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Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/10/2010 11:24:54 PM

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I am not saying Obama is a Muslim.However,let's say just for the sake of it,that he is a Muslim.I heard enough non sense about this.Really,who really care's if Obama is a Muslim's.Last time I checked the U.S. Constitution,it state's that someone can run for public office,including becoming President,regardless of religion.I would rather have a moderate Muslim in the White House,then some far right-wing Christian weirdo running this country.Any religion has will have those who take their faith to the extreme and not in good way's.So really,who care's about Obama being a Muslim,Christian or neither.I don't care.Of course,some people don't like him because of his skin color.They won't admit it in public,but deep down,they know's that they are racist trash.That's another debate for another time.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 12:18:42 AM

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Actually it doesn't mean shit if he is a Moslem. It is not forbidden by the Constitution. You can be anything, even a Jew. I mention that because in the early day it was considered to exclude Jews from this country. But the founders figured out that if one group can be excluded so can any. Maybe, but for the flip of a coin we would be speaking German. But for the flip of a coin many things could've happened.

And the word is Moslem. Muslim is cloth. Now don't go taking me to a dictionary like a fifth grader, this is the meaning of the words, and the meanings construed in the past matter. Of course it would be totally "American" to name a people for the type of cloth they wear, most only look at the surface. that was the surface.

The Koran is no more full than the Bible of smiting one's enemies, and both went on to describe those enemies. It's all a game.

I don't care if Obama is a Buhddist, a tree worshipper, a Satanist or a Moloch. In fact if he and other Presidentrs were Odinist we would be in better shape right now. But that is not the point. As a leader you do what needs to be done, not to your whim.

Leadership is really based on logic. You can be a tinhorn dictator somewhere and have the military might of the country at your disposal to stay in power, but it is much better to curry the favor of all the people, or as many as possible. They become your armies and will defend you to last Man. Remember Venezuela ? If 80% of that country is crooked and somehow getting over hanging with Chavez, then he is their leader. In a case like that the leaders and the people are either both enemies or friends depending on whose side YOU are on. InIsrael, the UK and the US, the "leaders" are not doing the will of the People.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 12:31:15 AM

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I care that he lacks spine, or the courage to say, "the game is rigged, and ain't nothing I can do." Muslim he isn't, not that it being one is a sin or shame. However, that clearly is insignificant to the current condition of the US at this time, even if some uninformed, think that is. M

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 12:36:33 AM

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I agree,the game is rigged in Washington.Obama has done the best he can considering the limit's he has in Washington.I remember George Carlin once said that you can't really blame those who are voted into office.The fact is,they only represent the people who voted them in.I would say it's the voter's who are at fault.If the majority of people keep voting the same non-sense to Washington every time,then those people really only have themselve's to blame.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 12:53:32 AM

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I would say it's the voter's who are fault.If people keep voting the same non-sense to Washington every time,then those people will only have themselve's to blame.

I disagree Charles. Sure, if >80% of the voters gathered as much information from as many sources as possible, than voted, it would be our fault... But, most people don't have that much time, desire, or ability, and it would seem, believing the representatives who pretend to give a chit on election season, is a huge mistake. M

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 3:03:39 AM

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I would say it's the voter's who are fault.If people keep voting the same non-sense to Washington every time,then those people will only have themselve's to blame.
I disagree Charles. Sure, if >80% of the voters gathered as much information from as many sources as possible, than voted, it would be our fault... But, most people don't have that much time, desire, or ability, and it would seem, believing the representatives who pretend to give a chit on election season, is a huge mistake. M

Actually, the more likely number of uninformed voters, is around 92%. That's 92% of people that just want to bitch about our goverment. They claim those in office don't listen to 'everyday Americans', even though, they themselves do not listen to the canidates running for office (or re-relection). So Charles, is indeed correct, in saying its the voter's fault for the crappy goverment we have.

Case in point, the Honorable Representative from Minnesota's 6th District: Michelle Bachmann. This person was re-elected to office just recently. Anyone that is sane and knowledgable about this woman's understanding of reality, would never vote for her. She is, in every manner, a 'few clowns short of a full circus', and yet, she won the majority of voters. If conservatives were really serious in that district with 'voting the bums out', why is this woman STILL in office?

President Obama, really and truely is, one of the best things this country has, in elected office. Your welcome to disagree with me, or his views. When people vote, do they vote for the person or the party they represent? Since if we voted purely on the person, we'd have to ask ourselves, 'what sort of characteristics we want in a president'? Healthy, intelligent, wise, calm, educated, tolerant, and brave. Sounds like a reasonable list right? However, if we are voting on the party and not the individual, then what is really sitting in the President's chair? The seat, that is suppose to represent, us, individuals, in America?

