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Actually I find it an incredibly interesting post RealOne and of course it matters!
Our governments want a robotic state that lives in oblivious bliss, because that way, they can use every individual (even new born babies) and every individuals property and land for calateral. When money is borrowed, its borrowed on our heads, our land and our property.
Of course our governments know about this. How else could they keep borrowing? The problem with any sort of borrowing is, it always has to be paid back and we are the suckers that are expected to pay it back!
So the government borrows money on us as individuals and we get the tax not only removed from our salaries but also on just about everything we purchase. They borrow on our houses and our land and the 'so called owners' have to pay it back at a ratable value and inheritance tax.
I think the last time I looked, the English government use every British citizen as calatrel when borrowing and that our worth, including infants is £77,000 per head and the American government $44,000 on every US citizen including infants and thats before they have even started on our land or our property.
But lets not blame 'Henry 7th' because as an independent country, you had every right to change things. Your government just chose not to.
Actually it is in our culture now driven in for centuries. So as long as we can fully make use of occupy or otherwise make a profit in an exchange of fee simplefee simple ownership and that contains all of the benefits and burdens of ownership (courts) then the state's allodial ownership becomes essentially irrelevant.
What burdens are you talking about? Contracts? Something like I agree with the STATE OF XYZ that I will pay all taxes in accord with political and legislative whim?
ownership then it will never matter. When 'free' person can acquire quote:
ALLODIAL allodial (-loh-dee-l), adj. Held in absolute ownership; pertaining to an allodium. Cf. FEUDAL. - Also spelled alodial. - allodially,adv. "The term 'alodial' originally had no necessary reference to the mode in which the ownership of land had been conferred; it simply meant land held in absolute ownership, not in dependence upon any other body or person in whom the proprietary rights were supposed to reside, or to whom the possessor of land was bound to render service. It would thus properly apply to the land which in the original settlement had been allotted to individuals, while bookland was primarily applicable to land the title to which rested on a formal grant. Before long, however, the words appear to have been used synonymously to express land held in absolute ownership, the subject of free disposition inter vivos or by will." Kenelm E. Digby, An Introduction to the History of the Law of Real Property 11-12 (5th ed. 1897).
ALLODIUM A Black's Law Dictionary (8th ed. 2004) , Page 236 236 allodium (-loh-dee-m), n. An estate held in fee simple absolute. - Also spelled alodium. - Also termed alod; alode. [Cases: Estates in Property 5. C.J.S. Estates §§ 11-12.] "In this country, one who has full ownership of land is said to own it allodially - that is, free of feudal services and incidents." Thomas F. Bergin & Paul G. Haskell, Preface to Estates in Land and Future Interests 18 (2d ed. 1984).
Now peeps here you go!
There is an extremely and I do mean extremely subtle distinction between allodial and allodium.
This is a great demonstration of how the sneeky wabbits fuck you over...
Now lets look at fee simple:
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FEE SIMPLE fee simple. An interest in land that, being the broadest property interest allowed by law, endures until the current holder dies without heirs; esp., a fee simple absolute. - Often shortened to fee. - Also termed estate in fee simple; tenancy in fee; exclusive ownership; fee-simple title; feudum simplex. [Cases: Estates in Property 5-7. C.J.S. Estates §§ 11-14, 20-21.] "[Fee simple] is a term not likely to be found in modern conversation between laymen, who would in all probability find it quite unintelligible. Yet to a layman of the 14th century the term would have been perfectly intelligible, for it refers to the elementary social relationship of feudalism with which he was fully familiar: the words 'fee' and 'feudal' are closely related....
