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Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 1:52:59 PM

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Argentina has recognised Palestine as a "free and independent state," just days after neighbouring Brazil announced that it would "legitimate aspiration of the Palestinian people for a secure, united, democratic and economically viable state co-existing peacefully with Israel".

Hector Timerman, Argentina's foreign minister, said on Monday that the Latin American nation officially recognised Palestine according to its 1967 borders and hopes for peaceful solution to Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

http://english.aljazeera.net

It surely must be becoming increasingly obvious, even to the most blind followers of Israel, that the Jewish state is not even slightly interested in peace. Even the promise of a whole load of shiny new Arab-killing equipment courtesy of President Obama wasn't enough to convince those peace-loving Israelis to stop building on land that doesn't belong to them for the period of peace negotiations.

So now it looks as if the 'road-map' is under threat. After all, what is the point of having a map if one of the parties involved in the journey has no interest in getting involved in any sort of travel? The agreed 'road map' dictates that any Palestinian state should be established via direct negotiations - negotiations that the Israelis have stymied at ever turn. It seems that Israel believes it can stall forever and continue to build those vital 'facts on the ground'.

However, in recent weeks, Argentina and Brazil have unilaterally recognised Palestine based on the 1967 borders, and Uruguay is set to follow them next year. President Abbas has apparently requested recognition from other states, including Turkey.

Maybe at last the world is waking up to the truth. Israel isn't interested in negotiating a peace.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:01:48 PM

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I'm still of the opinion that we should give the whole region over to the Tibetans....

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:08:52 PM

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They'd be better neighbours than the Israelis have been, that's for sure...

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:26:41 PM

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Mods, how many anti-Semitic threads are we supposed to tolerate?

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:28:40 PM

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If I didn't know you better I'd think that was not bad satire. But, I reckon it's not.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:31:34 PM

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If I didn't know you better I'd think that was not bad satire. But, I reckon it's not.

As a resident anti-Semite your response was expected.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:33:45 PM

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Maybe I should ask a question, having pitched my tent and all.

Does anyone think it is at all possible that if enough nations get behind this, it might be possible for the Palestinians to finally get their state whether Israel likes it or not? It seems to me that this is the only way it is going to happen.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:39:25 PM

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If I didn't know you better I'd think that was not bad satire. But, I reckon it's not.

As a resident anti-Semite your response was expected.

I don't recall ever having many any comment on this site, of any kind, that references Israel/jews/whatever in any way. You're being even less reasonable than usual.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:40:05 PM

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OF COURSE Argentina is pro-Palestinian! Remember all those Nazis hiding out in that country after WW II? That's their influence!

But seriously, I'm no American Exceptionalist, but when did our foreign policy become influenced by two countries in South America? I hardly think of Argentina and Brazil as major strategic allies of the United States of America. Bad choice to use them in a foreign policy debate!

Israel is not a peace loving country. I'll give you that. They cannot afford to be one. They live among neighbors who will not even put their country on a map. They have made many, many mistakes, and I do not like their current hawkish government. However, I just remember the footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9/11, and all vestiges of sympathy for their cause sort of wither away.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:43:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

If I didn't know you better I'd think that was not bad satire. But, I reckon it's not.

As a resident anti-Semite your response was expected.

I don't recall ever having many any comment on this site, of any kind, that references Israel/jews/whatever in any way. You're being even less reasonable than usual.

If I have you confused with someone else, I apologize. However, your response to my first post certainly isnt one that shows a lack of bias.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:48:06 PM

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Well hell, thanks for your apology. I don't reckon there's much point discussing 'bias' further if you're really serious asking mods to stop the thread because it's 'anti-Semitic' though.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:49:07 PM

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Mods, how many anti-Semitic threads are we supposed to tolerate?

The answer to your question is zero.

If you are suggesting that this thread is anti-Semitic, solely because of its failure to parrot the official Israeli line, then your suggestion has more to do with censorship than any anti-racist position I am familiar with.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:54:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Mods, how many anti-Semitic threads are we supposed to tolerate?

The answer to your question is zero.

If you are suggesting that this thread is anti-Semitic, solely because of its failure to parrot the official Israeli line, then your suggestion has more to do with censorship than any anti-racist position I am familiar with.

