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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 7:53:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see what your point is, Elisabella.  He'd still get a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.  The charge is no light matter in Sweden.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 7:54:45 PM   
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Wouldn't that depend on whether she drives a taxi?


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 8:05:12 PM   
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I don't see what your point is, Elisabella.  He'd still get a minimum of two years in prison if convicted.  The charge is no light matter in Sweden.


My point is that people are discussing the 'rape charge' and saying they could see how it's possible because he seems like an egomaniacal sociopath etc.

I'm willing to bet that the majority of people giving their opinion are under the impression he's being charged with non-consensual sex. You'd think with the last 2 pages being about the allegations someone would have brought up that the 'rape charge' is for having sex without a condom, no?

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 9:00:17 PM   
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You'd think with the last 2 pages being about the allegations someone would have brought up that the 'rape charge' is for having sex without a condom, no?


Hell, I'm not so sure.  The Swedes pretty clearly have an unusual definition of rape compared to that of other countries.  But, no, I wouldn't exactly be eager to broach the question of 'when is a rape not a rape' on this thread! 

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 10:38:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about "sex by surprise" lol

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/3/2010 11:33:12 PM   
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He's jumped to servers hosted in other countries and it's being distributed on torrent sites.

I just hope he dumps all 250,000 cables before too long.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/5/2010 7:04:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		The wikileaks site is now down in the UK. You need to google wikileaks and look for a link to a mirror site.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/5/2010 7:50:56 AM   
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RE: Wikileaks - 12/5/2010 11:30:04 AM   
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The wikileaks site is now down in the UK. You need to google wikileaks and look for a link to a mirror site.

They are also doing parallel dumps on torrent sites so if you can't find his link..You can get them there.

They will be up even if the sites get hacked...I wouldn't say it's impossible but as of now. They haven't been able to figure out how to stop the dissemination of information from such sites..once it's downloaded of course (If they don't get the host before it's downloaded) whoever has it becomes an outlet and that's climbing as I speak.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/5/2010 1:32:08 PM   
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My point is that people are discussing the 'rape charge' and saying they could see how it's possible because he seems like an egomaniacal sociopath etc.

I'm assuming a complaint was made rather than the Swedish government stepping in to the inspect the sex act. It doesn't really matter what your definition is compared to theirs. There's usually more to it than is reported by favourable and unfavourable media. If you think it strange because the alleged victims should have insisted on protected sex at the time then it's probable that you like I are not in possession of all the facts and you aren't going to get them by reading news articles alone.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/5/2010 4:58:50 PM   
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What about "sex by surprise" lol


In some relationships any sex is by surprise..... maybe I`m just jaded.


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RE: Wikileaks - 12/6/2010 6:03:30 PM   
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Wikileaks reveals Israel, Saudi Arabia and others urging force against Iran. To my personal shame as an Australian, our then-PM, Kevin Rudd (aka Krudd) urges the US to consider force as an option against China. Wisely and commendably, the USA has resisted the use of force in both instances to date.

This surely puts the USA in the running for the "World leaders in Self-Restraint" title. Can we look forward to the USA securing this enviable honour permanently?

Again, well done US of A!

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 4:00:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe Rudd now wants to use force against the English test squad.

The worst thing to come from Wikileaks is likely to be a clampdown on web sites by Governments. Free speech is one thing but the Americans, rightly in my view, wont stand for leaks that endanger US trrops or Americas security. The listing of soft targets abroad, such as those thought vital to America, make every one of the firms named vulnerable to attack.

As for Assange, I hope that when he faces extradition charges from the UK to Sweden, that our judges insist that he isnt handed to the US via the back door. If he has broken any American laws, then the US should go through the proper legal channels to have him extradited, extraordinary rendition ( Kidnapping to you and me ) just wont cut it.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 7:54:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The arrest follows a European warrant on one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape allegedly committed in August 2010, the police’s extradition unit said today in an e-mailed statement"

Far more than "sex without a condom".

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:04:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		@Willbe, ya might want to look into it a little more. It counts as 'rape' in Swedish law, but what actually happened (or maybe didn't happen) boils down to 'sex without a condom'.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:12:14 AM   
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@Willbe, ya might want to look into it a little more. It counts as 'rape' in Swedish law, but what actually happened (or maybe didn't happen) boils down to 'sex without a condom'.



You might want to. Its 5 different counts related to one incident. All of them cannot possibly be for "sex without a condom".

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:27:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's how I see it:

Julian Assange is a scumbag. Plain and simple. Who or what gave him the right to post classified documents? So, what - just because someone handed him a manilla envelope full of classified documents, he's allowed to post them - all in the name of "transparency" ?


Another thing - is he going to take responsibility for whatever the terrorists do with that information (assuming they get ahold of it eventually)? If these leaks have any identifiable information in them (despite said information being redacted), one can only imagine what the terrorists will do with that: assasination attempts, more bombings, etc. I hardly doubt that. He's an opportunist.



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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:29:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The short version is that he had consensual sex (a few times) with two Swedish women when he visited the country, once with one without a condom, once with another the condom broke. After they found out he'd fucked them both, with compromised/no condoms they wanted him to get tested, but he didn't want to and left the country. They got pissed and retro-actively called it rape based on if they'd known that he was so careless with safe-sex they'd have said no. Apparently they can do this under weird Swedish sex laws. So yes, it does boil down to sex without a condom.

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:46:47 AM   
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"The arrest follows a European warrant on one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape allegedly committed in August 2010, the police’s extradition unit said today in an e-mailed statement"

Far more than "sex without a condom".


Willbeur, do you know what a link is?

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RE: Wikileaks - 12/7/2010 8:49:01 AM   
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Here's how I see it:

Julian Assange is a scumbag. Plain and simple. Who or what gave him the right to post classified documents? So, what - just because someone handed him a manilla envelope full of classified documents, he's allowed to post them - all in the name of "transparency"


No, I believe it is in the name of free speech.

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