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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 5:28:40 AM

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That's the part I don't get with these upstaters whining about NYC, the city must generate more cash through Wall St. alone than the entire remainder of the state, fine it has a few economic blackspots but add on the dozens of enormous multinationals based in NYC....

Sorry, I believe the economy world's greatest city completely dwarfs the otherwise medium-sized US state that happens to house it. Compared to the city, the rest of the state's economy is likely chicken-feed (sly dig very much intended).

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 5:29:48 AM

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PA legislature there is a constant friction between the rural and urban areas... it is split evenly.

NYC while interesting to take a peek at- is not very user friendly. To navigate- to know where you are going- to not get ripped off- a zoo would be easier and more enjoyable.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 5:34:10 AM

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NYC while interesting to take a peek at- is not very user friendly. To navigate- to know where you are going- to not get ripped off- a zoo would be easier and more enjoyable.

Have you spent any period of time in NYC...not just as a visitor? This has not been my experience. Common sense is the one thing you need to navigate the city...but that's true of pretty much any place.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 5:46:41 AM

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PA legislature there is a constant friction between the rural and urban areas... it is split evenly.

NYC while interesting to take a peek at- is not very user friendly. To navigate- to know where you are going- to not get ripped off- a zoo would be easier and more enjoyable.

You are aware that they have those inventions, they are called maps and sat-navs... As for not getting ripped off, how's that different from any other city in the world? Solution is to look around and hey, the internet is a great resource.

How much revenue would a zoo bring?

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 6:44:44 AM

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I grew up in Chicago. Everyone knows Chicago is a much nicer city. Of course- New yorkers don't want to know that...

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 6:57:21 AM

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I grew up in Chicago. Everyone knows Chicago is a much nicer city. Of course- New yorkers don't want to know that...

Oh, that answers all my questions, you changed the subject and the town...

To be honest, my experience of Chicago is limited, never lived there only visited a few times but I didn't find it much different in terms having to check where you go so you won't get lost, that some things were blatantly overpriced and you had to look around... The people weren't all that different from any other big city in the world...

Btw "everybody knows" is a bit of a stupid statement, who's everybody, did you ask everybody? Can I see your statistics please? Because I'm pretty sure people who have been to both cities might disagree with you. Chicago is a nice city, so is NYC, personally I would prefer NYC because of the architecture, that it's more compact and a damned great deal less windy and cold!

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 6:59:25 AM

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I grew up in Chicago. Everyone knows Chicago is a much nicer city. Of course- New yorkers don't want to know that...

I read a comedian's take that Chicago was founded by a bunch of New Yorkers who decides that they liked NYs poverty and crime but that it didn't get cold enough in the winter.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:06:15 AM

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When I was younger- I loved to explore cities. These days- I do not.

I had not spent alot of time in NYC.   I found it confusing to get around- red lights out of no where pot holes bigger then the car, garbage dumpsters on the street where people park-- traffic jams where each car faces a different direction, signs that are vague- in that easy to leave Manhattan then you have to pay another $10 to get back in.    Things are pricey there too.   I think I seen where it was $100 to park the car.

Chicago has gotten stupid with the cost of things too. Any little thing and it is a ticket- red tape- hassles.

I would rather drive to Williamport then Harriburg.   So- much of this is just me.

If I go to Chicago- I can part way understand the street- and the toll logic. I can also find the thrift stores- the sales-- and the reduced fees days at the tourist traps. Maybe it is due to having lived there.

I don't miss the wind there - the rat race.    As you say- that is any city.    So your point is taken.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:15:44 AM

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PA legislature there is a constant friction between the rural and urban areas... it is split evenly.

NYC while interesting to take a peek at- is not very user friendly. To navigate- to know where you are going- to not get ripped off- a zoo would be easier and more enjoyable.

Hey Hunky :)

Well, I have been to Chicago and I loved it, but for me, nothing beats NYC. The whole thing is just an experience. It's like everything you could want wrapped up into one city. Slumming around in Chinatown, or dining at Per Se, theater, the subways, the vast cultural experiences, the hot waiters in Little Italy ;-) Man I never ever get enough of New York. It's like once I get there, everything comes to life, the place hums with electricity and this vibe I haven't seen anywhere, and that includes a lot of major cities throughout the world. I have been lucky enough to travel quite a bit and I just think that NYC rocks. I find it way safer than people think, easy to get around, and yes crazy but the good kind.

Oh and being a 5th generation New Englander, I kind of agree with the assessment that they can be stoic, a bit aloof, and well..stuck up does apply. There are a lot of old blue blood Wasp-y types roaming around Southwest Harbor, or Southport Island/Midcoast areas, and it's just a New England thing. We don't like being overtly emotional, and tend to come across as hard to crack, but for the most part I prefer that than the whole instant telling your life story to every stranger you meet thing. I think that the standoffish-ness is part of out whole "live and let live" philosophy and the fact that there aren't a lot of suburban areas here and a lot of us grew up kind of isolated as far as having a lot of neighbors, so it comes from childhood too, and to this day I can't tell you if I ever saw my parents or grandparents argue or discuss money or sex, because you don't do that and certainly not around children or god forbid drag that out in front of neighbors etc. Stoicism is a way of life here.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:22:47 AM

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When I lived in NYC I couldn't afford a car but didn't need one as the public transportation is great. Of course they price you silly for parking, whatcha expect, Manhattan is an island, you don't have all that much room there, in almost any city center parking is madly expensive.

