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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 1:16:11 PM

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There is always a choice. Realistic or not is a moot point.
It is an important concept for the majority of slaves because if you well and truly had no choice at all you would be bound to your Master/Mistress even if they decided to kill you. There are some M/s relationships that are indeed that extreme, but they are rare.

Most slaves have boundaries, the fact that they stay with a Master who respects and/or shares those same boundaries is a choice they make. It is the slaves consent to give up most or all of their choices that gives a Master his power. You can say what you want about the Masters ability to be a Master, but if the slave is not willing that will mean nothing. The only power one can have over the unwilling is violence, blackmail, and coercion... those are not the traits most willing slaves are looking for.

Any slave may choose to leave a Master whenever they see fit, that is the fundamental choice any slave keeps for themselves. Talking about if they would actually exercise that right, or even think of it due to fear of consequences is just muddying the issue. If they get to that point it is no longer a Master/slave dynamic, it is an Abuser/Abused dynamic and is now about the abuser controlling the abused in an effort to keep them subservient to him. They still have the choice, but they are often too afraid of using it.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 3:29:17 PM

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Nothing is ever absolute in life, so an exception does not disprove a rule. With the right training, and process of Internal Enslavement, the ethics and morals of the owner are now substituted for that of the slaves. There was no error, just not a disclaimer of "this is not an absolute, especially in extreme cases of lose of limb or death". Maybe all posts should come with disclaimers, just like all the idiotic disclaimers now on products, or we can not assume something that is not evident.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 4:17:26 PM

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There is always a choice. Realistic or not is a moot point.

By this line of reasoning, if I hold a gun to Carol's head and demand a blowjob, that's perfectly fine, right? I mean, she has a choice. She could say "Hell no" and let me shoot her in the head. Or, perhaps, the woman who is abused by her husband over the course of decades... obviously, she must've wanted it since she chose it, right?

Personally, I find the topic of choice and consent to be quite a bit more nuanced than this.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 4:23:06 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: SpaceSpank
There is always a choice. Realistic or not is a moot point.
By this line of reasoning, if I hold a gun to Carol's head and demand a blowjob, that's perfectly fine, right? I mean, she has a choice. She could say "Hell no" and let me shoot her in the head. Or, perhaps, the woman who is abused by her husband over the course of decades... obviously, she must've wanted it since she chose it, right?

Personally, I find the topic of choice and consent to be quite a bit more nuanced than this.

You would need to read the rest of my post then. It is valid that she has a choice yes, but no that situation is probably not OK as it would violate the trust in your relationship. Having a choice does not automatically make something right.
Of course, for some people, a situation like that may simply be part of their play, or even tame.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 4:27:24 PM

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By this line of reasoning, if I hold a gun to Carol's head and demand a blowjob, that's perfectly fine, right? I mean, she has a choice. She could say "Hell no" and let me shoot her in the head. Or, perhaps, the woman who is abused by her husband over the course of decades... obviously, she must've wanted it since she chose it, right?

Personally, I find the topic of choice and consent to be quite a bit more nuanced than this.

I think your logical reasoning ability is a little off here. Where did right and wrong come into his statement? Did I miss something in the last post he made?

He simply says there is a choice. It may be a shitty alternative but it's still a choice.

I'm a firm believer in internal enslavement..You may get a person to the point where the alternative is something they do not wish to happen or is even out of the conscious realm but there is pretty much always a choice.

I mean if you knock her over the head, tie her up and then slide a spider bit in her mouth then she may not have a choice as to whether she can blow you now...She can't bite ya...She can't run away and she can't struggle to a point where she makes her choice manifest.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 4:35:32 PM

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I'm sorry but the mere idea in the back of a persons head that they could leave whether it's brought to the forefront..Meaning they know they live in a free society...means for them..there is always a choice.

Even if they choose to denounce that choice internally or externally...consciously or subconsciously.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 4:59:47 PM

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All aboard the logic train...Wooooooo Wooooooooooo

First stop!!!! Wake the Fuck Up Station!

