees.

Imagine a wheel with a diameter of 1 metre. We place a blob of gum on the floor and roll the wheel onto it. At the same time we fix a second blob of gum to the exact centre of the hub of the wheel.

If we then rotate the wheel so that it travels half a revolution, both bits of gum will have rotated by 180 degrees, but they'll have different circular motions.

Circular motion is the rotation along a circle, so for my purposes it's the distance each blob of gum travels around the centre of the circle (wheel).

We figure this out by calculating the circumference of the circle described by each blob.

The distance from the centre of each blob is - 1 metre for the blob on the rim of the wheel, and 0 metres for the blob at the centre.

The circular motion of both blobs is calculated using Pi x (raduis * 2) multiplied by the proportion of a full circle that the wheel has rotated - in this case 1/2.

So...

We assume Pi is 3 (to save my brain)

So now we have 3x (radius x 2) x .5

For the blob on the rim...

The circular motion is 3 X (1*2) * .5 = 3

For the blob at the centre it's 3 X (0*2) * .5 = 0

In both cases though, the gum (and even the atom at the very very middle of the gum) is now upside down - it's rotated by 180 degrees around its centre, but one has a circular motion of 0 and the other one a circular motion of 3.






coldblue29 -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 12:09:52 PM)

I believe dominance is about strength and the need to control. Dominants have a serious need to control regardless of their strength. I believe this is why some dominants like belly up subs, and some like a stronger submissive. If a dominant isn't as strong, they will like a weaker sub, a more belly up if you will. Sams and brats are a totally different thing, as they always have the need to fight the dom, I'm talking about initial responses. However, even when a strong submissive relinquishes everything, I wouldn't expect the sub to do that for every dom/domme that passes. I suppose it could be viewed as a sub who tests, but how could you respect any sub that didn't?
I know this is just my viewpoint, so, I hope not to offend anyone. And as for all the mathemathics, um, I'm not even trying to follow that ;)



PeonForHer -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 12:51:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml


Crazy,

OK.  I'm still struggling with idea of  a wheel having a circular motion of zero at its centre while simultaneously it may be spinning at full pelt when measured at the rim.  Still, your maths seems flawless - and this subject is no doubt driving people mad.  So I shall accept your explanation with thanks!



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 1:00:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: coldblue29

I know this is just my viewpoint, so, I hope not to offend anyone.

Offend....peeshaw! Thanks for sharing your opinion.

And as for all the mathemathics, um, I'm not even trying to follow that ;)

Don't worry...you aren't the only one ignoring it. [;)]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 1:45:19 PM)

Okay I have lady wood for Crazy.



PeonForHer -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/18/2010 3:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Okay I have lady wood for Crazy.


Who doesn't?  He rocks, doesn't he?  But when he rocks, is there a point near his centre-of-rock that is entirely still?

Perhaps we shall never know.



Litaforyou -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/19/2010 5:02:39 PM)

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twitchy switchy in my delicate nostrils


What is a twitchy switchy?



BonesFromAsh -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/20/2010 2:12:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Litaforyou

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twitchy switchy in my delicate nostrils


What is a twitchy switchy?


I wondered about something similar... post #35



DesFIP -> RE: Aggression and submission (11/20/2010 5:11:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: coldblue29
If a dominant isn't as strong, they will like a weaker sub, a more belly up if you will.


Actually the correlation between rebellion and the dominant isn't the dominant's internal strength but the dominant's age, usually. The same dominant who enjoyed the excuse for take down play, heavy punishment, etc when young usually gets to a point as they get older when they simply don't want to spend that much energy. They want a quieter life. We discover that life itself requires so much battling that we want peace at home.

And actually, this shift takes place in submissives also. If I have to fight in the outside world, I sure don't want to have to do that at home also.



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