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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


its been argued in the new york legislature that they converted it to free socage

Socage (pronounced /ˈsɒkɨdʒ/[1]) was one of the feudal duties and hence land tenure forms in the feudal system. A farmer, for example, held the land in exchange for a clearly-defined, fixed payment to be made at specified intervals to his feudal lord, who in turn had his own feudal obligations, to the farmer and to the Crown. In theory this might involve supplying the lord with produce but most usually it meant a straightforward payment of cash, i.e., rent. In this respect it contrasted with other forms of tenure including serjeanty (the farmer paid no rent but had to perform some personal/official service on behalf of his lord, including in times of war) and frankalmoin (some form of religious service). For those higher up the feudal pyramid, there was also knight-service (military service) as a condition of land tenure. The English statute Quia Emptores of Edward I (1290) established that socage tenure passed automatically from one generation to the next (unlike leases). As feudalism declined, socage tenure increased until it became the normal form of tenure in the Kingdom of England. In 1660, the Statute of Tenures ended the remaining forms of military service and all free tenures were converted into socage.
The holder of a soc or socage tenure was referred to as a socager (Anglo-Norman) or socman (Anglo-Saxon). 
but then you still end up at the same place.

sounds sort of familiar dont it?

You pay property taxes to the city
they pay the county
they pay the state
the state pays the fed
the fed pays......um? hmm....  LOL

real enough for you  LOL

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ORIGINAL: Nslavu

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


its been argued in the new york legislature that they converted it to free socage

Socage (pronounced /ˈsɒkɨdʒ/[1]) was one of the feudal duties and hence land tenure forms in the feudal system. A farmer, for example, held the land in exchange for a clearly-defined, fixed payment to be made at specified intervals to his feudal lord, who in turn had his own feudal obligations, to the farmer and to the Crown. In theory this might involve supplying the lord with produce but most usually it meant a straightforward payment of cash, i.e., rent. In this respect it contrasted with other forms of tenure including serjeanty (the farmer paid no rent but had to perform some personal/official service on behalf of his lord, including in times of war) and frankalmoin (some form of religious service). For those higher up the feudal pyramid, there was also knight-service (military service) as a condition of land tenure. The English statute Quia Emptores of Edward I (1290) established that socage tenure passed automatically from one generation to the next (unlike leases). As feudalism declined, socage tenure increased until it became the normal form of tenure in the Kingdom of England. In 1660, the Statute of Tenures ended the remaining forms of military service and all free tenures were converted into socage.
The holder of a soc or socage tenure was referred to as a socager (Anglo-Norman) or socman (Anglo-Saxon). 
but then you still end up at the same place.

sounds sort of familiar dont it?

You pay property taxes to the city
they pay the county
they pay the state
the state pays the fed
the fed pays......um? hmm....  LOL

real enough for you  LOL

It's completely real Real. So, you're shackled, and you're just noticing how utterly and obviously shackled you really are, what do you do?

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would love to live on acreage.   I hate this place.

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would love to live on acreage.   I hate this place.

Then why did you buy it?

~stef

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
well the state wants to claim proprietorship that makes them the trustees to pay the bill doesnt it.

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That is why you are called a resident over here, it designates your property use as commercial hence taxable.
citizen makes you a voting member of your own slavery.

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All these words are construed in the governments favor by government judges as they hung 5+ definitions on any given word so if you do not go into court with every word that you use defined and are a grammar major you sink.

That REAL FREEDOM!

They basically created a 3rd world country in which no one can "TRULY" own land and land ownership under the brit system determines political rights.

If you cant own land in the true sense you are a tax payer and at the bottom of the food chain....

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


I have an ancient book where it all first started where they king was talking about how if they give people the label ownership while charging socage they will produce better!

its so simple its funny in a really sad sort of way.

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ORIGINAL: stef

Were you more insane than you are now?  Did the realization you hate it come to you in a rare moment of clarity?

Why did you buy it if you hate it?

~stef

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

All these words are construed in the governments favor by government judges as they hung 5+ definitions on any given word so if you do not go into court with every word that you use defined and are a grammar major you sink.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Typical horseshit. fee comes from fief. not from fealty. entirely opposite meanings.

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

All these words are construed in the governments favor by government judges as they hung 5+ definitions on any given word so if you do not go into court with every word that you use defined and are a grammar major you sink.

You need to get a good law dictionary to understand the definitions!
There is no law that states it can forcibly tax a human being, only a person! A person according to Black's dictionary is a legal representative. A person is a corporation and NOT a human being, so if a PERSON is not a living human being of flesh and blood with a living immortal soul, the refusal to be known or called a person, would make the tax mans job very difficult!

A society is defined as a number of people joined BY MUTUAL CONSENT to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal.
So in essence the STATUTES only apply to those who give consent and who are a willing member of the society.

So in actual fact they are not construed in the governments favor and these words are hugely limiting. The law relies on people not understanding them.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

So wait, your problem is that when a person buys land, that land is still considered part of the US? As opposed to a tiny separate kingdom of its own where the landowner is sovereign?