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barelynangel -> RE: Don't bloody well touch me!!! (11/25/2010 5:29:35 AM)
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Rapierfuge, actually until you go through that initial screening, the one where you put your carry on through, you can step out of line. I believe its once you have gone through the initial screening you are set in fulfilling what is required.
I agree with your concept of consent however, as this all pans out, i think it will be less likely the court's will believe people don't have a reasonable knowledge of what the searches are. I agree they haven't been met, which is why i think the reasonable expectation of privacy concept will be strong before the courts or congress. Which is why i have said continuously this will need to be played out in court to define and make it better understood.
YOU believe it doesn't, however, until you actually know both sides of the situation, which i don't think anyone at this time knows the specifics of how the TSA is looking at this or what information they are working with. I know i know "people" say this or that, but there isn't OVERWELMING evidence that i can see. I see simply speculation.
IN THE INSTANT SITUATION, i believe it is no one but the government making these rules of the searches amd enforcing same. I know the Constitution but more so have seen many aspects of same argued in the courts, Rapierfuge, i write enough without expounding on other things when its not relevant. The instant situation, isn't about private companies, its about the government. Many people are misinformed that the airlines are the ones enforcing these rules or even making them. While they may be able to weigh in on things, they are not the deciding factor since the TSA was created. I could be wrong about their participation, but then again, i haven't looked into it that deep.
I usually don't argue as to what is or is not overwelming evidence as for every side that states one thing lol there is an equal amount stating the other. Until i hear experts regarding the specifics of where the TSA is coming from and the experts from the other sides, i can't honestly weigh what is relevant or evidence. I think a lot of what is being said is based upon speculation because these scanners have not been in place long enough to me to draw a full and accurate conclusion. It will go before the courts and i will be watching with interest as to the arguments from both sides. The scanners don't bother me, the touchy feelies do.
I have a feeling, there will be suits based upon religious rights, personal rights, children's rights, victim rights (i.e., people where the concepts involved here could really harm people who are victim of violent or invasive crimes), etc. Oh i have a feeling there will be lawsuits -- however, there needs to be lobbying as well. There will be lawsuits on profiling and not even just gender or race but based upon the clothing you wear. I read an article recently that baggy clothes, long skirts, bulky shirts etc may in fact have you being singled out for the machines. Their reasoning is that they don't know what you are carrying underneath. Hell even underwires in bras are at issue.
Don't get me wrong, i am not advocating all of this, but i am not against all of it either. I can just see the different sides of same. As i said, i have no issue with the scanners, i do have issue with the touchy feely.
IN the end, if the people agree then that's what they do. Here in the US its much easier to fight against the government determinations for its people, the problem you have is people don't CHOOSE to do so. There is lobbying, there is the courts, there is running for offices, hell at the very minimum people can write to their politicians. If the people don't actively do what needs to be done then that's that. And unfortunately, in our country, people have chosen NOT to actively do what needs to be done, most people simply whinge and moan lol on discussion boards or to each other.
angel
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