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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Actually, all you are demonstrating is that your confirmation bias is alive and well.

You still have not disputed a single fact in the article.

Firm

And all you are demonstrating is your belief in this bullshit theory of confirmation bias is alive and well.

Tell me Firm, does belief in confirmation bias indicate a confirmation bias toward believing in confirmation bias?

Regardless of my opinion of flcouple's arguments, I have to say that he is head and shoulders above you, rml.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Actually, all you are demonstrating is that your confirmation bias is alive and well.

You still have not disputed a single fact in the article.

Firm

And all you are demonstrating is your belief in this bullshit theory of confirmation bias is alive and well.

Tell me Firm, does belief in confirmation bias indicate a confirmation bias toward believing in confirmation bias?

Regardless of my opinion of flcouple's arguments, I have to say that he is head and shoulders above you, rml.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

In many of the cases of voter registration fraud laid upon ACORN it was ACORN which turned in the guilty parties, as required by law.

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ORIGINAL: Brain


No, what applies for Republicans is vote early and vote often.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

In many of the cases of voter registration fraud laid upon ACORN it was ACORN which turned in the guilty parties, as required by law.

Would you care to source that?

Firm

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

In many of the cases of voter registration fraud laid upon ACORN it was ACORN which turned in the guilty parties, as required by law.

Would you care to source that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11acorn.html

Can find others if you insist but searching through google keeps bringing up all the right wing drivel and that is tedious since I know that you'll simply try and handwave away anything presented.

“Rumors of Acorn’s voter fraud have been greatly exaggerated and to a large extent manufactured,” Bertha Lewis, the organization’s interim chief organizer, or chief executive, said Monday in a conference call to announce that the organization had registered 1.3 million people to vote.

Ms. Lewis said it was Acorn itself that informed state officials about some questionable registrations collected by its employees that are now under investigation. Acorn said it had terminated the workers involved.

“Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drives in Illinois, Acorn was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work,” Mr. Obama said, according to a post Mr. Graham-Felsen made in February.

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Actually I said I could provide further evidence but that it was annoying to dig through all the right wing blogs returned by the search. Your handwave is of course what I predicted so here is another link:
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html

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ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What's in the article firmy wants so badly to dismiss

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ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted.

The Kansas City Election Board told KMBC they found suspicious forms, such as seven applications from one person and an application for a dead man.

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ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted.

"We're very happy that they were indicted," said Claudie Harris with ACORN.

1. Election Board finds irregularities.
2. Election Board calls in law enforcement.
3. There is an investigation.
4.  Unknown people working for ACORN were implicated.
5.  ACORN "turns in" the four people already directly indicted.

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You should refrain from embarrassing your self.  You have gone along way to show you bias knows no limits and your reading comprehension is sketchy at best.

But keep on trucking the comedy routine is great fun.

Did you ever find where I said Palin was a Presidential candidate?  Just wondering since you were so adamant I had.

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Firm, don't get them going on "Community Organizers!"
One of them's head will be spinning in circles and the other will be spitting pea soup!

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How much are you going to be charging for the tickets for this act and what is Pops pay as side kick?

The answer is actually no, you do not know the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

So apparently you believe that Mickey Mouse and the members of the Dallas Cowboys football team were actually going to show up and vote on these registrations?  The people who signed themselves up multiple times were going to attempt to vote for each registration?

Where was the motive?  What was the benefit?

To the "individuals" it was money.  They found a way to pick up a check without doing the actual work.  Normally this would have just gotten them fired, but now we've added voting into the mix so they've broken the law. 

Was there really a need to put those people in jail?  No, a suspended sentence and fine would have done the job just fine.  Their biggest offense was being dumb.

You believe that if they had actually been instructed and taught to do this, these people would not have immediately thrown that out to save themselves?

What was the motive and benefit for Acorn?  They got wasted time, wasted money, and accused of fraud.  You believe there was a grand scheme to actually have a vote cast for Mickey Mouse?  There was a scheme to somehow have these people who registered themselves multiple times actually cast a vote for each time they wrote the name down?

I'll, say this again, if you can find that scheme I am all for nailing them to the wall. 

If you want to argue that there was not enough over site I would probably agree.  When you look at some of the people hired it is reasonable to expect problems.

I would say it should be mandatory for EVERY group that does voter registration to cross check their list for obvious false names and multiple sign ups.  They are not going to catch all of them but the complete burden should not be on the election officials. 

I do have to say you really have slipped.  You generally do a much better job of covering up your bias and pretending it doesn't exist.

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How much are you going to be charging for the tickets for this act and what is Pops pay as side kick?

The answer is actually no, you do not know the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud.

So apparently you believe that Mickey Mouse and the members of the Dallas Cowboys football team were actually going to show up and vote on these registrations?  The people who signed themselves up multiple times were going to attempt to vote for each registration?

Where was the motive?  What was the benefit?

To the "individuals" it was money.  They found a way to pick up a check without doing the actual work.  Normally this would have just gotten them fired, but now we've added voting into the mix so they've broken the law. 

Was there really a need to put those people in jail?  No, a suspended sentence and fine would have done the job just fine.  Their biggest offense was being dumb.

You believe that if they had actually been instructed and taught to do this, these people would not have immediately thrown that out to save themselves?

What was the motive and benefit for Acorn?  They got wasted time, wasted money, and accused of fraud.  You believe there was a grand scheme to actually have a vote cast for Mickey Mouse?  There was a scheme to somehow have these people who registered themselves multiple times actually cast a vote for each time they wrote the name down?

I'll, say this again, if you can find that scheme I am all for nailing them to the wall. 

If you want to argue that there was not enough over site I would probably agree.  When you look at some of the people hired it is reasonable to expect problems.

I would say it should be mandatory for EVERY group that does voter registration to cross check their list for obvious false names and multiple sign ups.  They are not going to catch all of them but the complete burden should not be on the election officials. 

I do have to say you really have slipped.  You generally do a much better job of covering up your bias and pretending it doesn't exist.

Let's try backing up because your poor reading comprehension missed this post.

I'll ask again what was the benefit?  You believe there was some grand scheme to actually have people show up and vote on the registrations?

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What's in the article firmy wants so badly to dismiss

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ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted.

That's the way to selectively quote DK!

Let's put that sentence into context:

First, this is a story from 2006, and does not involve any of the 15 convictions that are under discussion.

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In many of the cases of voter registration fraud laid upon ACORN it was ACORN which turned in the guilty parties, as required by law. When was the last time a right winger organization with knowledge of vote fraud, illegal vote suppression or voter registration fraud turned in an employee?

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And you demanded sources. I presented the unrefuted statement by the organizations leaders and a news story detailing one instance. I never said anything about a time frame.