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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:17:56 AM   
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The British people don't like religious leaders because it is all too convenient, which we realise, for those leaders to defer their judgement to a higher being. It's rather convenient and we don't like that style, however in the US they seem to be completely opposite to that for the most part. So when the previous poster went on about how many non religious PM's there have been I found it quite amusing because being religious would probably count against them here. Our ancient history is rife with leaders making choices which they say were inspired by a higher calling.


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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:21:51 AM   
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Are you perchance familiar with the story of the Tower of Babel?

Don't be a prick be a stone?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:24:40 AM   
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How many Muslims have been elected PM? Atheists?? Blacks???

Muslims are, after all, a far larger percentage of your population.....



Oh but we do have Muslim MP's in the UK and if you do your homework you will find quite a few, including newly elected Shabana Mahmood and Yasmin Qureshi (both Muslim females).
We also have a number of black MP's

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:28:19 AM   
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I repeat my question. How many Muslims have been elected PM? Atheists?? Blacks???

(As opposed to : "MP")


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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:40:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I might possibly stand corrected here. But still my error is only one letter.

I can't work out if you're being incredibly funny, or somewhat dense. Or possibly both. Either way I'm confused

I need more coffee.


I need more water...still hungover from last night.

And the nice lady ATJ seems to have not kissed and telled, but telled and run!!

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:40:16 AM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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Status: offline 		You are coming up against the age old question of constitutional reform. i.e. the vast majority of the minorities live within inner city areas and are represented by a tiny handful of representatives. To have a chance at a Muslim PM you'd have to have white famers in middle England represented locally by Muslim MP's, not likely. In short you'd have to reduce local representation to gain national representation for ethnic minorities, not an easy numbers game.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:44:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		"To have a chance at a Muslim PM you'd have to have white famers in middle England represented locally by Muslim MP's, not likely. "

Why not?
Is England not sufficiently enlightened?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:46:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It wouldn't be fair either way, someone would always feel their local MP wasn't representative of the background they are from. It's not a perfect world what's new?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:59:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Are you perchance familiar with the story of the Tower of Babel?

Yes, it’s a smashing fairy story.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 9:59:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yet you implied we were somehow not enlightened when I said a Muslim could not be elected to national office here.

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:01:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is a perfect metaphor for how societies become fragmented.
the Swiss are fighting back
The Dutch will have to, soon.
What then?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:05:12 AM   
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Yet you implied we were somehow not enlightened when I said a Muslim could not be elected to national office here.

No I didn't, I said it was amusing that you think religion is a political priority in the UK.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:06:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
It is a perfect metaphor for how societies become fragmented.

No, it isn't. It's just a fairy story, and not really applicable to the modern world.
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
the Swiss are fighting back
The Dutch will have to, soon.
What then?

As always it'll be the old story of thesis, antithesis and synthesis.

Things will happen, there will be a reaction to those things, and then people will find a solution that works for most of the people involved.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:14:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

We have had at least one Muslim Representative, many black Reps, and one black President.

I repeat my question. How many Muslims have been elected PM? Atheists?? Blacks???

(As opposed to : "MP")



We have had more than one Muslim Representative and black Reps. We haven't yet had a black or Muslim PM but your history is very short when it comes to electing a black President.... watch this space.
What on earth has atheism got to do with any of this? I would of thought that most of our ex PM's were atheists. Most of us aren't big or impressed on religion here but if someone wants to have a faith, that's entirely their private business, including our PM.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:16:50 AM   
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This is what happens when you have a pro muslim President in office.

Holy #$%&! Is this for real? Am I in the Twilight Zone? What's next;
hiring the Taliban to train border guards? Unbelievable!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40395
The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) announced on its website that
the entity has completed training for 2,200 TSA officers at the Los
Angeles International Airport. This training includes special
sensitivity training in handling the Koran during security screenings
and even private screenings for Muslim women.

Leaving aside for a moment the very public groping of a Catholic nun by
a Muslim TSA officer (photo included in the story), MPAC itself has
dangerous liaisons with terrorist entities such as the Muslim
Brotherhood as well as an al Qaeda funder currently serving prison
time.

One of the two founders of MPAC is a long-established protégé of
the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, and both founders having spent
time in a Egyptian prison for Brotherhood activities there.

Welcome to America where terrorist histories are wiped clean by
political correctness!


Yes.

You are definitely, beyond any shadow of doubt, in the Twilight Zone.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:24:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

It is a perfect metaphor for how societies become fragmented.
the Swiss are fighting back
The Dutch will have to, soon.
What then?


The Belgians will corner the chocolate market?  What is it I'm not seeing here?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:25:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fairy tales are metaphors.
Synthesis works, often, for the survivors, not necessarily the majorities.
Have you reconciled yourself to dhimmitude in Eurabia?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:25:53 AM   
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"It made national news at the time"
As well it should have.

I am certain most people disagree with your understanding of  "national office", which for the rest of us means "POTUS and VPOTUS".


Isn't that special?

So how would you define the Senate, House, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, etc.?

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Just for you, though, and any others who might share your understanding:

I do not for a moment imagine that a Muslim running for POTUS or VPOTUS could poll over 10%.
I doubt an atheist could break 30%


And what does that say about those Christian values?

They only apply to Christians?

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:28:04 AM   
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Have you reconciled yourself to dhimmitude in Eurabia?

I've come to the conclusion I'm not as paranoid as you are.

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RE: Who care's if Obama is a Muslim - 12/11/2010 10:30:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The Belgians will corner the chocolate market?  What is it I'm not seeing here?

The Crunchy Frog Surprise?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6uLfermPU

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