You gotta try London, congestion tax, traffic jams and all that - inner cities are like that. In NYC I could always find great bargains because the shops are in competition, you learn to avoid the tourist traps or you'll end up being skinned the first few days of the month. Somebody mentioned how expensive Upstate is, I found living there in terms of rent actually amazingly cheap compared to Manhattan, supply and demand... On the other hand I found shopping for clothes more expensive, the shops don't sell as much as they do in NYC so they don't buy in bulk and don't get big discounts, also not so much of a competition, same with restaurants...

I lived in London before, I knew my way around there but it still was pricey, now I live 2 hours away from London, for what the mortgage on a 2 bedroom flat in the center would be, I pay for a house with 5 bedrooms (each of them a lot bigger than the average room in London if you aren't taking mansions around Regent's Park and other "cheap" areas), garden and all that would be. I would still rather live in the center of London because this is a town, London is a real city and I'm more of a city person. It's what you're used to and what your personal preference is.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:27:24 AM

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Lady C,

Some of my point was the Chicago-New York rivalry. (ie- second city, windy city- goes back the the worlds fair competition for a site- )

Home is where you make it. :-)

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:34:15 AM

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-- Before the Internet- the big cities were great for shopping. Now with the net- much can be found online.

The same worn out stores here - sell the same worn out stuff.... so seeing the shopping in a big city is fun. Even just to browse..

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 7:36:33 AM

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Oh I do know that, most people from Chicago have that problem with NYC, always coming 2nd, 2nd biggest city and such... I actually think Chicago is selling itself short by competing with NYC, nothing can compete with NYC because it's a trip and a half (including that crazy singing cowboy who's running around Times Square with a guitar, stars and stripes briefs and cowboy boots), but Chicago shouldn't try to replace NYC but just do their own thing and be known for that.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 8:05:50 AM

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Oh I do know that, most people from Chicago have that problem with NYC, always coming 2nd, 2nd biggest city and such... I actually think Chicago is selling itself short by competing with NYC, nothing can compete with NYC because it's a trip and a half (including that crazy singing cowboy who's running around Times Square with a guitar, stars and stripes briefs and cowboy boots), but Chicago shouldn't try to replace NYC but just do their own thing and be known for that.

Chuckles over the cowboy.

I agree.

If Chicago was such a great place- I would still live there. ;-0~ I should have left sooner. It works for some people- the city life- it just is not a good fit for
me.

I actually would like to move even further out- at least away from the busy street.

NYC I think has better mass transit- Chicago is a tad car friendly- at least to someone who is used to suburban ways.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/14/2010 9:18:26 AM

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He used to be called the "Naked Cowboy", and he was on one of Cake's video's, the "I wanna girl with a mind like a diamond" song.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/16/2010 3:28:59 PM

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I'm going to guess that the white keys were made of ivory since it was more available than the ebony wood to make the black keys. BUT! Instead of guessing I think I'll slide over to wiki and find out about the invention of the piano. I truly expect to find the choice of ebony and ivory to be based STRICTLY on the maximum difference so as to allow ease in seeing the things.

I am blown-away by the ignorance of anyone that would suggest (and institutionalize) the idea that piano craftsmen were abrogating their higest standards in favor of a racist statement (that wouldn't be recognized for humdreds of years.)

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/16/2010 3:43:05 PM

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LOL...what a question.

Put a midwestern up against a local for a job and the midwestern usually wins.
Why...we are known for are work ethics and honesty...
where as in the huge city...well,nevermind.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/16/2010 6:47:54 PM

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Manhattan is ridiculously easy to get around in. The street numbers get higher as you go south to north and the avenue numbers get higher as you go east to west. Buses and subways take you anywhere you need to go. It's also the most walkable city, everybody walks all the time.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/16/2010 6:52:36 PM

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I agree. Manhattan is ridiculously ridiculous.

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RE: Question to yanks about midwesterners.... - 12/20/2010 10:09:32 AM

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Not sure if somebody will label me a racist for that, but if I'm living in a country, shouldn't I be able to speak and understand the language?

Well, the immigrants I've known have all sincerely tried to learn/improve their English, but it doesn't happen overnight. I think it takes most people at least a few years to learn English fluently, and they may never get there 100% even with some study.

Even if somebody knows enough English to get around their day-to-day life, they might have trouble signing their kids up for school, explaining a medical problem they have at the hospital, understanding legal documents etc, and need translation services. I think that's why they have those services, not to enable people to never learn English.

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