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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 1:36:14 AM

Atropos19

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The question, I think, is how many ppl it actually does "work for." Are there actually guys who get off on sending anonymous women money? And girls who get off on soliciting/receiving said funds? Maybe. But I think the vast majority of girls seeking "money slaves" here (and elsewhere) are simply amateur con artists and opportunists, and their marks are, for the most part, lonely sad sacks who have a hard time getting pretty girls to pay attention to them. If that were as far as it went, I might still say what the hell... there is a service being exchanged, so have at it. But in my experience (and judging by what I see on these girls' profiles)... the promised service isn't being rendered. The sad sacks keep getting bilked, and the attention they're desperately trying to pay for remains forever just over the horizon. Like a morsel of meat being dangled before a starving dog. And, try as I might, there's just no way I can respect someone who's willing to treat another human being that way.

Immanuel Kant said it best (and I'm paraphrasing here, so bear with me): "Act as if to treat humanity, whether in your own person or that of any other, always at the same time as an end, never merely as a means." Note that he doesn't say you can't treat another person as a means, only that you can't treat another person *merely* as a means. So, for instance, in a typical prostitute/client relationship... as long as both parties respect each other as human beings and are clear about what each one expects to take from the encounter, I say game on (providing certain health and safety concerns are addressed and so on). In this situation, the women are deliberately preying on the vulnerability of a lonely (or, at the very least, naive) person. Therefore they fail the moral test.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 1:54:23 AM

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I'm not sure if that was a FR or a reply to me, but I will just say I find it hilarious that you have an issue with slaves being "exploited like chattel."

No, it was a fast reply. Would your hilarity continue if the genders were inverted?

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Consensual is consensual. Really if I had the choice between giving someone $200 or being kicked in the genitals or hung from fish hooks, I'd hand over the cash quick style. But I get that some people might be into that. So long as it's an upfront money-slave type thing and not a lie or a scam, where's the exploitation?

Consent can be manufactured and the weak can be manipulated by the strong. I find it interesting that male domination brings with it - more often than not - the expectation of growth, protection and nurture while femdom is almost exclusively about exploitation, denigration and humiliation.

And you find the exploitation hilarious. Fascinating.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 7:03:16 AM

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The economy is bad and people still have mortgages and other bills to pay. If you dont like them, do what I do. Ignore them. Forget they existed, move on and look for someone nice.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 7:16:29 AM

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Oh YAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A new fat thread AND a new money thread all in one week!

Merry Christmas to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 7:27:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I'm not sure if that was a FR or a reply to me, but I will just say I find it hilarious that you have an issue with slaves being "exploited like chattel."
No, it was a fast reply. Would your hilarity continue if the genders were inverted?

If a female slave/self-identified property was complaining about being seen as chattel? Fuck yes. That's just funny.

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Consent can be manufactured and the weak can be manipulated by the strong. I find it interesting that male domination brings with it - more often than not - the expectation of growth, protection and nurture while femdom is almost exclusively about exploitation, denigration and humiliation.

And you find the exploitation hilarious. Fascinating.

Yeah I'm cool with that because I'm a sexist bastard. Feminists here hate my guts. But I'm not going to start crying over the fact that guys and girls look for different things in relationships.

When girls start paying $200 an hour to drink some guy's pee mixed with cigarette ash we will finally live in a fair and balanced society.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 9:08:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oh YAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A new fat thread AND a new money thread all in one week!

Merry Christmas to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

There's another present for you in the General section. You should be getting more laughs today than you have all week.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 9:46:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
If a female slave/self-identified property was complaining about being seen as chattel? Fuck yes. That's just funny.

There's a difference between a TPE engagement with another versus some online cam-whore ordering a weak-minded fucktard to send money to her account.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 10:17:23 AM

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oh well if it were just a girl paying money to a male cam whore then yeah I'd probably find it twice as funny.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 11:44:46 AM

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I suppose the point I was just making was that I find it very hard to understand these type of people. I was acutally trying to find out if there are actually people that do enjoy this type of stuff and why those that are into the financial domination simply choose not to converse with anyone but people willing to give them money. I never really thought it would be such a thread lol.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 11:56:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kana

I don't know about anything else, but I would never take money from a slave. Not for any great big ethical reasons, but for a much more important one-There's an old saying about he who has the cash makes the rules. She's dependent on me, not the other way around.
Toss money in and I think, for me, that it completely alters the power dynamic.
Take someones money and you take the strings that come with it...and there is always a string-it just might not be visible to either party at the moment.

