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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 11:10:52 AM   
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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 11:30:49 AM   
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discretionary budget for 2010 $1.39 trillion. TANF 17 billion. WIC, CNP, SNAP 95 billion. so even if you count only the discretionary budget it is less that 10 cents on the dollar. That compares to more than 50 cents of every dollar spent on defence.
Treasure gave the figures...and by the way, while defense is part of discretionary spending, welfare and other social programs are not.  They are part of the main budget.

As for roads and the national defense, again...these are items that the government obliged itself to take care of in providing for the GENERAL welfare and protection of society.  Social welfare was not.

As for fire service, we have a volunteer fire department as do many towns and even some small cities.  Of course, you can thank the firefighter's union for attempting to correct that little matter and make sure that small towns are paying their fair share towards "real and twue" firemen by making sure that a law gets passed that does not allow for voluntary firefighter service.

As for trashmen (which is what I assume you mean by binsmen), at least they are doing something that benefits the WHOLE town and not just a specific few.  So again, they are uplifting the general welfare of the town...not the specific welfare of a few.

The discretionary budget is the main budget. learn what terms mean before using them.

As to the rest I've already shown where Treasure was wrong. As to firemen and trashmen, I never mentioned either so I have no idea what you're rambing about.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 11:34:30 AM   
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Anyone who advocates letting kids go hungry or without a roof, CD, needs to try going hungry or without a roof for a few days.
Ahhhhhhhh...and so instead of conceding the point or even trying to argue the point, here comes the emotional and moral righteousnous so common from so many on the left. 

No. it comes from knowing what it is like to be hungry all the time and to not always know where you're going to sleep. If you haven't experienced that then you have no business callously condemning kids who had no control over their parents behavior to such.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 12:11:48 PM   
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Ive spanked my child and no ones come knockin on my door.
Lucky you...I was spotted using my hand on my daughter's shoulder to put her in the car when she was a teenage rebel/hellion and spent three hours explaining it to Social Services....

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 12:16:16 PM   
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Anyone who advocates letting kids go hungry or without a roof, CD, needs to try going hungry or without a roof for a few days.
Ahhhhhhhh...and so instead of conceding the point or even trying to argue the point, here comes the emotional and moral righteousnous so common from so many on the left. 

No. it comes from knowing what it is like to be hungry all the time and to not always know where you're going to sleep. If you haven't experienced that then you have no business callously condemning kids who had no control over their parents behavior to such.
Bullshit.  Do you think anyone in Congress has spent any time on the streets, homeless and without shelter?  Do you think anyone in Congress got there by NOT working?  Experience of something is not necessary to judge whether or not it can be fixed by throwing money at it...or by taking money away from it.  That's a strawman argument, DomKen.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 12:36:03 PM   
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Ive spanked my child and no ones come knockin on my door.
Lucky you...I was spotted using my hand on my daughter's shoulder to put her in the car when she was a teenage rebel/hellion and spent three hours explaining it to Social Services....


Well, since we're telling stories we know.  I worked with a woman who used a thin branch on a tree (we used to call them switches) on her grandson.  He called 911 on her and 911 called her back before coming out.  She told 911, "you're damn right I did and when I hang up this phone I'm going to do it again, so come get me".

They never came to get her. 


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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 12:56:07 PM   
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Ive spanked my child and no ones come knockin on my door.
Lucky you...I was spotted using my hand on my daughter's shoulder to put her in the car when she was a teenage rebel/hellion and spent three hours explaining it to Social Services....
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The discretionary budget is the main budget. learn what terms mean before using them.


Well I don't doubt that. It is clear by the way you post that your opinions are biased and colored by your life miseries and disgruntlements.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 1:21:17 PM   
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Do you think anyone in Congress got there by NOT working?

A strange argument for a conservative to be coming out with: wasn't the rightist stock line supposed to be that they're all useless deadweights who couldn't find a decent job in the real world, and as often as not are only there because of affirmative action?

