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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 8:35:05 AM   
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I see racist people as uneducated, ignorant fucks and I wouldn't want a relationship with an uneducated ignorant fuck.


I see racists as products of their environment. Though I feel sorry for them, I wouldn't want a relationship with one either.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 8:53:50 AM   
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i've seen racism often include the terrible folly of shifting blame to an outside source which is also a red flag about their overall personality



Yes.  I've seen this one a lot too and not just about racism.  The idea that someone or some unseen social/political force is holding a person back is a cop out.  The playing field may not be level, but no one's keeping you from climbing that cliff if you so choose to put in the work and sacrifice to do so.  I interact with someone on a regular basis that blames everything under the sun for the person's utter failure at the game of life.  It doesn't take a long look, however, to figure out how many fingers are pointing right back at the person.  There's no motivation, no attempts to prepare, no urgency in the desires.  It's empty words that the person wishes to speak and someone's magic wand is supposed to poof them into reality.  Maybe I need to find the person a magic lamp since, although the person may want a magic lamp they could never have one because people "like me (referring to the person)" don't get good jobs and are overlooked for promotions so "I" don't have the money and besides people "like me" are harassed by airport security.  On and on it goes.  You'd think a magic lamp to grant one's every wish would be worth a little scrimping and saving and a naughty pat down but what do I know? 

It is a frustrating trait to deal with in another person.  It is so hard to keep from punching them sideways into a new century.  I take responsibility for myself and even beyond what might be mine to take the blame for.  Finger pointing annoys me to no end.  That's a big part of this whole discussion though.  What grounds does anyone truly have for being racist except having a scapegoat to blame all their failings on?  They can dress it up any way they like, but it doesn't change anything.  It is basic insecurity protocol.  Tear someone else down so you don't look like the puny piss ant you really are.  That puts the whole world square. 

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 8:56:05 AM   
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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 9:30:31 AM   
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I see racist people as uneducated, ignorant fucks and I wouldn't want a relationship with an uneducated ignorant fuck.


I see racists as products of their environment. Though I feel sorry for them, I wouldn't want a relationship with one either.


If you mean peer pressure then I would agree. It has to be inspired by someone and its very likely to be a peer group.
My step dad and mum are racist bigots and I was brought up in a house where everything was blamed on black and ethnic groups. They moved house once because an ethnic family moved next door! That upbringing had absolutely no influence on me. Even now my mum can't help (after a couple of glasses of wine) but slip out with the odd remark like 'No wonder there are no jobs with all those bloody immigrants and every time she gets the same answer, 'if your going to show prejudice you know where my door is. You know I don't have racist bigots in my house'.



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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 9:36:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think racism largely stems from fear, it's fear of the unknown or a deep rooted inferiority complex...

Makes me laugh when people blame the loss of jobs on all the "uneducated foreigners coming here to work for next to nothing" - seriously, if you're good at your job then somebody who barely speaks the language and has no valuable training to speak of shouldn't be a threat. If the <insert nationality> guy who hand washes cars for next to nothing is the reason why you (general you) are unemployed, you really have to think about your qualifications...

Tough I have to say I have a slight problem when people move to another country (not just the UK, any country) and go straight on benefits, but that's a different issue.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 10:15:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		The majority of jobs that I have seen filled by migrant workers, are the sort of jobs we either don't want to do or lack the skills for. The only reason we have corner shops open late into the night is because migrant workers are prepared to man them.
When my husband worked for a particular boat builder, half their work force were Polish migrant workers simply because they couldn't find enough qualified people locally.
My husband is periodically a migrant worker as his marine and sailing skills are in demand across the world.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 12:09:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Around here you mainly see them filling jobs the people don't want to do, lower end jobs that are badly paid but that might be because there is not much of a ship building industry...

Hell, I'm a foreigner though I didn't come to the UK in order to find work, I was already working for a UK company and it made more sense to move over than flying back and forth all the time and paying rent on a place that I only saw every 2 weeks for 3 or 4 days, from what I paid rent there I can pay a mortgage here, plus my other half is a Brit.

