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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

Like I (may have) said, I personally wouldn't object to being a househusband if she refused to give up her job and could easily support us both, but yes, it's a boring life and people who lead them become bores.

I never want that!!

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I don't - I've done it professionally while taking care of the diabled and I've also cleaned homes professionally. 2 bedroom home fully cleaned, all the laundry, dishes with out a dishwasher, 3 cooked meals a day, and assist them with hygiene and clothing - 2 hours to 3 hours a day. You can cetainly make it longer by creating "busy" work but in reality it really does not take that much time. Relatives have maid who come over twice a week for about 4 hours and the 3 bedroom home stays clean and that is with little ones and dogs running around.

Toppingfrmbottom - and any one who dared  suggest to me if I was the sole person maintaining the home, or hell even doing most it alone,  it was just "busy work" and not that time consuming would be cooking and cleaning his own damned meals and washing his own laundry.
Like I said "busy work" pretty much that entire post. As for cooking my own damb meals and washing my own laundry. I did that yesterday (plus swept the kitchen floor, bathroom floor and vacumed my room.). Total time invested one hour and about fourty-five minutes and that was because the dryer does not dry fast anymore and you have to run it for two cycles.
If you don't have all that time to waist then you figure out ways to do things faster. I know a couple of women who cook twice a month and make meals that they can freeze and thaw or nuke later. They also have enough clothes so they can do then only twice a months and they are all machine washable. Basically, their house, laundry, and food gets done twice a month. They both hold mid-level corporate jobs and have kids.

As for hair care - if my woman was spending enough to pay for a luxury car on her hair then she would get tied up and lose it and have to grow it back out. No f-ing way I'm working one or two days of my time to cover the cost of her hair! Having said that - I would spend $300 to $500 on a nice set of thigh high leather boots as part of our play gear every year or so. But they would last for years and be resoled and rehealed when needed so the cost per year would actually be fairly low.

But to each his own. My bottom line goal is financial freedom so that I have the time and money to be with the beings I love and do the things I love to do. The things I love are not - taking care of a home and being a wage slave (though I do enjoy cooking). I would rather be making love or walking on a beach or riding a horse or doing a lifestyle scene. Almost every decision I make is based on - does this take me closer to the things that really make me happy or farther away and because of that I have partial financial freedom and can afford to have a partner that I support and we play together.

I think that anyman who works 40 to 60 hours a day so the little woman can stay home or do her hair needs to take a long hard look at his values and the things that make him happy.

I have no problem having her stay at home but it will be work at home where she either supports my business or has one of her own. We work six months and travel and play for six months. That is how I have it almost set up now. Eventually the goal is - The 4 Hour Work Week. (A great book which I highly recommend to everyone.)

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Well you've got to do what makes YOU happy. Whilst I agree with you about children being a hindrance to women's "careers" there are no glass ceilings in most workplaces. I've consulted to dozens of companies and most female employees, regardless of whether or not they have kids, simply don't have your appetite for performance at work. There are a few I've met (and 2 I worked FOR) who gained enormous respect from me for their assiduousness and work ethic. But they were very much the exception, not the rule.

Like I (may have) said, I personally wouldn't object to being a househusband if she refused to give up her job and could easily support us both, but yes, it's a boring life and people who lead them become bores.

I never want that!!

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Well you've got to do what makes YOU happy. Whilst I agree with you about children being a hindrance to women's "careers" there are no glass ceilings in most workplaces. I've consulted to dozens of companies and most female employees, regardless of whether or not they have kids, simply don't have your appetite for performance at work. There are a few I've met (and 2 I worked FOR) who gained enormous respect from me for their assiduousness and work ethic. But they were very much the exception, not the rule.

Like I (may have) said, I personally wouldn't object to being a househusband if she refused to give up her job and could easily support us both, but yes, it's a boring life and people who lead them become bores.

I never want that!!

No glass ceiling? You are having a laff! My previous company was heavily involved in consulting, the looks I got when I showed up, more than once I was told that they expected a guy. My experience with consulting is - or in the line I worked - that the company knows exactly what isn't working, they rather get an outsider in so nobody in the company has to take the blame for heads rolling or people who aren't up for the jobs being let go.
In a lot of cases a woman who was far more capable than a guy was not promoted, because she "might" decide to be pregnant and they then would need to replace her, I'd call that pretty much a glass ceiling.

Last couple of months I was getting some job offers and the subject came up ever so subtle, I didn't want to change jobs but it's flattering if you get offers and I like to keep practised in the interview game... But it's one of those things you do notice if you are a woman. Once you pass the level where "How may I help you" or "Would you like help with the packing" is programmed into their speech, there really isn't much of a difference in the work ethics. Yes, a mother who has to pick up her child might not be able to put in as much overtime as a guy who doesn't have that problem because the wife does it, but I consider raising children an important part of society.

