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pahunkboy -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 12:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I'm sick of the nags trying to get me to update the browser. You're another one who avoids updates? Done. But I went slower as things like "change your search engine" "install tool bar" ...No I do not like my settings messed with.

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 12:58:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Done. But I went slower as things like "change your search engine" "install tool bar" ...No I do not like my settings messed with. Nowadays all good installers let you choose not to, as I dare say you found out.

pahunkboy -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 1:00:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Done. But I went slower as things like "change your search engine" "install tool bar" ...No I do not like my settings messed with. Nowadays all good installers let you choose not to, as I dare say you found out. Thank you. Yes. One has to accept the TOS, but that does not mean check every box. I am pleased with the updates... and there were a handfull of them.

hertz -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 1:21:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue There is no "the best". They all have holes, they all have different usability ratings, they're all targeted at different rates, and they all take different times for their parent companies to patch (Firefox and Chrome being the worst BTW). Oh, right. So now IE isn't better than Firefox. Now they're all as bad as each other. make your mind up, won't you? quote: You should use whichever of them you want to; they're pretty much equal, so it's down to whichever one gives you the warmest, fuzziest feeling. But didn't you just say 'But in pure "more secure" terms, IE is ahead.' (post 16). I don't think you know what you mean.

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 2:39:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hertz quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue There is no "the best". They all have holes, they all have different usability ratings, they're all targeted at different rates, and they all take different times for their parent companies to patch (Firefox and Chrome being the worst BTW). Oh, right. So now IE isn't better than Firefox. Now they're all as bad as each other. make your mind up, won't you? quote: You should use whichever of them you want to; they're pretty much equal, so it's down to whichever one gives you the warmest, fuzziest feeling. But didn't you just say 'But in pure "more secure" terms, IE is ahead.' (post 16). I don't think you know what you mean. Oh christ, could you please learn to read English?

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 2:40:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy I am pleased with the updates... and there were a handfull of them. Well yes, I should imagine there would have been, if you hadn't updated for a while. Also important to re-boot afterwards, although the installer should have done that for you.

hertz -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 2:51:54 PM)
quote: Oh christ, could you please learn to read English? If you promise to learn how to write it.

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 2:57:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hertz quote: Oh christ, could you please learn to read English? If you promise to learn how to write it. You've already made yourself look highly ill-informed, and not a little dense, during this thread. Getting snippy about it only makes matters worse. Just stick to stuff you know about, eh? <thinks> Obviously, that's going to reduce your output to a bare minimum, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

SultryItalian -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 4:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: SultryItalian My browser of choice is Chrome only because I don't like the UI of IE or FF. I like that Chrome uses the minimalist approach in its UI and seems to be fast than FF. I like Chrome's HCI (a lot - I think it's the nicest layout and look & feel of the lot), but it still doesn't work seamlessly with as many sites as IE does. But given another couple of versions, assuming they don't depart radically from the design, and I think it'll be a really 1st class browser. For what I browse (email, a few forums, social networking, design related stuff, photosharing, and maybe some movie-watching), Chrome does the job for me. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "I use IE, FF, and Chrome when testing web sites. " Why not Mozilla and whatever Macs use ? Because of the slim market share ? I really don't like the new IE, maybe I should try Chrome. I'm sick of the nags trying to get me to update the browser. I guess I'm just an old fuddy duddy. I like old things. I got Win 95 in about 1998 or so, didn't get 98 until it was absolutley necessary. I literally ran 98 to death before getting XP. I downloaded the updates for 98 so I had the they pulled them. I got SP2 only because my new MB needed it. I suppose I should get SP3, but it will be simply a file, until something won't run without it. T Mac uses Safari. The reason for testing web sites on multiple browsers is to be sure that all of the coding can be read on not only all of the different browsers, but also on different versions of said browsers. Not all browsers read code the same way and that can make the same web site appear differently from browser to browser. Also, if there are special actions of certain items on the page, adjustments need to be made in either the actions of items or to completely change the item. Web developers detest old versions of IE because it can't read some to most of the comparatively newer types of code, so there are additional lines of code that needs to be added.

playfulotter -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 6:06:13 PM)
Months before my McAfee virus program subscription is about to expire they start sending me emails for 20%, 30% whatever off the price on their website....I thought it was kind of a gambling game...as the closer it got to the expiration it would get a higher percentage..but the last time I missed the best price deadline and I said shoot to myself..but I save all the emails and I tried to use the one that had expired and it worked..but being wary to see if it was true. I called their phone number to make sure and got some woman in India, of course, and she said it was okay..so I got basically two years for the price of one which was a good thing!

