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People do you remotely understand what mastery does? Its a concept of taking of autonomy. If a Man is THAT capable of actually mastering a woman he can in fact take her autonomy completely. You do realize there is a HUGE difference between the slavery a slave is held in and the mastery? You do realize that slaves don't lose their intelligence just because the concept of choice because of the mastery becomes moot to her? You do realize that a woman CAN be disobedient and the concept of choice because of the mastery is STILL MOOT?
Ahh NOW I'm getting you.
Autonomy. The state of being independent. Freedom of discretion. Self governing. Right. Totally agree. When I was my ex's slave I was emotionally dependent on him. He decided everything. I had no freedom to make my own decisions within the relationship. I absolutely get it.
However, somewhere in my core, I knew that somewhere in my humanness, even if I couldn't see it or feel it, I could find the capability to make certain choices. Somewhere it was in there. It was just really and completely shrouded by his rule over me.
It actually did come to a point for me, where I had to choose whether or not I should remove myself, since the situation had become terribly unhealthy for me. I grappled with it, sweated over it, cried a million tears over it, lost many nights of sleep because of it, but the choice to leave was something that would have ripped my heart out. I couldn't deal with it. I chose to stay. It was a choice. It was the easier of the two choices.
In the end, though, he decided it was in my best interest to let me go. He chose, because I would not. It's only in retrospect and through a lot of introspection that I realized it was a choice for me to stay. It was the only choice I saw possible given my frame of mind at the time, but it was still a choice.
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Its not about choice, its about autonomy, its about his being able to master her until the point she no longer holds her autonomy. It is far deeper and pretty much distinct from the actual practicing of the slavery he has determined for her.
I agree, there comes a point where she no longer holds her autonomy. That does not mean, however, she is not capable (somewhere in the deepest depths of herself) of taking it back, if she needs to. I realized this after some things I went through. And I had to come to terms with thinking I would have failed myself had I done that. Because I see now, I wouldn't have.
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A woman is still fully capable of making decisions based upon the slavery, however, she no longer has the autonomy to determine how she herself will exist in his life. Which is why IF she is mastered and he holds her autonomy, she doesn't have the self-determination to leave. ITS NOT a bad thing. Its not a GOOD thing, it just IS how she exists.
Bingo. She doesn't have the self determination to leave, so she chooses to stay.
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Once the mastery is gone or he allows her even part of her autonomy back, she is in fact capable of being self-determining and she may have enough self-determination to leave the relationship.
Also agreed. And that mastery can go away, even while he still owns her. This is what I failed to see in my own past relationship.
I'm getting what you're saying here. We were looking at it from different angles.
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MOST women never get to the point they fully lose their autonomy, but many of us have. We existed or exist SOLELY by his determination. Until such time his mastery is taken back enough to give back autonomy. There aren't a lot of women i have seen who reach this point because most men are incapable of doing it and/or some simply don't wish to hold all of her autonomy because its a lot of work and takes a lot of skill and its not linear. He also has to be able to maintain it for it to feed both of their needs.
Again agreed. And if he slips, and continues to slip, then he begins to lose that mastery. She is still enslaved to him, because that is what she knows. But if she looks hard enough, she'll see a light shine on the autonomy that very slowly becomes hers for the taking, if she chooses it. In my case, the concept of choosing it was overwhelming, so I looked away.
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I know its a scary concept for some. But for others, its perfectly a great way to exist in a man's life. It doesn't mean she is never disobedient or she doesn't get to a point sometimes when she THINKS she wants to leave, or she doesn't have hard days or he doesn't. ITS LIFE. Life most people couldn't distinguish as odd.
The problem comes when those bad spells become the norm. She may end up realizing that leaving means surviving. That's when it becomes her choice to leave or stay.
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Seriously people you are THINKING about this way to much, its NOT that deep. Its a concept wherein choice becomes moot, its that simple and for many lol that complex. Its not for everyone, but then again not everyone can achieve it.
I think it's quite deep, actually, and rather fascinating. If everything's great between them, if both are thriving, if needs are being met all around, then no, life just goes on and no one has to think about it. But if things break within the relationship, particularly if his mastery of her begins to crack, then it can be the most agonizing experience of a lifetime.
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Is a person responsible in this type of relationship? Who knows, it never was a concern in MY relationship. Hell half this stuff people talk about with M/s blows my mind because it never came up in my relationship. I simply lived life, my life was being his slave. People have to take stuff so simple and make it complicated.
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It's not so simple when faced with self survival because the master isn't doing what he should and the slave is conditioned to believe she can't leave.
I'm glad you wrote this post. Thanks for this insight.
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