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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 2:29:11 PM   
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Edited to add previous post... I haate when I write something real smart and it gets lost in the pile...

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Hi all. I've been reading and posting for a few months now and find a little confusion with some things. Like for instance, the thread here "Question of Masters Only!". I read through it and saw a little chaos about the subs posting. And I know we can post whereever and whenever we please. I also get that submission is to the submissives' Master/Dom.

What about submissive behavior? I see some very strong submissive statements and arguements made on these threads, to the point of extreme and bickering. Yes, some deserve it, without a doubt.

But, overall, isn't there a certain respect to TRUE Masters/Doms in general in the community? I mean, yes, I understand someone who isn't your Dom telling you to go do corner time would be out of line. And I may be off base saying this, but I would see my Dom expecting me to show some respect to other Doms, even if they get out of line, I can still just walk away. It didn't even cross my mind to respond to "Question for Masters Only!" post.



Hi Annie -
You said you are here fairly new.  I think that once you see a little more of the scenery, you may change your tune.  Maybe. 

True Dominants - I'm a leave that alone.

However, there are people on these fora who are really quite worthy of my respect - at least as far as I can tell online.  LadyPact and Jeff (of Jeff and Carol) come to mind.  They are people who are consistently thoughtful, open to feedback, and who make no apologies for the lives they live.  While I don't agree with their methods at times, the underpinnings of their methods are consistently realistic and work within their own dynamic.  I respect that they live their lives the way they choose, and they don't harm others.  They are people who have mastered their own lives and their minds and themselves and have come to be deeply respected by me. 

There are also a lot of people who are the flip side of that - but let's not dirty your thread by talking about the unworthy. 

Generally, I respect the person - the title is irrelevant.  I respect the dark, and she's very much submissive in her relationship.  If she says something to me, you can bet I listen and consider her words carefully. 

Annie, we are just people.  I respect people - the labels are nothing to me... to many people.  In real life, people show who they are and how much respect they are due by their behavior.  So, too, on line.  You wouldn't be all respectful of some dude you saw on the street blowing snot into his hand and then smearing it on a doorknob.  So, too online.  The thread you reference was a question that would have been better asked of submissive women.  Sometimes, with a question, I look at the actual question rather than the trolling for doms attitude.

If I am asking a medical question, I'll ask someone with medical training, a legal question, someone who knows the law.  This stuff here, wiitwd, meh.  "Doms" have no market on information about relationships, how to interact, or why some women are single.

I've been with partners who didn't want me to respond in an "Ask a Master" section.  And I didn't although I thought it was a stupid decision.  Somebody asked about suicide on the "Master" hotline.  I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone like wanders, who has years of experience in that field, answer that question instead of Joe Blow who has slapped a "dom" sign on his ass.  

There is really little here that is role specific.  I understand where you're getting at, but I don't agree.  Sometimes the question is more about the question than the role-perspective.  

Thanks for asking a good (potentially flamy) question in a non-perjorative way.
best,
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Respect for position? Here's a REALLY REALLY bad analogy....President of the US.


Actually annie - that is an excellent analogy.  Whether good or bad, he has power OVER you. 

When I was in Bolivia, a number of women I know were threatened by the police there.  *I found out after I'd been so threatened... now I warn other gals.*  This police officer shook me down, took all my money, and threatened me, patting his gun and yelling at me in Spanish.  Now, to him, I was a rich American being disrespectful to his country (it was a cultural misunderstanding - an honest one).  I had no idea until the very end why he was screaming at me and my friends, but I had absolute respect for his position.  That man could kill us, dump our bodies off, and who would be the wiser?  We were a couple of dropouts more or less from our societies.  Nobody would know. 

I'll tell you what, I removed my hat, looked at my toes and used every Spanish word I knew to apologize - not because I was sorry, but becuase I respected his position.  He had power OVER me. 

These yahoos have no power over me...   Pixels on a screen.   The only power they have is what I give them, and I'm stingy.

best,
sunshine

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 2:35:26 PM   
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If being automatically more respectful to Masters/Doms were the rule, I would so be outta here. You would see a jujubee-sized hole in the wall. I would never post again, or participate in any event/relationship where that was a generalized expectation.