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 6:54:33 PM

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I actually used to think that I had a choice no matter what. Now, with my Dom, I'm not so sure. I absolutely have a choice of whether or not to leave him if he does something absolutely terrible (like telling me to kill someone), but like Jeff pointed out, it takes an enormous amount of willpower for a submissive person to want to go against the wishes of the dominant person they've chosen to submit to if the Dom isn't doing anything dramatically immoral. Now, if I was truly unhappy, my Dom wouldn't force me to stay with him, but as long as he wants me I actually am not entirely sure I could leave voluntarily, and not leaving means I will obey him, regardless of whether I want to or not.

Now, I know that sounds a bit questionable, but here's the thing: as long as he continues to adjust slightly to accommodate the growing I'm doing as a submissive and person, rebelling against him and/or leaving him would seem completely irrational. I mean, I love him, and that's probably the deepest part of all this, but even if I didn't, and for some reason he wanted me to keep being his, I'm positive he could arrange the situation so that the door out looked a lot less appealing than remaining at his feet. And if he couldn't do that, he would arrange the situation so that I couldn't see a door at all. And if he couldn't do that, he would just tie me up and whisper things in my ear until I collapsed in submissive ecstasy and changed my mind. It would take a lot more than "consent" to get him to let me go. And I hope he never does.

Hopefully I don't sound like a total helpless doormat now. I keep getting deeper into this damn submissive thing and it's completely changing everything I insisted was rigidly true about myself, like all the "bedroom only" submissive stuff I used to say. We'll see how long it takes me to be a complete 24/7 slave

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 7:23:16 PM

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"Oh! What a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive!" (Ourselves included.)

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 8:34:33 PM

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even though the thought of leaving may be hard, hell it may even seem damn near impossible to you but in reality unless he has you bound and gagged or drugged or has broken both of your legs or you're mentally challenged, then you still have a choice.

The thought of leaving Master seems like a dreaded thought to me but I also am aware that he would not want me around if I was unhappy with him. Why make both of us miserable?

I've had to make a lot of difficult decisions in my life even at times when I felt like I couldn't or wasn't given that option but I still did.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 8:45:39 PM

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Seems people think the reality of all situations, are dependent upon their own personal experiences. There are those that are trained and conditioned in such a way that they no longer have a choice. Does it really take someone cutting off a limb, or as drastic to realize this? I know because I have seen it, but I likely would not have believed it without my experiences, so I understand those that do not believe it can occur.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 9:01:22 PM

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Or, perhaps, the woman who is abused by her husband over the course of decades... obviously, she must've wanted it since she chose it, right?

Personally, I find the topic of choice and consent to be quite a bit more nuanced than this.

I think they're more nuanced, too.

That said, I once was a woman who was abused by her husband over the course of decades. Talk about your head being totally fucked up. Natural logic no longer comes into play.

However, one of the most important things that came out of my therapy was realizing that, for some reason, it was ok with me to be treated like that - or I would have left. There were a lot of hours of therapy after that, as I worked on figuring out why it had been ok with me, and understanding the changes I needed to make within myself so that it wouldn't happen again. I had to take accountability for my choice to remain there. Because, ultimately, it was my decision. It took me a few years to realize that, though.

In fact, when I came to realize that was around the time I knew I needed to get out of my enslavement to my former owner, but couldn't. Emotionally, I couldn't. I was holding fast and hard to my belief that a slave is subjected to whatever her master puts on her, even if it's harmful. I hated the situation, but I fully believed that he owned all of me, and if that meant living the rest of my life in misery, then that's what I would have to do.

So I "get" feeling like you don't have a choice, even if you do. It's just more complicated than saying "You have legs to walk away, so go." Mentally, emotionally, spiritually, the messages you receive, tell yourself, and believe, can truly captivate you to never be able to walk away, even if you should.

Because of the rebuilding I had to do after that relationship, it probably isn't possible for me to put myself into such a situation again, but I do understand it. It's a choice, yes, but you can be completely blind to it. I have had to take ownership of myself back before. Now I know I can do it again, if necessary, and I don't need to be pushed out of a relationship to do it.

