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LadyConstanze -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 1:50:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes


I do know that y'all get along just fine (except for that N.Ireland thing you got going. -  YES!  I do know that [the Republic of] Ireland is NOT a part of UK.)

One can certainly conceive of a country called "The United States of Britain" comprising 4 states: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. (In alphabetical order.)

Wiki says: "Outside the country [USA], "Yankee" or "Yank" is slang for anyone from the United States. It is especially popular among Britons, and may sometimes be considered offensive, though it is by no means universally used pejoratively."

Thus, the OP question might be turned around to be "Do you Brits find the Welsh to be as stingy as their reputation?  I've been there on a student grant and after too many experiences in Wales of penny-pinching, I just had to ask."


Well, I'm not British, but the Welsh are actually not stingy, that's a reputation the Scottish have but absolutely undeserved...

The Cornish would really be pissed off for being left out, they're also a cultural group of Celtic background and take pride in being Cornish...




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 1:51:23 PM)

This'll mean they'll have to rename the MOBO's to something that sounds like you'd get from a Starbucks.

It'll create a lot of confusion is all I am saying. Ya get me?




LanceHughes -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:01:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
I do know that y'all get along just fine (except for that N.Ireland thing you got going. -  YES!  I do know that [the Republic of] Ireland is NOT a part of UK.)

One can certainly conceive of a country called "The United States of Britain" comprising 4 states: England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. (In alphabetical order.)

Wiki says: "Outside the country [USA], "Yankee" or "Yank" is slang for anyone from the United States. It is especially popular among Britons, and may sometimes be considered offensive, though it is by no means universally used pejoratively."

Thus, the OP question might be turned around to be "Do you Brits find the Welsh to be as stingy as their reputation?  I've been there on a student grant and after too many experiences in Wales of penny-pinching, I just had to ask."

Well, I'm not British, but the Welsh are actually not stingy, that's a reputation the Scottish have but absolutely undeserved...

The Cornish would really be pissed off for being left out, they're also a cultural group of Celtic background and take pride in being Cornish...

In America, we have the idiom, "He Welshed on the deal."  Meaning he broke his word.

From post #1, this has ALL been about stereotypes. 

I don't use them, I don't like them, I don't abide them.




Jaybeee -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:18:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

"Afro-caribbean" is the correct terminology for a negro here in the UK. "Black" is technically correct, and socially acceptable with all but the most sensitive souls.



Black is actually absolutely unacceptable now, check it out, a friend of mine is an Afro-Caribbean with VERY dark skin and a music and piano teacher, about a year ago she showed me an official memo that the ebony keys can't be called black keys anymore in music lessons as it is a "racist term", we both had a good laugh about it, especially when she asked me if I am alright with her calling me white or if she has to find another term for my skin colour.


She's winding you up (or you're winding ME up!!). I have several black friends, and we've had conversations about race where they have referred to themselves as "Black".

And if she isn't joking, then tell her to get the fuck over herself. "Black" is a perfectly acceptable term for all black people.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:31:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

"Afro-caribbean" is the correct terminology for a negro here in the UK. "Black" is technically correct, and socially acceptable with all but the most sensitive souls.



Black is actually absolutely unacceptable now, check it out, a friend of mine is an Afro-Caribbean with VERY dark skin and a music and piano teacher, about a year ago she showed me an official memo that the ebony keys can't be called black keys anymore in music lessons as it is a "racist term", we both had a good laugh about it, especially when she asked me if I am alright with her calling me white or if she has to find another term for my skin colour.


She's winding you up (or you're winding ME up!!). I have several black friends, and we've had conversations about race where they have referred to themselves as "Black".

And if she isn't joking, then tell her to get the fuck over herself. "Black" is a perfectly acceptable term for all black people.



Read again, it's not a wind up and she has no problem with the term black, she refers to herself as black, but it is not a term you are now allowed to use in schools as it is now considered a racial term. We were both laughing that it is just a colour, somebody in some ministry for education is being uber PC.

And you know, I think she would tell you where to stick the charming "tell her to get the fuck over herself" comment, she might not care that you, your friends and even she herself find it perfectly acceptable, when she's teaching and she uses it, she's violating a direct order and since we have a world wide recession going on...