You don't become a bore if you are a housewife, my mom was one for the most part of her life, that included a lot more than just house cleaning, her effort enabled my father to have his back free so he could concentrate first on his career, later on running his company, mom organized the social events, kept his diary, reminded him that they have to go to this or that charity event (where he would mix with people who were important clients or could become clients), made sure he joined the right clubs, had the right suits and ties, didn't forget to get haircuts, kept the home life organized... First thing she usually did was read a few papers so she wouldn't show him up when the small talk was about current events... I don't think her life was remotely boring.

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Well you've got to do what makes YOU happy. Whilst I agree with you about children being a hindrance to women's "careers" there are no glass ceilings in most workplaces. I've consulted to dozens of companies and most female employees, regardless of whether or not they have kids, simply don't have your appetite for performance at work. There are a few I've met (and 2 I worked FOR) who gained enormous respect from me for their assiduousness and work ethic. But they were very much the exception, not the rule.

Like I (may have) said, I personally wouldn't object to being a househusband if she refused to give up her job and could easily support us both, but yes, it's a boring life and people who lead them become bores.

I never want that!!

No glass ceiling? You are having a laff! My previous company was heavily involved in consulting, the looks I got when I showed up, more than once I was told that they expected a guy. My experience with consulting is - or in the line I worked - that the company knows exactly what isn't working, they rather get an outsider in so nobody in the company has to take the blame for heads rolling or people who aren't up for the jobs being let go.

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In a lot of cases a woman who was far more capable than a guy was not promoted, because she "might" decide to be pregnant and they then would need to replace her, I'd call that pretty much a glass ceiling.

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her effort enabled my father to have his back free so he could concentrate first on his career, later on running his company, mom organized the social events, kept his diary, reminded him that they have to go to this or that charity event (where he would mix with people who were important clients or could become clients), made sure he joined the right clubs, had the right suits and ties, didn't forget to get haircuts, kept the home life organized... First thing she usually did was read a few papers so she wouldn't show him up when the small talk was about current events...

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You know it occurred to me...you have the writing style of a man, yet the typing speed + posting frequency of a woman.

As per that other thread, if your handspeed is as fast as your typing speed, you could probably take on the HW champ and KO him in Round 1 !!

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Really? Has any woman here been the sole breadwinner for years AND been happy doing it? I very, very much doubt it.

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You know it occurred to me...you have the writing style of a man, yet the typing speed + posting frequency of a woman.

As per that other thread, if your handspeed is as fast as your typing speed, you could probably take on the HW champ and KO him in Round 1 !!

Trust me, I'm all woman and I don't think a writing style might be typical for a man or a woman, as a woman I can use logic

I posted a pic about me and my doggie in another thread

http://i55.tinypic.com/5bo2kp.jpg

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Less glam than my avatar but I guess it shows it's me, if not I gladly meet you for a coffee.

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I hardly ever had to use martial arts in an argument and I don't want to, I rather walk away (which is part of the MA training), the only time I used it seriously was when my other half was attacked, and you know I wasn't so worried about him, more worried about what would happen to the guy trying to get him to fight him (other half plays rugby and is a karate trainer in his spare time),

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so I punched him out, other half was pissy with me for getting involved,

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guy who tried to start the fight was too embarrassed to even think about pressing charges against a woman half his size. In case he would have been, I would have stood up and said "He tried to provoke my partner into a fight, I thought he had a knife, I didn't want to see anybody killed or injured, I used the least amount of violence needed to avoid a nasty fight, I only tried to disable him from using a weapon..."

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Despite being a sadist, I loath violence, consensual pain giving and receiving, it's hot, it's a gift, it's sexy, it's fun, love it, love it, love it, a fight in the bedroom, fucking hot, a fight in the ring as in martial arts - sports, good fun, fighting where somebody might get seriously injured or over a difference in opinion - only thugs do that.

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Forward prop

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Forward prop

I think you mean "Prop forward".

I should know. I used to be one.

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Forward prop

I think you mean "Prop forward".

I should know. I used to be one.

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I should know. I used to be one.

Then please explain the appeal of rugby, to me it looks usually just like a big heap of people over each other, people standing on other people's chests and heads and generally they all behave like a bloodthirsty mob. They are trying to kill each other on the field or at least rip some ears off, after the game they're all of a sudden best friends and have a pint together. I really don't get it....

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Haven't played since school, but might well take it up again, "Thugs game played by gentleman" and all. Much manlier than that pansy stuff the yanks mess about in with all the protective gear and the 80's shoulderpads...