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FEALTY fealty (feel-tee orfee-l-tee).Hist. In feudal law, the allegiance that a tenant or vassal owes to a lord. - Also termed feodality. "There was the possibility that if the entire top layer of the structure revolted, the king might be deprived of all support. To meet this possibility, the king also bound directly to himself all the important men in the lower strata of the [feudal] structure by an oath of loyalty. This was particularly effective for in medieval times the oath of fealty had all the sanction of the church, and in addition due to the necessity for feudal organization in times of disorder, had also a popular sanction in public opinion so that the man who broke his oath to his lord was one of the most execrable men to be found in the whole social organization." Charles Herman Kinnane, A First
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The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an oath of loyalty to the national flag and the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Francis Bellamy in 1892. The Pledge has been modified four times since then, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954. Congressional sessions open with the swearing of the Pledge, as do government meetings at local levels, meetings held by the Knights of Columbus, Royal Rangers, Boy Scouts of America, Girl Scouts of the USA, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Freemasons, Toastmasters International and their concordant bodies, other organizations, and many sporting events. The current version of the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[1] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. According to the United States Flag Code, the Pledge "should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute".[1]
All land owners in the united states had to be citizens of the united states to acquire land in the northwest territories.
The estate in fee simple is the largest estate known to the law, ownership of such an estate being the nearest approach to ownership of the land itself which is consonant with the feudal principle of tenure. It is 'the most comprehensive estate in land which the law recognises'; it is the 'most extensive in quantum, and the most absolute in respect to the rights which it confers, of all estates known to the law'. Traditionally, the fee simple has two distinguishing features: first, the owner ('tenant' in fee simple) has the power to dispose of the fee simple, either inter vivos or by will; second, on intestacy the fee simple descends, in the absence of lineal heirs, to collateral heirs - to a brother, for example, if there is no issue." Peter Butt, Land Law 35 (2d ed. 1988). "Fee simple.Originally this was an estate which endured for as long as the original tenant or any of his heirs survived. 'Heirs' comprised any blood relations, although originally ancestors were excluded; not until the Inheritance Act 1833 could a person be the heir of one of his descendants. Thus at first a fee simple would terminate if the original tenant died without leaving any descendants or collateral blood relations (e.g., brothers or cousins), even if before his death the land had been conveyed to another tenant who was still alive. But by 1306 it was settled that where a tenant in fee simple alienated the land, the fee simple would continue as long as there F Black's Law Dictionary (8th ed. 2004) , Page 1836 1836 were heirs of the new tenant and so on, irrespective of any failure of the original tenant's heirs.
Thenceforward a fee simple was virtually eternal." Robert E. Megarry & M.P. Thompson, A Manual of the Law of Real Property 24-25 (6th ed. 1993). fee simple absolute.An estate of indefinite or potentially infinite duration (e.g., "to Albert and his heirs"). - Often shortened to fee simple or fee. - Also termed fee simple absolute in possession. [Cases: Estates in Property 5. C.J.S. Estates §§ 11-12.] "Although it is probably good practice to use the word 'absolute' whenever one is referring to an estate in fee simple that is free of special limitation, condition subsequent, or executory limitation, lawyers frequently refer to such an estate as a 'fee simple' or even as a 'fee.' " Thomas F. Bergin & Paul G. Haskell, Preface to Estates in Land and Future Interests 24 (2d ed. 1984). fee simple conditional.An estate restricted to some specified heirs, exclusive of others (e.g., "to Albert and his female heirs").*The fee simple conditional is obsolete except in Iowa, Oregon, and South Carolina. - Also termed general fee conditional; conditional fee. [Cases: Estates in Property 7. C.J.S. Estates §§ 13-14, 20-21.] "The reader should be careful not to confuse this estate with estates having similar labels, such as the 'estate in fee simple subject to a condition subsequent' ...." Thomas F. Bergin & Paul G. Haskell, Preface to Estates in Land and Future Interests 29 n.19 (2d ed. 1984). fee simple defeasible (di-fee-z-bl). An estate that ends either because there are no more heirs of the person to whom it is granted or because a special limitation, condition subsequent, or executory limitation takes effect before the line of heirs runs out. - Also termed qualified fee. [Cases: Estates in Property 6. C.J.S. Estates §§ 13-14.]
Fee simple is a tenancy, allodial is not.
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