Termyn8or -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 6:08:51 PM)
"Web developers detest old versions of IE because it..... " I know this sounds a bit snarky, but here goes anyway. I'm so sorry if my viewing their page causes them to add keystrokes. I am just a horrible person like that. Shoot me. Really, I just don't go alomg so much with the current trends. I don't care if they want to make a toaster mow the grass. That's fine and good, and I see no need to get a lawn care capable toaster in lieu of a lawn mower. Tell me about progress and economy ? I can write basic HTML, I know some of the tags and how to link images and whatever. I know nothing about Java. As far as I can see, I have no need for it as long as regular HTML works. When it comes to getting paid, CGI did just fine until hacking came along I guess or something. But still, if you want to get paid, why would you limit the ways people can pay by requiring this or that ? Once you have 128 bit SSL, how much more do you need ? Even with one million bit SSL, if someone slips a keylogger in on you, it doesn't mean a thing. Security ? Had a credit card that was NEVER used on the internet and got a call from the issuing bank. They wanted to know if we happened to be in Italy. They didn't even have the card ! Either the numbers got lifted on the phone, or in person. It's almost like my old beater doesn't have GPS, so I have to buy a new car instead of just getting a GPS and plugging it into the lighter. I also want the ashtray in the dash, not the cupholder. So maybe it does sound a bit snarky, but I like old things. The TV in my basement was built in 1989, when I need another car I'll look for something older, and let's not even go into speakers. I think almost all the new ones are junk, except a few and those are pricey. I don't need all that new stuff, my 20 year old stuff is just fine. I also think only idiots display HDTV on a 13" screen. Now there's hundreds of radio stations, I got sick of the twenty I had. Maybe I'm just not so hep. Without every last bell and whistle, what I do on the internet could concievably be done in DOS. Text, some shopping around, and the music. Once in a while the new crap comes in handy. But when the grass gets mowed here (without help from the toaster), there is a device called a rake. I know eventually all lawn mowers will have to be baggers because rakes can be dangerous. Rant over. Don't take it personal. I am just one of those people who do not think newer is necessarily better. T

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 6:21:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Rant over. Don't take it personal. I am just one of those people who do not think newer is necessarily better. "Smash the Spinning Jenny! Burn the rolling Rosalind! Destroy the going-up-and-down-a-bit-and-then-moving-along Gertrude!" [;)]

pahunkboy -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 6:28:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Rant over. Don't take it personal. I am just one of those people who do not think newer is necessarily better. "Smash the Spinning Jenny! Burn the rolling Rosalind! Destroy the going-up-and-down-a-bit-and-then-moving-along Gertrude!" [;)] Gutenburg was here!

SultryItalian -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 9:04:41 PM)
Term, get the VHS cassette out of your butt and chillax (yes, I just went there). I agree with you on a few things. I'm not wrapped-up in the rush to get the latest gadget. Never have been and never will be. Yeah, they are shiny and neat, but I work with what I have. I don't have cable, I don't watch television. The old idiot box I have now was given to me a few years ago by well-meaning friends who thought it wasn't normal for me to not have one for 2 years. I drive an older vehicle that doesn't have the bells and whistles newer vehicles have, and I am perfectly fine without them. The only reason why I have a newer computer is so that I can use software I need for design and photography jobs.

Termyn8or -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/29/2010 10:28:01 PM)
If a VHS tape fits up there......... ummm fergit it....... I guess I would have to admit to getting dragged chain and foot into the new shit when it comes to PCs. I learned my way through it up to this point. I know how to do some of the cool stuff with XP now. I had to upgrade my PCs. I would run a 486 with 98 if it worked for me, but it doesn't. Software and hardware producers constantly work together to induce us to buy something. Actually it is called business as usual. Like VHS cassette tape manufacturers had an agreement with the deck manufacturers. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just the way it is. My Mother has a Mac. Actually it was like the proverbial gold watch when she retired. I think OS 9.5 was an upgrade. But I got online with it the other day. She's retired about four years plus now, and the thing wasn't new when she got it. It's probably eight years old. I bought a new cheapo in '09, will it do what I want in 2017 ? I tend to doubt it, but then I'll be sixty. Maybe I can just disconnect then. But there is one thing I learned in life - never count on dying. Despite my best efforts I am still here. And ten years is shorter every decade. So preparing, in the house there is right now 1.18 TB of harddrives, 7+ GB of RAM and DSL. If it is all obsolete in 2012, I guess I'll have to deal with it. I lived without internet for over three decades. I lived without cellphone for about the same time. I lived without delay wipers for over four decades. That is just a permanent aspect of my perspective. T