Focusing on being respectful of D-types simply because they call themselves D-types makes this whole thing into a bad role playing game. "Nice to meet you, Sir, I am the newest, loweliest subbie here and I have no power on these boards, or anywhere. May I please grovel at your feet Sir?" "Why yes, you may, lowly one. Now be silent and pretty while the Masters talk."

Jujubee-sized hole. I'm telling you.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 2:40:26 PM   
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... clearly I need coffee... sorry bout this...

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 2:43:14 PM   
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Jujubee-sized hole. I'm telling you.

And what a pretty hole it would be.


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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 2:45:51 PM   
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Man, I'm glad this post came out more positive than it started. Everyone's opinions are valid and respected, not to start another round with that particular word....lol.

But, and you guys have seen it tons of times I bet, newbies can be led astray. I'm not stupid by any means but I have been manipulated mentally. I hope threads such as these and the people who contribute to them can help newbies like me.

As newbies, we are being fed more garbage than WasteManagement, especially the internet based conversations. My post may have been a bonehead one to people who have been in the lifestyle for a while, but newbies are reading these posts. We're going to ask "dumb" questions, we're going to word them wrong, they are going to be misconstrued and taken to areas that was never brought up in the original post (I see threads start out at point A and end up on Jupiter somewhere).

Again, newbies are reading these posts also, not just the long timers. I'm hoping I'm making a small point here without severe reprecussion threads.


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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:05:05 PM   
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Just a word of warning-

The opinions you hear expressed on the forums may be very different from what you hear on the other side, the dating side of collarme. As you say, there are various ways to look at it, various opinions about what behavior makes someone a good submissive or a good Master. For every person who agrees with you, you will find someone else who disagrees. Take people's opinions with a grain of salt. There are often no right or wrong answers (except for mine... mine are always right!) The fact that a hundred people may disagree with you doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong.

pam

P.S.- The forums can be a hostile place. Keep that in mind, and prepare to be roasted every once in a while. It happens to everyone.

P.P.S.- i thought it was a good thread, and i'm glad you started it. i don't think you're naive or ignorant, and i don't think you have to change your opinion just 'cause it's different from everyone else's. It is a perfectly valid point of view. It's just not my point of view.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:09:54 PM   
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Jujubee-sized hole. I'm telling you.

And what a pretty hole it would be.


See, I have so much respect for you now


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As newbies, we are being fed more garbage than WasteManagement, especially the internet based conversations. My post may have been a bonehead one to people who have been in the lifestyle for a while, but newbies are reading these posts. We're going to ask "dumb" questions, we're going to word them wrong, they are going to be misconstrued and taken to areas that was never brought up in the original post...


Your post wasn't bone-headed in the slightest. You asked a genuine question, and just because everyone disagreed with your point (except for DarkSteven, who is just confused because he actually does deserve the respect you're talking about ), that doesn't mean anyone thinks you asked a bad question or aren't very smart. It's enormously easy to be mislead when you're new to the BDSM world, because there are a lot of people with a strong motivation to keep you thinking that you're "supposed to be" a certain way.

This isn't some sort of secret society with tiers of power. It's just human beings - all equals, with stuff to say - talking about the similarities and differences in our sex/romantic/severely non-romantic (depending on what you're into) lives. I think we should all be respectful to one another, so long as everyone is behaving in a manner worthy of respect. But even that is a judgment call, and not one I can impose as a rule on everyone else.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:27:17 PM   
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Focusing on being respectful of D-types simply because they call themselves D-types makes this whole thing into a bad role playing game.

Well sheez, that's blatantly obvious. Just because I call myself a D-type is no reason to respect me. I demand your respect because my nickname here begins with the letter "L" which is, as all know, a superior and respect-worthy letter.


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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:31:55 PM   
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Jujubee-sized hole. I'm telling you.

And what a pretty hole it would be.

See, I have so much respect for you now

This reminds me of something relevant to the thread.  I hope you don't mind my recounting it here.