Though I do have to admit there is a certain prejudice that I meet sometimes, I have a sort of neutral accent so people can't place me and living "oop North" apparently that's rare, when we talk about education and I mention that I went to Trinity, they all tend to be a bit impressed, when I mentioned that I went to the LMU in Munich as well, I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 12:19:01 PM   
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when I mentioned that I went to the LMU in Munich as well, I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".

Have you managed to come up with a final solution to the problem of their expectations yet?

Sorry ... couldn't resist ... <hangs head in shame>

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 12:23:37 PM   
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I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".



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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 12:50:23 PM   
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What if it's something you find out after being with them for a few years like oh you find a KKK ring in their things or Nazi symbol in their stuff.


I think I have a piece or two of Nazi war memorabilia an older relative gave to me when I was a kid, some kind of medal or something.  I expect it was taken from a dead or captured SS officer.  I stuffed it in a box somewhere, and fuck if I know where it is now.  If one of my partners were to find it among my things, I doubt they would immediately assume that I'd been hiding anti-Semitism from them all these years.  If I find it again, I'll probably Ebay it.

Racism is foolish and unscientific.  I would never find someone attractive who had clearly failed to evolve a brain, so I doubt I'd ever have this problem. 


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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 12:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't tolerate racism in any form.I would have nothing to do with that person.I would find out somehow if they were racist or not before I was with that long.I have had a Black Domme before.Race is not a issue for me at all.I love all Women,period.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:04:24 PM   
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when I mentioned that I went to the LMU in Munich as well, I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".

Have you managed to come up with a final solution to the problem of their expectations yet?

Sorry ... couldn't resist ... <hangs head in shame>


I used to wind German friends up with pointing out that my half Scandinavian and half Italian blood line is clearly more Aryan than they are (Italy had a fair share of Vikings doing the rape, plunder and pillaging and the red hair is from the Italian side of the family), for some odd reason they never found it funny.

Though I had a brilliant windup with Americans, they wondered about the Ratshaus (town hall) and Ratskeller (the restaurant in the town hall), they asked what it means and why there are rats in the name, so I invented the story that rats are a delicacy and are served there as various dishes and would they care to try... Never saw anybody scrambling away in such a hurry, I later tried to explain it to them but they refused to believe it.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:12:48 PM   
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I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".



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But my handbook doesn't say anything about goosestepping, I leave that to John Cleeves, don't mention the war...

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:18:45 PM   
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I used to wind German friends up with pointing out that my half Scandinavian and half Italian blood line is clearly more Aryan than they are (Italy had a fair share of Vikings doing the rape, plunder and pillaging and the red hair is from the Italian side of the family), for some odd reason they never found it funny.

Though I had a brilliant windup with Americans, they wondered about the Ratshaus (town hall) and Ratskeller (the restaurant in the town hall), they asked what it means and why there are rats in the name, so I invented the story that rats are a delicacy and are served there as various dishes and would they care to try... Never saw anybody scrambling away in such a hurry, I later tried to explain it to them but they refused to believe it.

*chortle*

The funniest I've ever seen was from a German mate of mine. He was asking directions to a place in Coventry (this a few years back, before such nice things as cheap sat-nav and google maps) when in a large group in a pub (some friends, some just workmates and hangers-on) and some prize prat hanger-on popped up and sarcastically asked how he could consider himself an intelligent man (which he is, very much so), and not be able to navigate somewhere as simple as Coventry. His reply was an all-time classic (in his thick German accent it was even funnier):

"Ya, you are right, off course. But I haff never been zere ... my grandfather vass dere vonce tho"

"Well why don't you phone him then?!"

"I vud, but he vass only zere for von evening ... und even zen he only saw it from zer air. Und I zink zey changed most off zer road layout shortly after his visit ...".

We absolutely cracked up, and the prize prat slunk off shortly afterwards

Feel free to ask if it makes no sense, but I'm fairly sure you'll get it

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:20:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, just for the record...lol. I have had relationships with 3 different races. I'm not a racist. Or uneducated or ignorant. :)

But I was raised in a very racist environment and it was hard, considering I wasn't allowed to hang out with my high school neighbor/best friend, who is hispanic. But I still know alot of people I still spend time with from that environment, I've known them for 30 odd years. They've evolved but every now and then, someone will say something or a word that makes you go huh?