This lack of knowledge is made all the worst, with media outlets set up, to do nothing more, then spread disinformation as fast and wide, as possible. To promote 'A' concept and destroy 'B' concept. As the saying goes "a bad map, is worst, then no map at all". There is a large segment of Americans whom, each and everyday, are given the 'bad map' and told, its the 'good map'. So who is at fault? The voter! Its THEIR job to understand the facts, not allow someone to do their thinking for themselves. Unfortunately, to do that, takes time, energy, and patience. Most Americans simply have none of the three. Whose fault is that? The voters still; but they have more excuses then politicans it seems.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 3:12:52 AM

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A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust"

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:36:05 AM

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A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust"

Interesting, how did you come by this?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:43:37 AM

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Yes do tell.

What I said was from the word sof years ago, like forty years ago. Their seemed to be a distinction. But then they probably FUBAR our language as bad as we do their's. Who knows. But muslim used to be a type of cloth. Who knows what it is now.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:48:06 AM

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Muslim is cloth.

Do you mean muslin?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:53:27 AM

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I might possibly stand corrected here. But still my error is only one letter.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:54:45 AM

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A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust"

Interesting, how did you come by this?

Yeah I'd like to know that too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim

... gives few clues, other than possibly getting the English translation wrong; I think it's "supplicant" but I am not an expert.

My understanding was that the correct term was Muslim, and Moslem is a western bastardisation of it, from north of where the old Muslim empires ran.

<further googling>

Ok, this is interesting:

http://hnn.us/articles/524.html

... which I suspect is where ATJ got it from. Not sure how reliable a source it is, but interesting.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:56:08 AM

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I might possibly stand corrected here. But still my error is only one letter.

I can't work out if you're being incredibly funny, or somewhat dense. Or possibly both. Either way I'm confused

I need more coffee.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:57:32 AM

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Interesting, how did you come by this?

The word 'Kwik' in English actually means slow. I've observed this whilst getting my car serviced at Kwik-Fit and when ordering prints from Kall-Kwik.

Although similar in English pronunciation one should not confuse 'Quick' and 'Kwik'.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 4:59:11 AM

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The word 'Kwik' in English actually means slow. I've observed this whilst getting my car serviced at Kwik-Fit and when ordering prints from Kall-Kwik.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 5:36:27 AM

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The one could ask- why are there no protestants on the Supreme court.

None.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 5:46:14 AM

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A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust"

That's tricky. Both words as written are transliterations - approximations based on the SOUNDS of the words, written using our characters in English. If they were spelled in the Arabic, there would be no room for misinterpretation but of course nobody here could read them.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 5:50:34 AM

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The one could ask- why are there no protestants on the Supreme court.

None.

Translating your post into English, I presume you're asking "One could ask - why are there no Protestants on the Supreme Court?".

To which one possible answer is "because none of them are good enough". Or possibly "because the Illuminati wants it that way".

The more logical and factual answer might possibly be "because none of them have currently been selected".

Why do you feel it's relevant which religion they are? You might equally ask what ethnic background or gender they are. Which flavour of sky-fairy they're into surely has little bearing on their ability to render decisions based on the law, assuming they're fair, intelligent and impartial people, which one would assume they are, given the office to which they've been selected.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 5:54:53 AM

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A Muslim in Arabic means "one who gives himself to God," and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means "one who is evil and unjust"

That's tricky. Both words as written are transliterations - approximations based on the SOUNDS of the words, written using our characters in English. If they were spelled in the Arabic, there would be no room for misinterpretation but of course nobody here could read them.

There was a smashing piece a few years back on subliminal racism, as the west applies it to Arabic and other alphabets, but I've just googled and I can't for the life of me find it.

It was one of those articles where you start off shouting "oh don't be so stupid!" at the screen, and yet within a couple of pages you're thinking (or at least I was) "hmmmmm ... actually that's a pretty good point ... and so is that ... and so is that" ... I love articles like that

It may have been a book review, but I can't find the bloody thing now. I'll have another look later; something along the lines of "Conquest via Language".

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 5:56:19 AM

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When people say to me "No my name is pronounced Dathid not David"

I tells them well ya Welsh parents should have spelt it right then I could pronounce it right. Likewise Abu Dhabi, there is no such thing as a silent h dharn it.

My name is spelt Zhxally pronounced Sally...NO!

Edit: be = me obviously.

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