Greetings Kana,

In my opinion you hit the nail on the head and your advice goes for both sides of the whip. This is one of the reasons I had a very big problem with financial slavery. Although I was fortunate that I didn't encounter anyone that had ideas along those lines or insisted that I hand over assets and anything I was entitled to in the future, I'm well aware many men feel this way and I found it baffling in all truth. I never viewed it as an element of control, but a makeshift guise of codependency from the dominant end that didn't resonate at all. There's a big difference between collective contribution to the well being of the household and sole monetary provision for the other party. While I understand the premise much better at this time, I don't believe the Keeper should be financially beholden to the kept. It's unbalanced.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 11:57:22 AM

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I think it's telling that you don't find the "money slavers" contributing anything to the message boards, LoL. As you say, why are they *only* interested in talking to people who are willing to pay them upfront for the privilege?

To my mind, this would be like me posting an ad saying, "I have a really nice car to sell. But don't even send me a message inquiring about it unless you are willing to give me the money upfront. No test drive, no carfax, no simple conversation to determine whether or not I seem like an honest individual who's going to give you a fair deal... nothing. Send me the money, THEN (if you're lucky) I'll let you come over and pick the thing up. And, of course, all sales are final."

What kind of good business is that?

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 7:37:55 PM

Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: Atropos19

I think it's telling that you don't find the "money slavers" contributing anything to the message boards, LoL. As you say, why are they *only* interested in talking to people who are willing to pay them upfront for the privilege?

To my mind, this would be like me posting an ad saying, "I have a really nice car to sell. But don't even send me a message inquiring about it unless you are willing to give me the money upfront. No test drive, no carfax, no simple conversation to determine whether or not I seem like an honest individual who's going to give you a fair deal... nothing. Send me the money, THEN (if you're lucky) I'll let you come over and pick the thing up. And, of course, all sales are final."

What kind of good business is that?

What makes you think the 'money slavers' are selling a service? There's a difference between money slaves and pro domination - pro domination is selling a service, with money slaves, being given money IS the service.

It's humiliation...some people get off on the idea of being "taken advantage of" in various ways, especially older male subs who are into the 'spoiled princess' younger dommes.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 8:01:15 PM

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I'm sure that is sometimes the case. I just personally tend to doubt it, in most cases.

Most of the younger girls I've encountered on this site, tend to present themselves like, "I'll talk to you, and maybe you can be my slave/sub, but first you have to TRIBUTE me so I know you're serious." Most of these girls I assume are cons who are just out for money and don't actually intend to pursue any kind of genuine D/s relationship with these guys. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe. I also don't buy into all those classified ads where they promise you'll be making thousands of bucks a week, and all you have to do is send them a one-time-only start-up fee of $99.99. LoL. Maybe I just have a cynical nature. ;-)

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 8:17:31 PM

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Oh yeah, for sure. Nothing wrong with needing tribute to talk to someone, but implying that you want to meet them face to face when you don't is sketchy.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 8:39:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Atropos19
In this situation, the women are deliberately preying on the vulnerability of a lonely (or, at the very least, naive) person. Therefore they fail the moral test.

Oh come on. Girls in their 20s are not preying on anybody. Anyone who actually believes that a hot young girl is going to dominate them free of charge is either a hot young guy or deluding themselves. As a general rule, if you look at a profile and think to yourself "this girl is straight out of porn," go to another profile. Unless, of course, you're into men pretending to be women or women looking for financial compensation (both of which I don't have a huge problem with).

It's amazing how many people complain about financial Dommes. Just pursue Dommes who are a little bit older, a little more clearly experienced and who are looking for things other than kink. It's blatantly obvious to me which Dommes on this site are looking for a genuine connection with someone... learn how to distinguish and stop calling moral fouls on people you've never met.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 8:42:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

I think it's hot. Not as much "give and take" as a pro Domme, where the sub is buying the Domme's time, but there's something really hot about telling a guy "No, you're not buying my time, you're giving me money because I'm better than you and we both know it."

Totally hot mental domination IMO. Definitely sets the 'status' of the Domme far over the sub.

Let me ask you something.

Do you ever look at the red profiles?

Because the majority have nothing to do with domination and everything to do with running a scam.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/1/2010 8:53:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

I think it's hot. Not as much "give and take" as a pro Domme, where the sub is buying the Domme's time, but there's something really hot about telling a guy "No, you're not buying my time, you're giving me money because I'm better than you and we both know it."

Totally hot mental domination IMO. Definitely sets the 'status' of the Domme far over the sub.

Let me ask you something.

Do you ever look at the red profiles?

Because the majority have nothing to do with domination and everything to do with running a scam.

Hell, Rule, that's not just the red profiles, it's all of `em.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/2/2010 12:32:36 AM

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What are the Red Profiles?

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/2/2010 12:44:28 AM

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if you've been perving profiles to the extent that you have 'knowledge' that they are all scammers or whatever, you'd know.

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RE: What's with all these money hungry people? - 12/2/2010 1:24:08 AM

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The thing I love most about the CM board is the unfailing civility of its members...

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