Good, because thats not the sole reason.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 2:55:19 PM

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I just remember the footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9/11, and all vestiges of sympathy for their cause sort of wither away.

Of course they were dancing, when the shrapnel from the missile that destroyed your home reads "made in the usa", it makes it kinda hard not to be bitter, and besides, if you've ever met with Palestinians(or many other middle easterners)then you'd know that the radicals are the minority(same goes for the Israelis). Combine that with a general lack of education and poor living conditions, it's no wonder they hate us(not saying their in the right, just saying that it's very understandable). Miserable fucks are bitter(ever been to a retirement home?), its up to all of us(the western world) to try to improve their general condition if we ever want anything resembling peace in that region, other wise the desperate will still look to despicable for hope.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:02:52 PM

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Pyro, I was gonna' answer, and then I decided your avatar was just too frightening to look at.

I understand what you are saying about the Palestinians. However, I do not get out and march for the rights of people (any people--especially those who are fundamentalists in their religious beliefs) who are disdainful of my culture.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:13:49 PM

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Damn, didn't we in North America know where it was all along? I mean that fat little big lipped man had been splashed all over our newspapers and televisions since Kennedy.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:16:27 PM

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Pyro, I was gonna' answer, and then I decided your avatar was just too frightening to look at.

I understand what you are saying about the Palestinians. However, I do not get out and march for the rights of people (any people--especially those who are fundamentalists in their religious beliefs) who are disdainful of my culture.

that's fine, but I don't think we should be supplying arms or support to the country that's taking military actions to civilian areas either

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:18:30 PM

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Uh, Oh......thats anyone, and especially the US, but that bit is whitewashed and never shown on tv.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:23:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: hertz

Maybe I should ask a question, having pitched my tent and all.

Does anyone think it is at all possible that if enough nations get behind this, it might be possible for the Palestinians to finally get their state whether Israel likes it or not? It seems to me that this is the only way it is going to happen.

Israel should unilaterally give the palestinian arabs a state on the so called occupied territories, with the clear understanding that Israel does not surrender its rights as a sovereign nation. Then in a week or so when the first mortar or rocket is fired into Israel, the Israelis could legally roll in and empty the territories and be done with all the whining by suckers who think Israel is the problem.

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RE: Palestine recognised by South American nations. - 12/8/2010 3:44:25 PM

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Sorry folks, Mod 11 is gone. She was an Israel firster, and that was her only bias despite the accusations. Like dems accused her of being slanted for the reps, and vice versa.

For the record, the government of Israel is nasty, about as nasty as ours. So if I am an anti Semite for criticising Israel, I am also anti USA because our government is just as nasty. Sometimes nastier, it seems like they are in a contest, but we got the first start, at least in relation to them.

The fact is people with fuctioning brains don't care what the fuck the Bible says. The fact is they were there thousands of years ago, but they left. Someone else came along and did OK for quite a while and then came that proverbial knock on the door. Your country is now ours. How about if that shit happened to you ? Mr. USA but Israel is more important types. How would you react ? I would strap bombs to alot more than children, because to be conquered is worse than death.

Well fuck all of them. Let them fight it out, with their own lives and money and whoever wins, call us. That's anti Semitic I guess because for some reason we OWE them. Fuck them and the Mirkada they rode in on. Fuck them and the dead body of Racheal Corrie they ran down in cold blood with earth moving equipment. And fuck Corrie as well. Stay the fuck out of it. They have been at this shit for long before the US was even concieved. The Balfour deal had alot more to do with England, why don't they send their own money there ?

Because it is all a big game. I choose my games and my battles. Sharon said that they run America, I think he was right. When criticising the actions of a foreign government is automatically concieved as a racial issue, there must have been some influence. Brainwashing is influence, it's just really effective influence. Like influence on steroids.

If we wanted to kibbutz this game we have two choices. About twenty parking lots that used to be oil producing nations. Them pricks got into the OPEC game to squeeze more money out of us. But then they can be dealt with because they don't have the lobbying power. They might have the money, but they can't get it done. I know this because if they could there would only be one glass parking lot in the middle east, and nobody would care if it were called Israel or Palestine.

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