I believe there is a choice. I also believe we can emotionally never be able to bring ourselves to make it. Or like me, take 20 years to be able to.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 9:23:07 PM

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quote:

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Seems people think the reality of all situations, are dependent upon their own personal experiences. There are those that are trained and conditioned in such a way that they no longer have a choice. Does it really take someone cutting off a limb, or as drastic to realize this? I know because I have seen it, but I likely would not have believed it without my experiences, so I understand those that do not believe it can occur.

I was trained and conditioned as such, and when the choice came between my life and leaving my survival instincts DROVE me to leave.

While you may be a master not even you are strong enough to completely rewire someones dna down to its very core to override their will to survive.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 9:50:29 PM

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In these discussions, I can't help but wonder if there are some that simply have not experienced a person in their lives that carried the necessary level of attraction and overall personality to hold them with little to no effort. There are people who enter our lives that we cannot shake a connection to regardless of what happens. I will say they are rare and a lot of people never experience it. Even a lot of people saying that they cannot conceive of leaving their dominant partner still put disclaimers on that (if he asked me to do something illegal, hurt me in x way, etc). It doesn't wind up working this way with these people and it doesn't matter how one relates to the rest of the world. These people are NOT the rest of the world. They stand out in your life and they are special in the impact and sway they have.

That's why it's so important to be careful with whom you are keeping company. You never know when one of these people are at your door. If they are good, decent people, then that influence on your life will be a breath of fresh air and lead to self improvement and higher quality of life. If not, the consequences are simply incalculable. I don't tell those I love to choose wisely. I tell them to mind the company they keep wisely. At some point one of those companions can become not so much of a choice and can either be a great asset or a huge liability.

There just comes a point in some relationships where they aren't expendable or escapable anymore. They mean too much or there's no way out or both. It was pretty easy to bring me to this point simply because I am not one that looks for ways out. Intimate relationships are committed ones and that means not fumbling for the escape hatch handle. All he had to do was be someone I could not replace and couldn't see myself without. He did it and did it well. There is no if's and there is no choice. There is simply I would be lost in a way I can't even describe without him. He has a definite hold over me. That IS this mastery thing of which we speak (part of it anyway). He knows how I work and which buttons to push to get the response he desires. He knows how to keep me thinking about him or an idea he places in my head. He knows how to increase my longing for him. He also knows how to unshackle me if he so desired. Only when he chooses to do so will I be "free". The only caveat to this is that I may change in ways over time that decreases that mastery and leads me to being able to walk away if I chose, but if we have maintained our relationship properly, then this should never happen. We will have grown TOGETHER and not apart.

On the question of those "ifs" some brought up, there is one huge piece of the puzzle missing. WOULD your dominant partner ever ask those things of you in the first place? Are they the kind of people that would make such a clearly poor decision? Then why posit it at all? I keep good company and out of that good company emerges the one I choose to follow and it stands to reason that this person would then, in fact, be a good person. So...If he asked me to do something that sounded of the rails, I obey so far as my trust allows. Everyone has a breaking point. At the same time, if I honestly know my partner would not ever ACTUALLY want me to do this thing or that he would never want me to ACTUALLY have to bear the consequences of an action, then I know he will intervene when he has gotten what he wants from the exchange and before I have completed or suffered consequences from doing as told. Self discipline, making good decisions in the first place, and trust are the factors. It has nothing to do with the command provided one has these three firmly in place. I don't need a choice if I did the hard stuff in the beginning.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 9:53:59 PM

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quote:

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Hopefully I don't sound like a total helpless doormat now. I keep getting deeper into this damn submissive thing and it's completely changing everything I insisted was rigidly true about myself, like all the "bedroom only" submissive stuff I used to say. We'll see how long it takes me to be a complete 24/7 slave

That's pretty much what happens when any of us fall in love. I've done a lot of things for girls that I never expected.