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:37:01 PM)

We in the south are the socially inept and unwordly rednecks of the USA. Please do not take away anything from our title by implying that the standup, hard working folks from the midwest share these traits. 

BTW, callin someone a yank down here might get ya an asswhuppin....just sayin....




windchymes -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:38:13 PM)

Wow, I had to re-read that to make sure I wasn't missing a joke. How ridiculous that you can't call the black keys black! Somebody's got way too much free time on their hands, lol.




pahunkboy -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:39:10 PM)

Maybe we should re-name the White House!


HA!




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:41:01 PM)

It's because the black keys were created on purpose smaller than the white keys that my friend is institutional racism of the piano kind.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:44:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Maybe we should re-name the White House!
HA!

I propose you rename it the greenhouse to highlight the fact YOU are killing our children!

Too strong?




pahunkboy -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:47:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
Maybe we should re-name the White House!
HA!

I propose you rename it the greenhouse to highlight the fact YOU are killing our children!


chuckles.

STOMP!

;-)




LadyConstanze -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:48:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Wow, I had to re-read that to make sure I wasn't missing a joke. How ridiculous that you can't call the black keys black! Somebody's got way too much free time on their hands, lol.


The UK is going a bit into overdrive with political correctness, sometimes you just shake your head, people aren't deaf or blind anymore, they are now "hearing impaired" or "visually challenged", I had to call up the city council for some question about recycling and got the usual recording (can't call humans anymore, you just talk to machines) and I had about 6 choices in which language I want to hear the recording, hold on, I'm in the UK, in England to be specific, so why do I need a ton of different languages? I understand that in Cornwall, Ireland, Scotland and Wales they offer the respective language as well as a nod to the cultural heritage, but this is slap bang England and there were some rather exotic choices. Not sure if somebody will label me a racist for that, but if I'm living in a country, shouldn't I be able to speak and understand the language?




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:52:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Not sure if somebody will label me a racist for that, but if I'm living in a country, shouldn't I be able to speak and understand the language?

Not if you are living in Birmingham, I don't know how those people communicate but it isn't through sound.




Jaybeee -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 2:56:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jaybeee


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jaybeee

"Afro-caribbean" is the correct terminology for a negro here in the UK. "Black" is technically correct, and socially acceptable with all but the most sensitive souls.



Black is actually absolutely unacceptable now, check it out, a friend of mine is an Afro-Caribbean with VERY dark skin and a music and piano teacher, about a year ago she showed me an official memo that the ebony keys can't be called black keys anymore in music lessons as it is a "racist term", we both had a good laugh about it, especially when she asked me if I am alright with her calling me white or if she has to find another term for my skin colour.


She's winding you up (or you're winding ME up!!). I have several black friends, and we've had conversations about race where they have referred to themselves as "Black".

And if she isn't joking, then tell her to get the fuck over herself. "Black" is a perfectly acceptable term for all black people.



Read again, it's not a wind up and she has no problem with the term black, she refers to herself as black, but it is not a term you are now allowed to use in schools as it is now considered a racial term. We were both laughing that it is just a colour, somebody in some ministry for education is being uber PC.

And you know, I think she would tell you where to stick the charming "tell her to get the fuck over herself" comment, she might not care that you, your friends and even she herself find it perfectly acceptable, when she's teaching and she uses it, she's violating a direct order and since we have a world wide recession going on...


LC, lack of charm aside, I'm going to pull rank here. You're not British, I AM. I have nieces and nephews going to school here who ALL refer to black people as "black". I just texted a mate of mine whose a teacher about this, and I'll take his word on the matter.

And even if he agrees with you, it is almost utter BULLSHIT. The only redeeming factor that entices me to use the word 'almost' is the fact that there are no black or white people in the scientific senses of the words, the three base colours of the human race are just brown, yellow and pink. Even an albino is not pure white, and Wesley Snipes is not wholly black. And even if what you're telling me is correct, it will be decades before the change is taken up.

