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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 8:10:08 AM   
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I agree...   the UK is more intrusive the USA,  but these ideas rotate-  I am in no hurry to have my town on lock down like London seems to be....


The difference is that, in the UK, people aren't generally aware of how under scrutiny they are, how often, and to what degree. We don't do "hordes of secret police and security", we do "cameras everywhere".

There’s an absolutely corking tale I could relate here but it’d be slightly off-topic, so it can wait for another day.



There was a great interview Alan Moore did around the turn of the millennium, in which he said that he'd decided that the easiest way to show that Britain had become a futuristic utopia in V For Vendetta was to have surveillance cameras everywhere...


Yes I've seen that one (in print).

On a lighter note ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXDLQPfqc04

... although of course it still makes some good points.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 8:41:28 AM   
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I currently can chose a place that does not have that intrusion.   So- yay for choice.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 8:52:44 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:01:47 AM   
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You can also chose how you travel, pa.


The paintings on the wall had price tags on them!

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:18:47 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:25:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		You say not to travel.   I actually have eaten 2 trips in the past.   Bought the tickets- then was in too much pain to travel.

One to Peurta Vallarta.   One to Chicago.   There was a 3rd trip too I backed out- of- but that ticket was refunded... the direct flight from Harrisburg was delayed- by a few hours.... 

So-  I HAVE backed out of travel....     I have also turned around 2x on the 12 hour drive to Chicago-- a few hours into the trip- due to pain issues.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:26:57 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:30:54 AM   
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You say not to travel.   I actually have eaten 2 trips in the past.   Bought the tickets- then was in too much pain to travel.

One to Peurta Vallarta.   One to Chicago.   There was a 3rd trip too I backed out- of- but that ticket was refunded... the direct flight from Harrisburg was delayed- by a few hours.... 

So-  I HAVE backed out of travel....     I have also turned around 2x on the 12 hour drive to Chicago-- a few hours into the trip- due to pain issues.



That had nothing to do with security measures, pa.

Scanners are not going away. If you want to travel, get used to those or pat downs. If you cant get used to them, then dont travel.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:36:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tazz, one day you are going to regret this lackadaisical approach.  via -->

"the state is always right".

We have UN ALIENABLE rights-  given to us by our creator.

....something to think about.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:38:46 AM   
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Tazz, one day you are going to regret this lackadaisical approach.  via -->

"the state is always right".

We have UN ALIENABLE rights-  given to us by our creator.

....something to think about.



What exactly (since you never explain it or go beyond the half-sentence) does that get you?  And why think about something that is not only not true, but not certain?

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:40:57 AM   
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Ron,  it means we have natural rights.    that we do not need the state to give us what is already OURS.







Body scans come to courthouses
US Marshals Service may deploy more body scanners at courthouses.
note the pic-  the faces were not supposed to be seen. I bet this is bad for the lymph nodes~



Ron Paul on 'Opt-Out Day': 'If we tolerate' the TSA, 'there's something wrong with us'

< Message edited by pahunkboy -- 11/24/2010 9:42:43 AM >

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:43:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

Is what the fuck it says, a considerably different thing than the mindless half-sentence you are spewing.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:46:55 AM   
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That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

Is what the fuck it says, a considerably different thing than the mindless half-sentence you are spewing.


This is not going to blow over.
Big Sis Wants Behavior Scanners At Sports Events, Malls Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano admitted yesterday that body scanners would eventually find their way into U.S. public transportation, trains and boats, but Big Sis is already trialing technology that goes even further, by forcing Americans to undergo a behavioral interrogation before they are allowed to enter sports events, rock concerts and shopping malls.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:48:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I will take it under advisement, I am about ready to go blast china anyway, and wipe it off with a piece of north korea.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:57:00 AM   
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Yeah, I will take it under advisement, I am about ready to go blast china anyway, and wipe it off with a piece of north korea.


I thought you did not like my Lindsey Williams post?

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 9:59:38 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:01:38 AM   
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Scanners are not going away. If you want to travel, get used to those or pat downs. If you cant get used to them, then dont travel.


If you blithely waive your constitutional rights in order to have even less effective airport security then yes, you're correct, they will not go away.

"Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither".

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:07:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		What "Liberty" are we sacrificing? Think about it. We still have the liberty to travel. Searches through luggage has a been a procedure for a long time. X=raying bags, the norm for many years. Metal detectors are now in schools... i wonder why. ~tongue in cheek in case you missed the sarcasm there~

If they racially profiled, many would be screaming about that. Hell, i say scan everyone. Then no one will complain about being "profiled".

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If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:09:50 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:12:58 AM   
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What "Liberty" are we sacrificing? Think about it. We still have the liberty to travel. Searches through luggage has a been a procedure for a long time. X=raying bags, the norm for many years. Metal detectors are now in schools... i wonder why. ~tongue in cheek in case you missed the sarcasm there~

If they racially profiled, many would be screaming about that. Hell, i say scan everyone. Then no one will complain about being "profiled".


I think what needs to be done at minimal is a freeze on ANY new scanners ANYWHERE.


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