I wrote a cmail to jujubeeMB one time.  She read it, but never replied.  I never followed up, and I kept posting as though nothing had happened.  Whatever respect she might have for me, I am sure she would have less if I had gone apeshit on her for disrepecting my dominant awesomeness by failing to write me back.

I believe I have something valuable to share with others, and if they don't want it, I'm not going to force myself on them, because there are plenty of others who will want it.  I was flirting with a woman one time, and I told her something like, "If you do such-and-such thing, I will drop you in the friend zone immediately."  She replied, "Oh my God.  Do you have any idea how sexy it is that you have boundaries?"

It's the same thing with who posts where on a thread.  Are you really so empty that you have nothing better to do but care about something like that?  The only thing that will come from your defense of ALL THINGS MASTERLY is cyberdrama and nobody changing their minds.  Do what you are already planning to do, without regard for the distractions others try to place in your way.


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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:33:17 PM   
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... I demand your respect because my nickname here begins with the letter "L" which is, as all know, a superior and respect-worthy letter.




PUHLEEZE! We ALL know that we are only required to show respect to names that begin with a capital letter! You are obviously a fake poser wannabe, sporting that lowercase l!

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:38:46 PM   
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I wrote a cmail to jujubeeMB one time.  She read it, but never replied.



Wow, what a bitch. (Just kidding jujubee- i love you. Kidding!)

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:41:46 PM   
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Wow, what a bitch.

I know!  My feeling was hurt!


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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:45:03 PM   
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Focusing on being respectful of D-types simply because they call themselves D-types makes this whole thing into a bad role playing game.

Well sheez, that's blatantly obvious. Just because I call myself a D-type is no reason to respect me. I demand your respect because my nickname here begins with the letter "L" which is, as all know, a superior and respect-worthy letter.



Well duh. "L" got a +4 stat bonus to all innate domly skills and a +2 to all acquired skills in the last update of D&D, Dungeons and D-Types , and got more enchancing modifiers in the class handbook True Ownership: The Awakening.

(I really need to stop playing Dungeons and Dragons Online don't I?)

But back to the OP - Anniezz, I'm a bit surpised by how positive this thread went myself. I would venture to guess that it's because you are open to other people's opinions instead of proceeding to lecture everyone on how you know better. I've seen threads on this topic a number of times before that... erm... didn't end as nicely. Sometimes with a "rocks fall, everybody dies" from the Mods.

So ask your questions. Sometime people will groan and go "here we go again". It's human nature and not exclusive to the Internet. There are questions that I get all the time at my job or in my leisure where I can't help the response of "Really? Again?". I'm sure you've experienced that as well at some point in your life. That comes out in the responses sometimes. Try to take it with a grain of salt - there are plenty of people here who realize that new people read these threads and that people other than the OP learn from them. Otherwise many of us wouldn't keep posting the same answers over and over again.

Even if we do get a little snippy sometimes.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:45:26 PM   
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Focusing on being respectful of D-types simply because they call themselves D-types makes this whole thing into a bad role playing game.
[...]
Jujubee-sized hole. I'm telling you.

Well sheez, that's blatantly obvious. Just because I call myself a D-type is no reason to respect me. I demand your respect because my nickname here begins with the letter "L" which is, as all know, a superior and respect-worthy letter.


That'd be a 5-foot hole well under eye level.

I only respect the Triumvirate.

And Jeff. With the 'L'. Cause he said he believes in me.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 3:57:38 PM   
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All hail letter "L"

I suppose an s type with a name starting with a big "O" would be a little off ...hmm :P

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 4:00:19 PM   
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AquaticSub, thanks for your input. I enjoyed your reply.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 4:06:27 PM   
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Oooh! Does that mean since my name starts with a capital letter that I get to have more respect too? =D

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 4:21:00 PM   
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Oooh! Does that mean since my name starts with a capital letter that I get to have more respect too? =D


Nope, yours starts with a W, doesn't count as it is basically an M upside down ;)

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 4:27:07 PM   
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I find it commendable that you are searching for answers in a new world. 
In my life I am submissive to one person. No one else gets the special attention he gets and the special forms of respect that we use because he has walked the walk with me and shown me that he is deserving of these things. Everyone else in the world does however get a general type of courtesy from me unless they have shown themselves to be unworthy of that gesture.