I for one will continue, until the day I die, to refer to black people as black, negro, bro, and yeah, between my black friends we'll happily use the 'N'-word because they fucking LOVE me, and lemme tell ya, the feeling is most definitely mutual. And the "Pulling rank" part is that I'm pretty damn certain I speak for 99% of the other 60 million brits on these miserable islands.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 3:14:35 PM)

Look, I don't think my friend went as far as to fake an official memo to have me on, we had a laugh about it because she found it absolutely ridiculous just as I did, I can't recall the exact wording as it is a while ago, but it it was to the effect that music teachers should stop calling the ebony keys on the piano black due to the racial connotation.

The wife of my boss is a teacher and I mentioned it to her because I was simply baffled, and she said there is a lot of stupidity going on, all it takes is that one minority or rather one person from a minority complains about a term and they all start to panic and start issuing stupid orders to avoid a discrimination law suit at any cost.

The classic example that went through the media not long ago was that it is perfectly alright for a Muslim working in a book shop to refuse selling bibles due to their religious feelings, fair enough, I only wonder what would happen if say a white Christian would refuse to sell the Koran to a Muslim, I bet there would be hell to pay and he would be called a racist. Or if you look at women in bhurkas (sp) with the funny eye covering driving cars, I'm frightened because their field of vision is greatly impaired, if they want to dress like ninjas, up to them, but then please don't drive cars, but again that would be racists and against their religious beliefs. I really don't get that...




hlen5 -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 3:23:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

From post #1, this has ALL been about stereotypes. 

I don't use them, I don't like them, I don't abide them.


Amen!!




LanceHughes -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 3:34:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
It's because the black keys were created on purpose smaller than the white keys that my friend is institutional racism of the piano kind.


I'm going to guess that the white keys were made of ivory since it was more available than the ebony wood to make the black keys.  BUT!  Instead of guessing I think I'll slide over to wiki and find out about the invention of the piano.  I truly expect to find the choice of ebony and ivory to be based STRICTLY on the maximum difference so as to allow ease in seeing the things.

I am blown-away by the ignorance of anyone that would suggest (and institutionalize) the idea that piano craftsmen were abrogating their higest standards in favor of a racist statement (that wouldn't be recognized for humdreds of years.)

// You can tell Lance is pissed.... he rarely writes such a long stament since he is trying to be clear. LOL! //

Short version of //'s above:  Yeah, Lance, but how do you really feel about this?




Jaybeee -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 3:38:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Look, I don't think my friend went as far as to fake an official memo to have me on, we had a laugh about it because she found it absolutely ridiculous just as I did, I can't recall the exact wording as it is a while ago, but it it was to the effect that music teachers should stop calling the ebony keys on the piano black due to the racial connotation.

The wife of my boss is a teacher and I mentioned it to her because I was simply baffled, and she said there is a lot of stupidity going on, all it takes is that one minority or rather one person from a minority complains about a term and they all start to panic and start issuing stupid orders to avoid a discrimination law suit at any cost.

The classic example that went through the media not long ago was that it is perfectly alright for a Muslim working in a book shop to refuse selling bibles due to their religious feelings, fair enough, I only wonder what would happen if say a white Christian would refuse to sell the Koran to a Muslim, I bet there would be hell to pay and he would be called a racist. Or if you look at women in bhurkas (sp) with the funny eye covering driving cars, I'm frightened because their field of vision is greatly impaired, if they want to dress like ninjas, up to them, but then please don't drive cars, but again that would be racists and against their religious beliefs. I really don't get that...


Frankly I get a bit worried because most of the muslim women I know (and see) are very timid drivers, and whilst I attribute this to cultural temperament, they don't have a chance to develop good reflexes. I've gotten sick of the times I've been in a hurry, some Pakistani woman in full religious garb is driving, and she feels she HAS to plod at 20mph, and I don't sound my horn because I know she'll freeze up with that, "Oh my God a MAN is looking at me!!" look of horror in her rear-view, she won't pull over and she won't accelerate. Her natural impulse is to think she's in a dangerous situation and hit the brake - and on a road where I can't overtake, this is the LAST thing I want.

My neighbours are moslems, and lets' just say I'm delighted we all have off-street parking. The wife, lovely woman though she is, has paid twice for smashing into the 2ft-high brick wall that separates our front drives. The first THREE times I let her off, at which point enough was enough.

