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LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:17:01 PM)
Seriously, a lot of European countries work differently and the government doesn't put their nose into private biz much, for example in Germany if your doc sees that you got marks on you, he will ask you about it, if you tell him it is consensual and you're having a BDSM relationship, it does not go any further, he's bound by law to not mention it to anybody, could cost him his license. A friend of mine is a female masochist and regularly plays with her partner, do you think her GP understood? She had a rather embarrassing situation when all of a sudden somebody wanted to talk to her about the "abuse" and if she'd like to press charges and wanted to rescue her from a situation where she didn't need rescuing. I think she changed docs, contemplated complaining but figured it would it make the situation even more embarrassing. I kickbox, I told that my GP, each time she sees a bruise on me (which is something you simply can't avoid when doing MA though inline skating gives me more bruises in the summer, damned cobbles) she asks me if I want to talk about something, if I'm abused, blah blah. I hardly go there because they're pretty useless anyway, just to get a new prescription and she insists to see me for that (gahhhh) and take my BP (low as usual), why can't she just simply make a damned note instead of asking me each time about possible abuse?

Moonhead -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:23:28 PM)
Very true. At least you're old enough that you don't have to worry about some busybody intern looking up your arse and calling a social worker, though. Mind you, so were the poor bastards who've been saddled with criminal records over that Spanner bullshit...

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:26:31 PM)
Britain has a tendency to take a lot of things over the top... In that respect not all that different from your Colonial cousins

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:27:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead That's the big difference between our legal system and the US one: they have their constitution and bill of rights, and many feel that anything that isn't specifically named as being permitted by one or the other is a privilege not a right, with no reason for anybody who likes the idea (or enjoyed it until it was taken away by the patriot act) to get arsey about it. We take the opposite approach over here (despite the existence of several defacto constitutions, starting with the Magna Carta), and assume that unless something's specifically forbidden by one of our many laws, then it's nobody's business except the people who are doing it, whatever it happens to be. That may have been how it used to work, but it doesn't seem that way anymore.

Moonhead -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:33:22 PM)
I dunno that's necessarily the case, though: laws infringing on our civil liberties have been passed more often than most would like since the mid '80s. I'm enough of a naive fool to think that might have as much to do with it as a series of autocratic control control freaks being installed in number 10.

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:37:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Very true. At least you're old enough that you don't have to worry about some busybody intern looking up your arse and calling a social worker, though. Mind you, so were the poor bastards who've been saddled with criminal records over that Spanner bullshit... Actually my friend had a social worker on her case (I think it was a social worker, somebody official) and had to talk to a complete stranger about her sex life (just what you want to do, your sex life being a file in some office, great stuff), because her GP couldn't imagine that one can have a consensual and loving relationship where sex gets a bit rougher because both sides like it that way and went and reported suspected spousal abuse...

Moonhead -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:46:59 PM)
Dearie me. It'd probably be a social worker.

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 1:55:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I dunno that's necessarily the case, though: laws infringing on our civil liberties have been passed more often than most would like since the mid '80s. I'm enough of a naive fool to think that might have as much to do with it as a series of autocratic control control freaks being installed in number 10. That was partially my point (which I didn't make entirely clear, sorry); when you're "protected" by convention, as we in the UK are supposed to be (or, rather, are in the case of England, Scotland and Wales), you're somewhat at the mercy of the government of the day; they can pass laws with nothing more than a simple majority, ergo you end up with what de Tocqueville called "the tyranny of the majority". With a written Constitution it's far more difficult to make radical changes to people's rights without the support of an overwhelming majority of voters and (more importantly, since so many ordinary voters are morons) parliamentarians. We need a) a Republic and b) a Constitution. My that's just my dream; it won't happen in my lifetime, if ever.

Moonhead -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 2:06:03 PM)
I'm all for A, definitely. Dunno about B, though: would you really trust anybody in parliament at the moment to draft one?

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 2:08:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue We need a) a Republic and b) a Constitution. My that's just my dream; it won't happen in my lifetime, if ever. Do you think you could exchange the Royals for a + b? I hear Greece wants back the bits of the Acropolis that are displayed in the British Museum and since the Royals tend to be mainly Greek (with a bit of German), I can see a good bargaining situation "You can have the frieses back, but you got to take this lot too..."

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 2:11:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'm all for A, definitely. Dunno about B, though: would you really trust anybody in parliament at the moment to draft one? Who says it has to be drafted by parliament? Ratified, yes. Drafted, no.

Moonhead -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 2:30:47 PM)
So who else is going to draft it?

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 2:42:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So who else is going to draft it? You could do it like your Colonial cousins and have the Welsh draft it ;) 17 of the founding fathers who signed the declaration of independence were Welsh, they're a stroppy lot...

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So who else is going to draft it? How about experts in constitutional law? Professors and fine minds. Laws generally aren't drawn up by politicians in any case; they farm the job out to experts, then sign their name to the result.

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:28:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So who else is going to draft it? You could do it like your Colonial cousins and have the Welsh draft it ;) 17 of the founding fathers who signed the declaration of independence were Welsh, No, they weren't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States#Demographics "Most of the 1787 delegates were natives of the Thirteen Colonies. Only 9 were born elsewhere: four (Butler, Fitzsimons, McHenry, and Paterson) in Ireland, two (Davie and Robert Morris) in England, two (Wilson and Witherspoon) in Scotland, and one (Hamilton) in the West Indies."

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:36:09 PM)
Correction, of Welsh background... But who would have thought with names like Adams, Lewis, Lee, Flyod, Gwinnett, etc.

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:41:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Correction, of Welsh background... But not welsh. The welsh, historically, couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:49:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RapierFugue quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Correction, of Welsh background... But not welsh. The welsh, historically, couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery. Actually they were quite a threat to England for a while and quite a few of your rulers had Welsh blood in them... Ha, just turned round to other half who's watching some DVD and repeated your comment, he grumbled "Oh FFS, tell him yourself that you've been to Wales, you see how much we can drink, bloody effing English..." Then decided he needs some Port Ellen as he has a sore throat (I am afraid I will have a serious case of man flu on my hands)

RapierFugue -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 3:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Actually they were quite a threat to England for a while Not at any time since bows and arrows went out of fashion. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Ha, just turned round to other half who's watching some DVD and repeated your comment, he grumbled "Oh FFS, tell him yourself that you've been to Wales, you see how much we can drink, bloody effing English..." I've lived in wales. It was an awful experience. And they generally only think they can drink. I've seen the evidence on several rugby tours.

LadyConstanze -> RE: London Protests Turn Violent With Parliament Under Siege Protesters are now fighting with polic (12/16/2010 4:11:58 PM)
I lived in Wales for a few months about 3 or 4 years ago before we bought the house here (and to sort of lure him away from his beloved Aberystwyth), we occasionally had parties in the house there and one thing the Welsh really don't do well is food, so whenever I cooked mysteriously neighbours and friends showed up, I got into the habit of making industrial quantities, which disappeared all rather sharpishly. So on one of the last days when we had taken most of the furniture away and decided to throw a "little" party only for 3 rugby friends and their spouses (so we were 8 people), I was doing an Italian buffet style meal and he and one of his friends kept carrying in beer, wine, cider and spirits. I wondered a bit because it looked like they were going to stock a pub and double checked how many people would come, as it seemed to be a fairly excessive amount of booze... Let's say there wasn't much left the next day. If the Welsh can't drink, I don't want to see anybody who can. The Irish are fairly bad but until this day I can't understand how the Welsh can drink that much without suffering from alcohol poisoning, damaged livers and all that. And the most annoying thing is, they only get mild hangovers...

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