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 2:57:47 PM   
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Anyone who advocates letting kids go hungry or without a roof, CD, needs to try going hungry or without a roof for a few days.
Ahhhhhhhh...and so instead of conceding the point or even trying to argue the point, here comes the emotional and moral righteousnous so common from so many on the left. 

No. it comes from knowing what it is like to be hungry all the time and to not always know where you're going to sleep. If you haven't experienced that then you have no business callously condemning kids who had no control over their parents behavior to such.
Bullshit.  Do you think anyone in Congress has spent any time on the streets, homeless and without shelter?  Do you think anyone in Congress got there by NOT working?  Experience of something is not necessary to judge whether or not it can be fixed by throwing money at it...or by taking money away from it.  That's a strawman argument, DomKen.

Is anyone in Congress actually trying to cut off food and financial aid to needy kids? Not in any bill introduced in the last decade (I stopped searching at that point.)

And your post is a classic strawman while my post was a direct response to your ad hominen attack on my person.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 4:08:15 PM   
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As to the rest I've already shown where Treasure was wrong.


Honestly... do you dance around your computer, cackling with glee every time you think you've proven someone else wrong? 

You didn't prove anything.  I gave a government link showing what money has been spent this year and where.  Straight from "the horses mouth".  Period.

If you have a problem with those figures, then you need to take it up with someone other than me.  I don't care how much money was budgeted or what part of the budget it came from.

Saying "you're wrong" is not providing proof.

Someone refusing to engage you in your arguments does not constitute a "victory" for you.

Get over it and grow up. 

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 4:27:08 PM   
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As to the rest I've already shown where Treasure was wrong.


Honestly... do you dance around your computer, cackling with glee every time you think you've proven someone else wrong? 

You didn't prove anything.  I gave a government link showing what money has been spent this year and where.  Straight from "the horses mouth".  Period.

If you have a problem with those figures, then you need to take it up with someone other than me.  I don't care how much money was budgeted or what part of the budget it came from.

Saying "you're wrong" is not providing proof.

Someone refusing to engage you in your arguments does not constitute a "victory" for you.

Get over it and grow up. 

Hey ... you can still read his crap?

I put both him and thompsonx on "hide", and the forums got instantly better.

Try it.  You'll like it!

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/13/2010 5:05:21 PM   
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As to the rest I've already shown where Treasure was wrong.


Honestly... do you dance around your computer, cackling with glee every time you think you've proven someone else wrong? 

You didn't prove anything.  I gave a government link showing what money has been spent this year and where.  Straight from "the horses mouth".  Period.

If you have a problem with those figures, then you need to take it up with someone other than me.  I don't care how much money was budgeted or what part of the budget it came from.

Saying "you're wrong" is not providing proof.

Someone refusing to engage you in your arguments does not constitute a "victory" for you.

Get over it and grow up. 

ou are using a site that says how much has been spent year to date to make claims that are untrue.

Did you notice where I always used FY 2010 figures? That's because the feds fiscal year is over and we have a very good idea about the totals spent. That's the accurate way to discuss a budget. Not to find some unit that allocates all of its money on day one and another that allocates quarterly or monthly and trying to compare the two.

BTW your peanut gallery is back. You might want to examine the ethics of meatpuppetry.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/14/2010 6:02:55 AM   
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Do you seriously believe there is no one who would voluntarily continue to pay taxes to support the various welfare programs of the Government?


Are you saying you can fully fund these needs on a basis of not knowing what the size of the revenue stream you are dealing with is?


Your point is understood, and I agree it would be problematic... actually it is already problematic.  Do you think when the Government sets a budget for the upcoming year that they know exactly who will be working throughout the year, how much will be made, and exactly how much tax money will be collected?  Do you think they already know exactly how many will need help, even?

Sure, they have trends, projections and analysis.  And with greater amounts of money you have less of a need to be precise.  Nonetheless, it is still a risk. 