Come to think of it, it was her husband who settled the brickie bill...which I would even have paid myself, if he then invested in some fucking driving lessons for her!!

Oh, my mate just texted me back....let's just say I can't repeat his words. He's Jewish, btw, make of that whatever you will.




LanceHughes -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 3:50:18 PM)

The piano was invented out of whole cloth in early 1700s - that was a total surprise.
At first the keyboard was WHITE smaller keys.  Not reversed until at least 10 years after invention (as near as I can make out.)
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Almost every modern piano has 36 black keys and 52 white keys for a total of 88 keys (seven octaves plus a minor third, from A0 to C8). Many older pianos only have 85 keys (seven octaves from A0 to A7), while some manufacturers extend the range further in one or both directions.

Some Bösendorfer pianos, for example, extend the normal range down to F0, with one other model going as far as a bottom C0, making a full eight octave range. These extra keys are sometimes hidden under a small hinged lid that can cover the keys to prevent visual disorientation for pianists unfamiliar with the extra keys. On others, the colors of the extra white keys are reversed (black instead of white).  [There are no "extra" black keys to be reversed.]

===============

Let's have the drift-o-rama stop NOW! 'K?




LadyConstanze -> RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... (12/13/2010 4:11:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jaybeee


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Look, I don't think my friend went as far as to fake an official memo to have me on, we had a laugh about it because she found it absolutely ridiculous just as I did, I can't recall the exact wording as it is a while ago, but it it was to the effect that music teachers should stop calling the ebony keys on the piano black due to the racial connotation.

The wife of my boss is a teacher and I mentioned it to her because I was simply baffled, and she said there is a lot of stupidity going on, all it takes is that one minority or rather one person from a minority complains about a term and they all start to panic and start issuing stupid orders to avoid a discrimination law suit at any cost.

The classic example that went through the media not long ago was that it is perfectly alright for a Muslim working in a book shop to refuse selling bibles due to their religious feelings, fair enough, I only wonder what would happen if say a white Christian would refuse to sell the Koran to a Muslim, I bet there would be hell to pay and he would be called a racist. Or if you look at women in bhurkas (sp) with the funny eye covering driving cars, I'm frightened because their field of vision is greatly impaired, if they want to dress like ninjas, up to them, but then please don't drive cars, but again that would be racists and against their religious beliefs. I really don't get that...


Frankly I get a bit worried because most of the muslim women I know (and see) are very timid drivers, and whilst I attribute this to cultural temperament, they don't have a chance to develop good reflexes. I've gotten sick of the times I've been in a hurry, some Pakistani woman in full religious garb is driving, and she feels she HAS to plod at 20mph, and I don't sound my horn because I know she'll freeze up with that, "Oh my God a MAN is looking at me!!" look of horror in her rear-view, she won't pull over and she won't accelerate. Her natural impulse is to think she's in a dangerous situation and hit the brake - and on a road where I can't overtake, this is the LAST thing I want.

My neighbours are moslems, and lets' just say I'm delighted we all have off-street parking. The wife, lovely woman though she is, has paid twice for smashing into the 2ft-high brick wall that separates our front drives. The first THREE times I let her off, at which point enough was enough.

Come to think of it, it was her husband who settled the brickie bill...which I would even have paid myself, if he then invested in some fucking driving lessons for her!!

Oh, my mate just texted me back....let's just say I can't repeat his words. He's Jewish, btw, make of that whatever you will.



I have no problem with the religion of any driver, but those whole ninja outfits, they can't bloody see a thing, I find that ridiculous.

I don't know how the school system works and how muc autonomy schools have in their decisions, I can't call her now as it would be a bit impolite to call around midnight and ask, but she's teaching at one of the posh public schools here and since the job is considerably better paid than working just for any school, I can understand that despite finding such a new order ridiculous, she's going with it rather than risking trouble at work and them finding reasons to "let her go" - we all know that if you want to get rid of somebody you find reasons, you don't have to tell them the real reasons (for which they possibly could get sued). We both found the idea of racist piano keys amusing, at the end of the night (and towards the end of our wine bottle) we were discussing which shades of grey might be acceptable and which ones could possibly be offensive.




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