It wasn't that bad, really. That's how I ended up learning how to dance.

Anyway, you can prolly go in as deeply as you want and still be confident in having a tiny bit of choice if you remember independant thought simply requires alone time. If your Dom is smart enough to not give you any alone time, then you really have no choice.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 10:04:53 PM

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Surrender is by ongoing free choice from self will. One cannot transfer their power, only the authority to exercise it. In a free society, no person ever loses their power and right to freely choose. When another injures such power and right, that is abuse, actionable violence.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/15/2010 11:31:08 PM

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Surrender is by ongoing free choice from self will. One cannot transfer their power, only the authority to exercise it. In a free society, no person ever loses their power and right to freely choose. When another injures such power and right, that is abuse, actionable violence.

Greetings aldompdx:

I agree with your thoughts on the subject of surrender. I have come to believe that surrender is an ongoing process of free will that is transformed into obedience by an individual who chooses such. I would also add, to freely surrender implies a total letting go of the human will’s attachment to the ego and self will, if but for a moment in time.

However, to force someone to abandon their autonomous selfhood i.e. individuality by way of coercive mental persuasion, thus extracting their personal power by way of dismantling their free will, is devoid of mutual authentic bonding. When this sort of mental coercion occurs, over a period of time, there is a tendency to break down any resistance, thus willfully forcing another human being to become less than another within their own mental faculties, thus falsely calling the outcome to be a form of natural servitude.

This pseudo form of inverted influence over another human being is nothing at all which resembles sane, safe or healthy bonding for the individual who is being coerced into unconscionable acts against ones own humanity. When this unhealthy interpersonal dynamic occurs it is may be identified by some as natural servitude etc.. Nonetheless it is merely a form of abuse toward another human being who is usually deemed as weaker or less than capable to mentally defend themselves, thus a perfect mark for someone who is inclined to have proclivities toward tyrannically controlling another human being, for a variety of reasons.

Never is anything that resembles such dynamics a free will expression of the beauty that is inerrant in freely surrendering the ego unto the center and circumferences of ones own free will choice to totally let go of the ties that bind the ego unto the human will. When this sort of free will surrendering is chosen it can bring forth a cathartic internal freedom like no other act known to humanity. However without a foundation of love and trust intact, to surrender unto another human being is likely to cause irreparable mental harm.

Just a few thoughts I thought to share with you, having read your entry with great interest, as usual. Good to “see’ you again on the Message Boards, my friend.

Take good care!

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/16/2010 12:53:31 AM

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Please note this is a fast reply :)

Taking the murder mention and spinning it around a little :) Saying that I technically have the choice of staying with my Owner, is like saying you choose not to commit murder. Is it a choice? Yes. People choose not to kill their exwhatever all the time. How many actually think it's a possibility though? I mean they could, technically do it, but do they actually consider it a choice? Or is it simply something that is accepted as not in the realm of plausible consideration? Do you choose, actively, as in you really believe it's a choice, to not rob a bank? (Obviously if we have any bank robbers or murderers here this doesn't apply to them! Just ignore that line and go about your plotting

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Choice is a perception and we all have choices that while technically, somewhere, in the back of your head, you know exist, don't actually get regarded as choices at all. Do you choose to make money? Or to deal with your dying parents that made you crazy all your life? You could choose not to do either of those, and yet, really, is it a choice? Do you recognize that you choose to live today verses killing yourself? It's a choice. Is it an active decision? Are they things you even are aware of choosing? Could you be driven to any of those? Sure. Could I be driven to leave my owner? Sure. It's just as likely though as you (whoever you are) to decide that you are going to burn down your local grocer. They are choices that do not present, in your head, as a choice, that would only become active decisions if something set your world upside down.