And it isn't just the government... private charities have no idea what level of donations they will be receiving and when level of help will be needed.

Each and everyday people take the same kind of risk.  When you make any purchase, decide to increase your family size, or consider changing careers, you are gambling that your revenue source will be at least equal to or greater than it has been.  It is what underscores the importance of us making informed and careful decisions.  Surprisingly most people manage to make it through despite that risk.

I think the Federal Government should take a leaf out of the books of people who do manage to live within their means.  As it stands, the Federal Government doesn't have a very good record for planning and making those decisions.

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But all that doesn't matter. We have the example south of us to look at for comparison. If we want that life we can have it. It is a choice and this is a democracy. If people want to change how we do things is fine. However, the consequences might not be what you wanted. I'd suggest a lil sunday drive say from San Luis Potosi to Mexico City.......then come tell me that is what you want for your country.


Is your contention that Mexico is a horrible place to live now and that it should be an example of what we do not want for the US?   I'm not terribly familiar with how Mexico's entitlement program compares to the US, but I'd be very careful to do a lot of research before claiming that a reduction in government aid to the poor will lead the US to look like Mexico and points south.  Are you aware that Mexico has made a huge shift to "government charity" in the past 30 years?  Has it occurred to you that government handouts and entitlement programs might help create the problem?



I guess I don't understand where you are coming from at all. On the one hand you rally for balanced budgets but on the other endorse the type of policy that promises to have budget deficits.  How would you propose that we track whether people are wanting to add that extra 10$ for welfare payments this month out of their paycheck. What happens when there is an actual deficit? Immediately stop a range of programs till they are back on line for revenue?

If you want the US to go back into a balanced budget and only live in those means then we are going to have to change each and everything that we do as a country. The days of running off to help out Iraq/Afghanistan,,,etc etc etc...are over. We will have to admit that we aren't the worlds leader that we aren't willing to do the necessary things to be the leader. That doesn't even start to consider what has to happen to our state and local budgets as monies from Washington suddenly stop. If people with affluence are willing to shove hungry people into the streets then so be it. Just don't complain when the riots start and the resulting redistribution of revenue away from the affluent.

As far as mexico. I don't have that much experience either. Just know what my eyes told me. Go there, take a drive, talk to people.......

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/14/2010 8:30:19 AM   
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Those words are very relevant to the French Revolution!

Thomas Jefferson wrote specifically about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence after being inspired by ‘Déclaration des droits de l'Homme et du Citoyen’


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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/14/2010 12:01:53 PM   
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Ive spanked my child and no ones come knockin on my door.
Lucky you...I was spotted using my hand on my daughter's shoulder to put her in the car when she was a teenage rebel/hellion and spent three hours explaining it to Social Services....
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The discretionary budget is the main budget. learn what terms mean before using them.


Well I don't doubt that. It is clear by the way you post that your opinions are biased and colored by your life miseries and disgruntlements.
chuckles...and all the posts by those of you on the left are so full of joy and light and nary an indication of bias or disgruntlement or life miseries. 

Now then, could you explain to me what my post about being interviewed by Social Services for correcting my daughter has to do with my posts on this thread or others in Politics and Religion?  Or are my posts biased and disgruntled simply because they come from the right of center rather than the left of center? 

There is not a soul in these P and R forums whose opinions are not colored by their biases and life experiences, whether that poster comes from the right or the left.  All you have to do is dial up any thread to see the venom coming from both sides.  You disagree with me?  shrugs...you certainly are not the first.  I disagree with the "government is good...more government is better...government can make all our lives better as long as we listen" mantra from the left.  I also disagree with the leftist notion that everyone is good at heart and sincerely WANTS to build a better life for themselves with their own work.   And that WAS the heart of this topic...


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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/14/2010 12:08:08 PM   
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I also disagree with the leftist notion that everyone is good at heart


Many of those on the right prove that daily.

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RE: Adult Abortion... The Right to Choose - 12/14/2010 2:17:56 PM   
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