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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:15:27 PM   
Carouselambra


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you silly people caring about such little problems when they're such greater problems out there.


Gee, I don't know.

Caring about someone wanting to frisk me when I have not done anything to warrant it.

Yep, really silly. 

Need a tissue?


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:19:42 PM   
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you silly people caring about such little problems when they're such greater problems out there.


Gee, I don't know.

Caring about someone wanting to frisk me when I have not done anything to warrant it.

Yep, really silly. 

Need a tissue?



It's great that someone as smart and informed as you has joined the debate. I can't wait to see what pearls of wisdom you'll post next!

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:21:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Carouselambra

you silly people caring about such little problems when they're such greater problems out there.


Gee, I don't know.

Caring about someone wanting to frisk me when I have not done anything to warrant it.

Yep, really silly. 

Need a tissue?



It's great that someone as smart and informed as you has joined the debate. I can't wait to see what pearls of wisdom you'll post next!
Were you 'molested' by the TSA?


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:23:16 PM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:23:54 PM   
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Now this is getting FUNNY for me.\

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I might have a tissue for you too.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:27:47 PM   
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Now this is getting FUNNY for me.\

\Crazy shtt man....

I might have a tissue for you too.




You have no idea how big this is.    Many of the scanners are roped off right now- and that tells me that the terrorists have not won!

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:30:04 PM   
RapierFugue


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ORIGINAL: Carouselambra

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ORIGINAL: Carouselambra

you silly people caring about such little problems when they're such greater problems out there.


Gee, I don't know.

Caring about someone wanting to frisk me when I have not done anything to warrant it.

Yep, really silly. 

Need a tissue?



It's great that someone as smart and informed as you has joined the debate. I can't wait to see what pearls of wisdom you'll post next!
Were you 'molested' by the TSA?



And yet another post of yours passes without anything whatsoever of value being added to the debate ... superb stuff. You're setting the gold standard.

Go you!

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:41:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		On Wednesday, however, no major problems or delays were reported at airports because of the protest. A TSA official told CNN on Wednesday that wait times at security lines around the country were normal to below normal. On a normal day, about 99 percent of passengers at security checkpoints choose to go through a scanning machine rather than have a pat down. The same was true Wednesday as millions of travelers made their way through the nation's airports, the TSA said. "Our preparations for today kept wait times at such a minimum that some airports are closing screening lanes due to a lack of passenger throughput," the TSA said. Organizers of the protest said their goal was never to delay travelers, but merely to urge them to stay home -- or to begin a dialogue about security procedures."Now we're having this national conversation saying, 'We have limited resources. Are we doing it right? Is there something more we can be doing?' " said Brian Sodergren of OptOutDay.com. "... These are all issues that I wanted to be brought up and have a discussion about, so as far as I'm concerned, [the day has] succeeded. We got the issue out there, and got the attention of folks." Opt Out Day was "a nonevent," said Christopher White, a spokesman for AirTran Airways. "... When it comes down to it, people want to get to their destinations as quickly and easily as possible."

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pa, first things first.  I appreciate that you apologized earlier.  I realize that you feel strongly on the matter.  I'm glad it can be discussed without going too far.

On to this:

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I agree with you. It was a very dumb plan.

Better by far would be for a Civil Rights group to back someone to try to fly, for that person to then refuse both "Scan" and "Pat-Down Plus", and then say "no thanks, I'm leaving" - this would attract a possible fine of $10,000 under the current laws (a crazy state of affairs, since if security had probable cause to suspect they actually were carrying anything untoward they could be arrested - as it stands you can lose $10,000 just for saying "arseholes to this, I'm taking the train!").

But the person could then, in court, claim unconstitutional search (Scan is strip-search by sight, and Pat-Down Plus could be refused on grounds of intimate search, plus no probable cause), which would (eventually) force a judgement on the legality of the current situation.


This, to Me, makes more sense.  It has a greater stability and dedication factor.  While I wouldn't want to project how the whole thing would go over in a litigation sense, it seems what you are suggesting here would give a better leg to stand on.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:44:59 PM   
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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:51:25 PM   
LadyPact


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(I was actually looking to see if I had made a typo.  )


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:52:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Carouselambra

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Carouselambra

you silly people caring about such little problems when they're such greater problems out there.


