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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I dont think soFirm...  Thompson knows you... this is impersonal attacking.. hoping to catch you with a scatter blast... actually I would think Thompson would be insulted you think it were him, LOL.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Does this not point to a basic problem with the ethos and ethics of the organization?  Or is this just the result of political maneuvering on the part of ACORN opponents?

Neither.

It was never "voter fraud" it was "voter's registration fraud". 

We have a handful of people scattered across the country who wanted to be paid for work they didn't do.  They duplicated names from each others list or just filled in names.

Normally they would just get fired or at worst have the company try and take the pay check back.  Since this involved voter registration their stupidity earned them an arrest. 

The people convicted were petty thieves who picked the wrong pocket.


Let's try the actual news.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/101418199.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-22/politics/voter.fraud_1_voter-registration-acorn-workers-number-of-swing-states?_s=PM:POLITICS

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

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I have never defended ACORN, don't much give a fuck.  They have a registration for get out the vote organization, I imagine that there are lazy people who do illegitimite things to get their numbers, as did some of our whizkids on the census, as do other not so democrat-identified organizations.

Why are so many of these former, or ex-? Is it possible some of these 15 out of  how many people worked for ACORN were let go for cause before they were stood next to the rope?  Wouldn't this be the time to argue that it was 'a few rogue operators' as was done for the soldiers of the United States convicted of torture and whatnot, that this in no way goes to the top or is policy?

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To all the people who defended ACORN so strongly:

And that was who, exactly?

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Love the part of the article that Firm cites where .....

"Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen. Clancy admitted to filing multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals and registering himself and other voter registration canvassers to vote multiple times while working on an ACORN voter drive.

Clancy received a 10-month prison term for his crime. Clancy’s sentence will begin when he completes another sentence he is currently serving for armed robbery.



The problem is, as previously stated, That CLancy was ripping off ACORN for work that he didn't do.


Poor Firm, once again unable to understand or even read the links he attaches.

Does it ever get old getting your nuts kicked in?

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Let's try the actual news.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/101418199.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-22/politics/voter.fraud_1_voter-registration-acorn-workers-number-of-swing-states?_s=PM:POLITICS

Are you trying to imply The Daily Caller is not actual news?

It's one of the finest news sources for the conservative mind.

It ranks right up there with The American Thinker, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

So ... you don't see multiple employees, across the nation, who have all been convicted of similar crimes says anything about the organization which hired them?

Nothing about the employee vetting process?  Nothing about, perhaps, "any means to achieve the goal"?  And nothing about the care taken by the organization to ensure that the employees understood that illegal activities would not be tolerated?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

So ... you don't see multiple employees, across the nation, who have all been convicted of similar crimes says anything about the organization which hired them?

Nothing about the employee vetting process?  Nothing about, perhaps, "any means to achieve the goal"?  And nothing about the care taken by the organization to ensure that the employees understood that illegal activities would not be tolerated?

Firm

I don't have a dog in this fight, don't know much about ACORN, and should probably keep my mouth shut. But I can't resist a little thought experiment.

As it happens, there are, according to Christian Today, about 400,000 Catholic priests worldwide. I'm guessing we can find at least 15 child molesters among them. Would it be fair to say that they reflect, in the words of the OP, "a basic problem with the ethos and ethics of the organization?"

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I agree with you. ACORN got the vote out for the Democrats, that's his or Republicans real problem with them.

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I agree with you. ACORN got the vote out for the Democrats, that's his or Republicans real problem with them.

So "One man, one vote" only applies if they are voting Republican, huh?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

So ... you don't see multiple employees, across the nation, who have all been convicted of similar crimes says anything about the organization which hired them?

Nothing about the employee vetting process?  Nothing about, perhaps, "any means to achieve the goal"?  And nothing about the care taken by the organization to ensure that the employees understood that illegal activities would not be tolerated?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Brain
No, what applies for Republicans is vote early and vote often. That's what I heard working in conservative election campaigns and that's what I saw Ann Coulter do and they never did anything to punish her. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

So ... you don't see multiple employees, across the nation, who have all been convicted of similar crimes says anything about the organization which hired them?

Nothing about the employee vetting process?  Nothing about, perhaps, "any means to achieve the goal"?  And nothing about the care taken by the organization to ensure that the employees understood that illegal activities would not be tolerated?

Firm

I read your op again. Frankly, there is no mention of any of those facts you are asking questions about.

How about explaining what you are going on about.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

out of 400,000 - 500,000 employees.... hmmmm... not seeing the widespread fraud yet. But, its always a possibility.

So ... you don't see multiple employees, across the nation, who have all been convicted of similar crimes says anything about the organization which hired them?

Nothing about the employee vetting process?  Nothing about, perhaps, "any means to achieve the goal"?  And nothing about the care taken by the organization to ensure that the employees understood that illegal activities would not be tolerated?

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I'm not sure what facts you are unclear on, exactly, tazzy.

The convictions? The number of them? In the article (and flcouple gave a couple of more detailed ones).

My comments that you quoted above are my discussion questions, and not "facts" that I am claiming per se.

Firm