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WolfyMontgomery -> RE: cooth, uncooth whose to say? (11/17/2010 1:24:14 PM)
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ORIGINAL: fellowtraveler
I am really going to have to disagree with you here. Wolves are predatory by necessity to eat. They are not instinctively cruel and live by standards very different from those human beings live by. A human predator is something very difference, they are a creature that has lost the ability to empathize.... and in my book, that makes them evil. A wolf causes pain because it needs to eat to survive, a human predator causes pain (and I don't mean consensual sadism) to innocent people out of the sheer pleasure of hurting. Not the same thing at all.
I do not believe that dominant men are predators, quite the opposite. We seek to empower our submissives by creating a world for them where they can live out their own need for submission in a safe environment. We protect them, even when we punish it is either for the erotic stimulation of the sub (and us) or to help the submissive feel the reality of the world we create for them. The dominant men that I know (including myself) are the most protective people on earth.... where we do err, it is usually on the side of smothering the submissive with too much protection and stifling her.... something I battle every day. The idea of raping a woman or forcing activity on a non-consenting woman is absolutely abhorrent to me... at least in the strategic sense. Granted, a particular (tactical) punishment may not be to her liking.... but overall (strategically) she has consented to it and continues to consent to it.... the day she does not, it would no longer happen.
While you do make valid points, I believe the difference that we see is that we have different definitions of predator. Or rather, I have one, encompassing definition, while you seem to have two different definitions - one for wild animals and one for humans.
This is basically my definition, which surrounds both that of humans and wolves and any other creature that happens to eat meat in some form.
1: one that preys, destroys, or devours
2: an animal that lives by predation
As human beings, and the fact that we as a species are omnivores, makes us predatory by instinctual nature. We survive by preying on other organisms. The thing that makes us as humans different from wolves - at least from my perspective - is that wolves don't prey on their own kind beyond pack hierarchy, and defending their turf from opposing packs or those outside the pack. Humans, on the other hand, for some reason or another (I have a feeling it has something to do with the fact that we don't need our predatory natures to survive anymore since we got grocery stores and processing plants) sometimes prey on each other.
But do we not also fight to get promotions in our workplace, or to get a better seat on the bus - or just to get ON the bus or train with the crowds of people vying for a place?
Predatory natures are natural, but at the same time we also have the intellect to know when to use it and when not to, AND the fact that we aren't *supposed* to prey on our own kind. A human being that has lost the ability to empathize isn't predatory - they just have a major social disorder. Wolves don't take any enjoyment in hurting others, neither should humans, predatory or not - Sadism notwithstanding (though that is consensual, and doesn't really apply, since the person he's hurting is enjoying it ;P). Wolves are pretty up front with their prey as to what they're going to do; they surround it, cut it off from the herd, and kill it - usually the herd has watched them watching them for hours before they pick their prey, they know what's going on, and they're prepared for it. I like that sort of attitude in a human - he is up front with what he wants, he watches to see the one that he wants and then takes her in the honest "I picked you, I surround you, you're mine." The difference there between wolves and humans is that wolves pick the weakest member of the herd to go for (and the herd knows it too), while humans tend to pick the one that consents to and wants their attentions and ownership - or *should*, in my opinion.
And of course, a rapist is a sexual predator, which when you add that naughty little word in front of the term predator makes it a wholly different thing. Being predatory by nature does NOT condone rape, at least in my opinion.
And that's pretty much what I meant by the "Nasty" predators (who eat for pleasure, greedy with what they have, view their own *kind* as prey) and the "Normal" predators (who eat to survive, defend their own territory without stealing others, view their own kind as competition or family rather than prey). And it is the nasty ones we notice more, since very few people like them. Not to mention the "normal" ones aren't noticeable often, since they're your average, day to day person more likely than not.
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