Gee, I don't know.

Caring about someone wanting to frisk me when I have not done anything to warrant it.

Yep, really silly. 

Need a tissue?



I always have to wonder how often someone flies who makes these types of comments.

To Granny's house once a year for Thanksgiving?

You might think differently if you had to deal with it frequently.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:54:42 PM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		If laws exist for something there are laws that can be used against that thing, but as another mentioned earlier fast laws are bad laws and this thing has to be tried and when it is tried perhaps questions will be asked of others as to why all this in necessary, but via the law things could change for the better, as with law, there is the politics to remember. This increased security might even be the start, the start where the American citizen regains control of their country, but they have to do it in the right way, fight legislation and its abuses with legislation.

The only sad thing in this is lawyers win all the way for laws are created by lawyers for lawyers to fight and get paid handsomely in every case.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 3:56:08 PM   
RapierFugue


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This, to Me, makes more sense.  It has a greater stability and dedication factor.  While I wouldn't want to project how the whole thing would go over in a litigation sense, it seems what you are suggesting here would give a better leg to stand on.

Agreed - no-one can say for sure how it would go; all court rulings, from local to Supreme Court, are a bit of a step into the unknown. However, what this subject needs is dignified discussion, debate, consultation and finally ruling by those in power, not it remaining the circus it so clearly is now, with minimum wage muppets as effectively policy makers. My feeling (and again I'm not a lawyer) is that there would be a direct conflict between Constitutional rights, and legislation passed in the heated aftermath of 9/11. In more reasoned times as hopefully these are, I would think people as clever as SC justices could enlighten we mere common folk

Make no mistake though, civil disobedience has its place; if nothing else the protest focussed additional scrutiny on the system under dispute.

One other point; in this still-new 21st century, with technology becoming ever more complex and capable, the constitutional battles yet to be fought will mostly not be the ones of earlier times - not the single, individual choice decisions of Roe V Wade, for example (as important as that was). No, in times to come the battleground will be the need for personal freedom and privacy in a world where those in authority can listen to any conversation, anywhere, if they chose (read are allowed) to, and effectively strip people without taking their clothes off, or insist on others placing hands upon them if they chose not to meekly submit. Or where corporations can "mine" personal data about an individual, without that individual's permission or knowledge.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:03:35 PM   
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This increased security might even be the start, the start where the American citizen regains control of their country, but they have to do it in the right way, fight legislation and its abuses with legislation.

The only sad thing in this is lawyers win all the way for laws are created by lawyers for lawyers to fight and get paid handsomely in every case.



Exactly who do you think will be fighting those laws you disapprove of?

You do understand that many lawyers do pro-bono work?

You do understand that many lawyers work for organizations like the ACLU and they are vastly underpaid, but do it because they believe in it.




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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:04:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly who I said, lawyers, hence lawyers win all the way.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:12:40 PM   
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The only sad thing in this is lawyers win all the way for laws are created by lawyers for lawyers to fight and get paid handsomely in every case.


I was going to answer, but I see RML has already done so for me.

Not up to your usual standard, old bean. 4/10, see matron.

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:14:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont disagree with Anerin over the lawyers making cash---   it makes sense to me.   even when they take a case on commission- the person must pay "expenses" and those can add up.  (been there, done that)

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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:18:27 PM   
Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
This increased security might even be the start, the start where the American citizen regains control of their country, but they have to do it in the right way, fight legislation and its abuses with legislation.

The only sad thing in this is lawyers win all the way for laws are created by lawyers for lawyers to fight and get paid handsomely in every case.



Exactly who do you think will be fighting those laws you disapprove of?

You do understand that many lawyers do pro-bono work?

You do understand that many lawyers work for organizations like the ACLU and they are vastly underpaid, but do it because they believe in it.





Ah, I see you have edited and added some text since I made my reply that another sees as my words after the fact as being incorrect.

The latter sentences you added I was not aware of, but since you edited to correct your reply, I understand now.


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RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! - 11/24/2010 4:51:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scanners and pat downs would have prevented 9/11. I dont really see a problem with them myself. The alternative would be everyone howling about a lack of security, when the next plane crashes.

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