Malkinius -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/30/2010 1:30:02 AM)
Greetings Missokyst.... quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst LMAO... Mac's were small targets before and few people designed programs to attack. But I was called to do a virus (similar to termy's) removal from 4 imacs in one week about a month ago. Heh.. Technology.. That was four out of how many Macs? I will bet all four went to some phishing site or site that required them to download some viewer or special file to see something which is how they got infected. That is the most common way a Mac gets infected. How many Macs do you have to clean of malware in a year compared to pc's? I rest my case. Be well.... Malkinius

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/30/2010 2:18:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Software and hardware producers constantly work together to induce us to buy something. Actually it is called business as usual. It's capitalism and market development. But the thing I like about computing technology is that it does get better - you can do more, more easily, and at a lower cost (in real terms) than ever before. I'm mid-40s now; when I left school I got a job in a business computing company, as I'd always liked the computers we'd had at school; old, clunky things though they were, with their OS on tape cassette and their BASIC programs. The company I worked for was a joint IBM & Apricot dealer; back then you could have one with a hard disc, if you could afford it; £4,500 for a 5 megabyte machine or, for the power user (!), 10 whole megabytes ... for £6,500! You can easily double those figures for real-world costs now. RAM was phenomenally expensive (hundreds of pounds, running into thousands for really "big" upgrades) too. The software was awful, the machines unreliable, and even the top of the range stuff didn't really do all that much, other than a few mid-sized spreadsheets and a little "word processing" ... which you could print in one or 2 fonts, on your daisy wheel or dot-matrix printer. Consumables cost the earth too, and didn't last long. Then came the Apricot "Portable": http://www.digitalworld.fr/upload/image/vignette_video/apricot_portable.jpg It had a clever LCD screen (a very new concept) ... that didn't work (dreadful reflections, even in decent lighting conditions, and impossible to see in low light due to not having decent backlighting). Oh, and despite being called a "portable", it still needed mains electricity; you couldn't run it off batteries. It had a clever voice recognition system with built-in microphone ... that didn't work properly, either the mic or software. It had a fold-away keyboard ... that didn't work properly. And the price for this paragon of computing virtue? £2,000 (!) In real terms now that's be something in the region of £4,000! Oh and it was unreliable, and when it did go wrong (once out of the very short warranty) then there were no module components available to repair it at a reasonable price, so it either went back to the manufacturer for a massively expensive repair, or you junked it, as many did. Nowadays you can buy a PC for a few hundred pounds (or dollars) that will run the latest software, will be durable, reliable, easily repairable, and is pleasant to use. In the space of just 25 years, home computing has expanded and simplified to the point where, far from needing a computing sciences degree, absolutely anyone can operate one. My mum (in her 70s) is an avid "silver surfer", roaming the net for bargains, reading up on world news and keeping in touch with friends and family. That's genuine progress. And, with each iteration of software and hardware you can do more, more easily, and more cheaply, than ever. I for one don't want to go back to the bad old days [;)]

pahunkboy -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/30/2010 3:52:37 AM)
486? Those were the days!

RapierFugue -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/30/2010 4:17:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy 486? Those were the days! <4 Yorkshiremen Mode> 486? Luxury! We used to dream of a 486! </4YM> I go back to the 8086 and Z80 [;)] My school had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Machines_380Z Ah, happy days, happy days ... but note the cost of them; £965 for a cassette-based system and £3,266 for a floppy-based one. FFS! No wonder we had a cassette-based example. I'm so tragic I used to have a poster of an Apple II on my bedroom wall [;)] http://www.apl2bits.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/appleiipd2.jpg And I had a "BBC Microcomputer" when I was 16 or so ... http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/physical-object/acorn/X665-86B.3.lg.jpg I've got a mate (an ex-employee of mine) who collects old computers; he's got an Apple II (sexy!), a BBC, a Sinclair ZX80, a Sinclair ZX81, a Sinclair Spectrum, and something called a Dragon 32*. We've come a long way, baby [;)] http://www.kantl.be/ctb/vanhoutte/teach/slides/graphics/zx80.jpg http://oldcomputers.net/pics/ZX81.jpg * http://www.pc-museum.dk/images/sinclair-spectrum.jpg **** http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/68/Dragon_32_computer.jpg

pahunkboy -> RE: Virus Warning ? (11/30/2010 5:19:51 AM)
My first was a TI99. Oh how advanced it all was back then! lol

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