But it's rare, so I can live with that level without going off on them. Sounds like the OP is already in the relationship so I was thinking along those lines. And communication being the answer, as it is in most issues. Going into a relationship, racism wouldn't sit well with me either.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:29:14 PM   
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Fuck racists! Fuck bigots of any stripe! I hate 'em! I hate 'em! I hate 'em! (yes, I am aware of the irony)

That's my position on the topic and I'm sticking to it.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:34:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, yeah I kinda get it, though it could have gotten him into trouble though... But honestly, thick German accents are horrible, almost as bad as some guttural grunts around here, mind you other half's godfather called a while ago and his Welsh accent was so thick, that it took me a while to figure out that somebody was actually speaking English on the phone...

I think I said it before, but I got along really well with most Germans, some of them even get my humour, with Americans it can be a bit difficult sometimes, especially if you keep a straight face.

After an engagement I canceled when I was 19 (gave a fair 6 weeks notice), I didn't want to return anytime soon as my parents were pretty pissed off (had invited the families, rented the town hall for the reception, dress ready, cathedral booked, caterers had planned the food, band ordered... you get the drift...) and the groom to be was too (though he had a humour bypass which lead me to canceling the whole thing in lieu of divorcing or killing him), so when I ended up in Australia, studying for a while at the University of Melbourne, I thought I might ring my dad and do so at his work, got his secretary (who was German) and told her to pass on that I am in Melbourne, her reply was classic "You know how your dad hates to be bothered with petty details, continent please..."

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:39:12 PM   
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when I mentioned that I went to the LMU in Munich as well, I get all sorts of stereotypes about how I managed to deal with those "harsh Germans", when I tell them absolutely fine and I lived and worked there for quite a few years, they look at me as if they'd expect me to goosestep any second and start shouting "Jawohl".

Have you managed to come up with a final solution to the problem of their expectations yet?

Sorry ... couldn't resist ... <hangs head in shame>


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You scoundrel you!!! Good God man, that was hilarious!! Keep 'em coming!!



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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:40:04 PM   
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Though I had a brilliant windup with Americans, they wondered about the Ratshaus (town hall) and Ratskeller (the restaurant in the town hall), they asked what it means and why there are rats in the name, so I invented the story that rats are a delicacy and are served there as various dishes and would they care to try... Never saw anybody scrambling away in such a hurry, I later tried to explain it to them but they refused to believe it.


Just curious... where in America were these Americans from? The term Rathskeller, meaning a basment bar, is fairly common in my parts... but then we do have a large German population around here.


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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:46:50 PM   
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LOL, yeah I kinda get it, though it could have gotten him into trouble though...

He was in no danger. There were enough of us (2 or 3) biker friends of his to make sure he was as safe as houses. Anyone ripping the piss and not being prepared to take it in return (especially when it's returned with topspin), as per prize prat, is a fuckwit, and I'll cheerfully tell them so to their faces.

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But honestly, thick German accents are horrible

To your ear of course they might be, but to me, raised on a long tradition of British comedy, I merely find them highly amusing ... and my mate knows this, and tends to act up on it somewhat.

German is also an excellent accent for doing deadpan humour in - it's somehow "more deadpan" and more serious than non-accented English, in my opinion at least

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After an engagement I canceled when I was 19 (gave a fair 6 weeks notice), I didn't want to return anytime soon as my parents were pretty pissed off (had invited the families, rented the town hall for the reception, dress ready, cathedral booked, caterers had planned the food, band ordered... you get the drift...) and the groom to be was too (though he had a humour bypass which lead me to canceling the whole thing in lieu of divorcing or killing him), so when I ended up in Australia, studying for a while at the University of Melbourne, I thought I might ring my dad and do so at his work, got his secretary (who was German) and told her to pass on that I am in Melbourne, her reply was classic "You know how your dad hates to be bothered with petty details, continent please..."

lol! You see? You couldn't make that sort of thing up!

I'd tell the Lufthansa joke, but it's only funny with the accent, in person.

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