Generally I want my Dom to be proud of me and pleased that I represent him well, so I try to keep that in mind. He does not expect me to show special respect to other men or women just because of a self-applied label beyond general societal politeness. It's something I wouldn't do either as it smacks of disrespect to the one I chose to honor.

I can understand you wondering about this subject and wanting to do the right thing. I think sometimes it's a question of meeting people and living with something for a while to internalize how you feel about it and have that show in your interactions within that world. At first I was very wary of doing the right thing and I wondered what that right thing was. Around that time I met a man who was very keen on having me address him as Sir and having me do certain things that he felt should be done because of his position 'over' me. I liked him and quite honestly didn't know any better, so I let him tell me what to do. After a little time had passed he made it clear that he felt he should be taking over my bank account for his own personal use because he said I owed it to him. Screw that.  

There was another man who I met in the beginning of my D/s experiences that I spent a lot of time getting to know before meeting in real life. He knew a lot about me, information freely given, he knew things that triggered my submissive behavior. At our first meeting he unashamedly tried to use these things to get me naked. It almost worked. That is a man not worthy of being called a Dom much less deserving some special type of automatic respect. He gave not a thought to me and what was best for me, he only wanted to get his rocks off and was willing to use manipulation to do it.

Another man wanted me to call him Sir from our first email, when I wouldn't he was distressed, saying that it was a nice thing when subs gave Doms that general form of respect. I nicely explained that if I got to know him better then I might feel as though the Sir was appropriate, but I then realized that he wasn't a match for me because he wanted me to give him the meaningless empty gesture from the start instead of working for it and showing me he was worthy of being called Sir. These a few small examples of how I was manipulated (or tried to be) mentally myself. WIITWD is a particularly ripe field for manipulation I think and it does take a learning curve to figure things out for yourself. I had to go through my learning experiences to find my way of what I think is right and also what makes me happy.

My man has stood by me during some very difficult times, helped me recuperate from a horrible accident, has gotten me back in school to better myself, helps me take care of my home, listens to me talk about my family and offers emotional support, helps me solve problems...in short he is here for me. He tells me not to worry about seeing him over the weekend and would prefer that I stay home and study for the big test on Tues. He takes me to do things that I've never done for the sheer pleasure of watching me enjoy myself. He also helps me set goals and holds me to accomplishing them and tells me when I need to do better at something.

I revel in looking up to this man, and I try to do whatever I can to show him how much I respect him and how much I appreciate what he does for me. I feel very strongly that my submission and everything to do with it belongs to him, I will not give it away in any sort of a meaningless social nicety to any person who appoints themselves as having a certain position within this group that I have chosen to interact with.

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RE: Masters only below, submissive behavior and being s... - 11/21/2010 4:43:02 PM   
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My man has stood by me during some very difficult times, helped me recuperate from a horrible accident, has gotten me back in school to better myself, helps me take care of my home, listens to me talk about my family and offers emotional support, helps me solve problems...in short he is here for me. He tells me not to worry about seeing him over the weekend and would prefer that I stay home and study for the big test on Tues. He takes me to do things that I've never done for the sheer pleasure of watching me enjoy myself. He also helps me set goals and holds me to accomplishing them and tells me when I need to do better at something.

I revel in looking up to this man, and I try to do whatever I can to show him how much I respect him and how much I appreciate what he does for me. I feel very strongly that my submission and everything to do with it belongs to him, I will not give it away in any sort of a meaningless social nicety to any person who appoints themselves as having a certain position within this group that I have chosen to interact with.


I love this and and am happy for you. It reflects alot of what kinds of things I would look for in a relationship. Almost like he grounds you.

I've made some right and wrong decisions all my life and overall did pretty good...but I've always felt this lack of being grounded (I have no children also). I wonder if that would be a common feeling an s type would have being alone for long periods of time.

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