I chose to be with my Owner in the beginning. I chose a man I felt would probably not wish to decapitate me at some point in time... I admit, I am silly that way. Every other choice, hard limit, what have you, has fallen by the way side. If you want to say because I chose an Owner who wasn't into amputation that I do have limits and simply picked a Man with similar limits, knock yourself out. Of course, you are ignoring every other thing I do daily that I never thought I would, but okay, I'll give you that, ridiculous as it is, I'll giveit to you. I'll give you that today I choose to not kill anyone, including me, not to rob a bank, not to light my house on fire, and to stay with my owner... those choices are all about on par with each other :)

I also admit that I speak from a place of happiness. I do countless things I don't like, I do things I never thought I would, I'm debased in ways I would have thought I'd never accept. Yet, so far, he has sucked me in so totally that I simply find a way to wrap my mind around what he wishes, accept it, and find great joy in serving him (even when it's terribly difficult). If he were to lose the ability to bend my brain into seeing what he wishes it to see, then perhaps I would find my world upside down, set the house on fire, rob a bank, and run for the hills.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/16/2010 4:22:58 AM

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Your comment only proves my statement. In your situation, your survival instincts kicked in to over ride whatever was going on. This does not happen in all cases, and it is a very small percentage that does. It does not take extremes to disprove the fact that certain processes that utilize the emotions and psychology of a slave, can remove their ability to choose as a realistic alternative.

Research into Stockholm Syndrome reveals how some of this has and does occur.

This really is a tangent though, since the situation is highly unlikely to ever arise. So if we move the discussion back to the viable and more probable areas that a slave may have the alternative of choice or active consent, would likely shed more light on this.

Internal Enslavement processes are not designed to create someone that would die upon command, but to create the mentality within a slave, that makes them more obedient, compliant and happy in their slavery.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

~FR~

Seems people think the reality of all situations, are dependent upon their own personal experiences. There are those that are trained and conditioned in such a way that they no longer have a choice. Does it really take someone cutting off a limb, or as drastic to realize this? I know because I have seen it, but I likely would not have believed it without my experiences, so I understand those that do not believe it can occur.

I was trained and conditioned as such, and when the choice came between my life and leaving my survival instincts DROVE me to leave.

While you may be a master not even you are strong enough to completely rewire someones dna down to its very core to override their will to survive.

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RE: Choice As A Slave - 11/16/2010 4:30:11 PM

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I understand the concept of TPE, but there was an idea expressed that once a woman becomes a slave, her choices are no longer her own because she is a slave.

Now the choice may ultimately come down to either obeying or choosing to leave the relationship, but that is a choice in a consensual Master/slave relationship.

Greetings Aislyn,

I think there's a propensity to generalize where the subject is concerned and to make the errant assumption that we each process and/or relate in a certain manner. I can honestly admit I understand the idea of questioning, though in truth it is in opposition to what I think and feel within. It feels foreign and leaves me emotionally unsettled. When I begin to ponder it means something is awry and I'm moving away from the simplicity of being tethered and returning to an independent mindset. However, I don't feel that's inappropriate for everyone. And I can't say blindly obeying is right for each person either.

I've struggled in the past and the idea of choice can become very blurred. Having known that place I can attest that behaving in opposition was truly unthinkable. In the rare moments it occurred there was always some form of internal fallout. Although the rubber band stretched I always returned to the 'correct' state of mind because that was where I believed I belonged or what had been impressed upon my mind (consciously and subconsciously) by the other party.

Choice as articulated in your opening statement would suggest that the kneel is being ratified in a fashion through a conscious decision to acquiesce. However, in my opinion once the decision has been made it is unnecessary (for me) to reiterate it through my words or deeds. What follows would involve a lessening of the ability to exercise authority and demonstrate the power it involves. This doesn't mean that everything is ceded all at once, but it does reflect some inherent need to let go and allow the other person to have His way without interference of any sort on my end.

In many respects I found that state of being comfortable and normal. It instituted an element of peace and certainty that I've never known. However, as with most things there's a price and that level of vulnerability and unquestioning trust has its pitfalls. I'm uncertain if I can consistently function with the questions or if it would be in my benefit to veer in the other direction. It's quite the downward spiral and one that's very difficult to reverse.

Namaste,

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