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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:15:35 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		And you are entitled to your opinion. By there is no "Right to Fly". There is no assumption to a "Right to Transportation" except when dealing with the disabled and being disciminated against based upon federal guidelines. Explain how you see this as a discriminatory practice in regards to either? You cant. It doesnt exist. You are paying for a service... one that can be denied to you for a number of reasons.

There is no right to fly in this country

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:18:52 AM   
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And you are entitled to your opinion. By there is no "Right to Fly". There is no assumption to a "Right to Transportation" except when dealing with the disabled and being disciminated against based upon federal guidelines. Explain how you see this as a discriminatory practice in regards to either? You cant. It doesnt exist. You are paying for a service... one that can be denied to you for a number of reasons.

There is no right to fly in this country


Oh?  You do know the ACLU is all over this.. and this guy used nearly 3 hours to skip the scan/pat.     12 guards finally ushered him out.  The police had been called as well.


Man Proves TSA Policies Are Unconstitutional Blogger Matt Kernan was able to bypass both the naked body scanner and invasive TSA pat down procedures during his return to the United States this past weekend, proving that both measures are completely unconstitutional and creating a precedent for a total shake-up of airport security. PP

documents the case on his website


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:19:25 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:19:37 AM   
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What "Liberty" are we sacrificing? Think about it. We still have the liberty to travel. Searches through luggage has a been a procedure for a long time. X=raying bags, the norm for many years. Metal detectors are now in schools... i wonder why. ~tongue in cheek in case you missed the sarcasm there~

If they racially profiled, many would be screaming about that. Hell, i say scan everyone. Then no one will complain about being "profiled".


You are choosing to either a) have yourselves repeatedly irradiated by machines that no-one has done any long-term research into (and which have been rushed into production) or b) risk being sexually assaulted by minimum wage fuckwits with a minimum of training and (from the various videos I've seen today) a very poor attitude - in one the cameraman simply asks for their details, which they refuse to give. A cop standing next to them has no issues identifying themselves, by name.

The profiling isn't wholly by race either, so that's a red herring. You should watch that Olbermann video with the ex head of El-Al's security, and do a bit of reading.

If people want a society where individuals with constitutionally-supported rights blindly follow orders, even when their own government is risking their physical or mental health (I would presume you'd consider sexual assault something that would affect a person's mind?), while at the same time making them less, not more, secure, then I guess that's what is going to happen. But I suspect these recent incidents won't be the end of it - I strongly suspect that, sooner or later, there'll be a "breakthrough" case, where camera footage proves wrongdoing by TSA officials, and their role will be either scaled down or phased out. There are already persistent rumours that something along those lines is being considered.

Even if it did improve security it'd be wrong. The fact it doesn't (indeed, is counter-productive, according to many experts in the subject, by both diverting resources and making ordinary people less cooperative, to say nothing of the Muslims the scanners are liable to radicalise) makes it a bit of a joke, but one where I don't think people are going to end the story laughing.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:24:07 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:28:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		March 15, 2002FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEW YORK -- The American Civil Liberties Union today called upon Orlando International Airport to remove a controversial new X-ray body-scanning device that can see through clothing and show a person's naked body. "This body-scan technology is nothing more than an electronic strip search," said Barry Steinhardt, ACLU Associate Director. "This technology brings an extraordinary potential for abuse. We certainly should not be using it in our airports before other, less intrusive alternatives have been tried out." Steinhardt cited as an example of a less-intrusive approach another technology being tested in Orlando, a particle analyzer that blows air on passengers as they walk through a short corridor and reacts if any explosives particles are detected. "There is no need to test the bodyscan technology," Steinhardt said. "It is already used by the Customs service in certain circumstances. No one has any doubt that it works. What they really seem to be testing here is not the technology but the public's acceptance of it - of having their nude body inspected by a security employee every time they need to get on a plane."


ACLU Calls for Removal of Controversial See-Through Scanner in ...[

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:34:25 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnp4kj5lLOU




Almost every expert on airport security says that a) the next attack by terrorists will almost certainly not utilise a cross-entry gate point of attack (witness the "bombs in cargo" methods last time out and b) the current system does not work, and furthermore does not work as effectively as several other, better proven (and incidentally cheaper) methods, and is actually like to make things worse.

It's a crazy situation where people are in favour of a "security" measure that not only makes them less secure, but infringes their rights and person as well.

I'm only surprised because it's normally we Brits who leap headlong into this pile of shit - normally one of the things I give America most credit for is the fact the Constitution means that, usually, politicians have to do a lot of consideration, and talk to experts, and reach a consensus, in order to implement so invasive a procedure. The "chicken littles" here are successive governments, who have whipped-up a paranoia among their populace in order to implement schemes which only seem to do something, while actually achieving little or nothing, indeed make people less secure.



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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:40:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I give America most credit for is the fact the Constitution mean..../snip

We need more folks like RapierFugue  here in the US!!!


Baffling in a way that this comes from across the pond and not HERE.  WAKE UP SHEEPLE!    

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:42:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		One person with a similar view point to yours does not make a nation of similar view points. You should understand this concept more than anyone else here.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:48:00 AM   
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One person with a similar view point to yours does not make a nation of similar view points. You should understand this concept more than anyone else here.


Where is your line?    WHERE?

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:48:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		it was passed with the patriot act, and this is just more of the asswipe.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:56:40 AM   
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the patriot act


If ever the naming of something could be said to represent an attempt to suppress discussion concerning its contents, then that piece of legislation is the gold standard.

"Accept this or you're not a patriot!"

If patriotism means enacting badly thought out, hastily put-together* and mostly useless laws then I don't think I want to be a patriot.

*British lawyers have a saying, which I don't know is used elsewhere or not; "fast law is bad law", and the truth of that saying has been proved time after time.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 10:58:40 AM   
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We need more folks like RapierFugue here in the US!!!


Haven't you guys suffered enough already?

On a serious note though, sometimes it's easier to take a more impartial view if you're not actually stood in the middle of whatever shit-storm it is you're trying to find a way out of.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:03:19 AM   
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We need more folks like RapierFugue  here in the US!!!

Maybe we can work out some kind of a trade, him for you?

~stef


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:04:51 AM   
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We need more folks like RapierFugue here in the US!!!


Haven't you guys suffered enough already?

On a serious note though, sometimes it's easier to take a more impartial view if you're not actually stood in the middle of whatever shit-storm it is you're trying to find a way out of.


A few here think they are an important part of the grid.  That may or may not be the case.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Game over.   FORBES chimes in.

Want To Photograph Your TSA Ordeal? Not So Fast


http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/24/want-to-photograph-your-tsa-ordeal-not-so-fast/?boxes=techchanneltopstories


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:22:03 AM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:24:09 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_bi_ge/us_airport_security


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:24:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is with all this security, is it gives the corporations scope to a) make more money, and b) get at security, gain power for themselves. But according to the following link, the corporations that sell crap to hasty governments, don't give a rat's ass about the US citizen, it's all about money and control. But as indicated in the link, Al Qaeda has already won, it has created the situation where it can do anything without endangering their operatives and America will not only jump, but loop the loop as it jumps, all with detriment to the American people. They have effectively created a situation where American security is screwing over it's own people and travellers to the country, which at some point might very well make the USA a country to avoid.

Global Security.Org - Screwing over the Public for fun and profit in the war on terror


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 11:25:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Give him time, LT. He will find a link from prisonplanet countering your own. After all, Alex knows best.

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