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yeah, i didnt think anyone would address that. There were over 300 slaves at Vernon at the time of Washinton's death. He freed them in his will... upon the death of his wife.

Why do i bring this up? Sitting Bull was a native american.

True.  He was Lakota Sioux.

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It was His country.

I'm not so sure this was true.

What was the purpose of the Obama book?  What kind of "heroes" is the book suppose to represent?

Firm

He is indigenous to the continent. How can you be "not so sure"?

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So don't watch it.

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Was he an American citizen?

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Second, was the book about "American heroes" in some respect?  If so, while I can appreciate Sitting Bull's fight for his way of life, his fight doesn't make him an "American hero", especially as he was fighting against the US government.

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Born here, which makes him an american citizen.

The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, also known as the Snyder Act, was proposed by Representative Homer P. Snyder (R) of New York and granted full U.S. citizenship to America's indigenous peoples, called "Indians" in this Act. (The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship to persons born in the U.S., but only if "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"; this latter clause excludes certain indigenous peoples.) The act was signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge on June 2, 1924.

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The Act granted citizenship to about 125,000 of 300,000 indigenous people in the United States (Those indigenous people that were not included in citizenship numbers had already become citizens by other means; entering the armed forces, giving up tribal affiliations, and assimilating into mainstream American life were ways this was done (Peterson 121). Citizenship was granted in a piecemeal fashion before the Act, which was the first more inclusive method of granting Native American citizenship. The Act did not include citizens born before the effective date of the 1924 act, or outside of the United States as an indigenous person, however, and it wasn’t until the Nationality Act of 1940 that all born on U.S. soil were citizens (Haas 16, Haney 29).

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I also see you dont mention the confederate soldiers who also fought against the US government.

The list of the 13 Americans Obama has in his book are as follows...


President Obama pays tribute to these 13 Americans:

Painter Georgia O'Keeffe (creative)

Albert Einstein (smart)

Jackie Robinson (brave)

Sitting Bull ("a healer")

Singer Billie Holiday ("you have your own song")

Helen Keller (strong)

Vietnam Memorial architect Maya Lin (it's important to "honor others' sacrifices")

Social worker Jane Addams (kind)

Martin Luther King Jr. ("you don't give up")

Astronaut Neil Armstrong (explorer)

Farmworkers leader Cesar Chavez (inspiring)

Abraham Lincoln ("part of a family")

George Washington ("proud to be an American")

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The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, also known as the Snyder Act, was proposed by Representative Homer P. Snyder (R) of New York and granted full U.S. citizenship to America's indigenous peoples, called "Indians" in this Act. (The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship to persons born in the U.S., but only if "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"; this latter clause excludes certain indigenous peoples.) The act was signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge on June 2, 1924.

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The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, also known as the Snyder Act, was proposed by Representative Homer P. Snyder (R) of New York and granted full U.S. citizenship to America's indigenous peoples, called "Indians" in this Act. (The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees citizenship to persons born in the U.S., but only if "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"; this latter clause excludes certain indigenous peoples.) The act was signed into law by President Calvin Coolidge on June 2, 1924.

The part excluding indigenous people didnt come about until the SC ruling in 1884, Elk vs Wilkins.

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So, I do not know if Sitting Bull had met any of the earlier requirements for American citizenship, although it is possible.

So, I still have the question: was he even an American citizen?

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what would?? Im asking out of curiosity

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So, I do not know if Sitting Bull had met any of the earlier requirements for American citizenship, although it is possible.

So, I still have the question: was he even an American citizen?

Uhhhhhh..........what difference does it make?

His people were obviously here before there ever was a United States.

So what point are you trying to make?

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what would?? Im asking out of curiosity

What would what?  Prove that he was an American citizen?

I suspect that someone has answered the question, in scholarly research.  So far, all we have, and all I've found is a tangled history of citizenship rules and programs for native Americans, but nothing that says this specific man was ever an American citizen.

Some people have claimed he is, so the burden is on them to prove it.  I have simply said that I'm unsure that he was an American citizen, and so far, no one has provided anything that gives a preponderance of proof that he likely was.

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Now your playing semantics... lol

The 14th admendment stated anyone who was born here was a citizen... still states that. Some wanted the exclusion to native americans. That exclusion did not exist until after the battle. Until that court decision he was an american citizen by law.

In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the clause's meaning was tested regarding whether birth in the United States automatically extended national citizenship. The Supreme Court held that Native Americans who voluntarily quit their tribes did not automatically gain national citizenship.

The clause's meaning was tested again in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898).

Sitting Bull was born in 1831.

The 14th amendment was in 1868.

The Little Big Horn was in 1876.

Elk v Wilkins was in 1884.

Sitting Bull died in 1890.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark was in 1898.

Indian Citizenship Law was in 1924.

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yeah Ill put him down as more American than any immigrant or their progeny
The book isnt entitled  American Citizen Heroes
just American Heroes...
and he isnt anything else but american.
LOL semantics, always with the "catchy outie" semantics
I think Obama is allowed his opinion still isnt he?
Im sure Custers family are furious