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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 1:55:48 PM

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Though I had a brilliant windup with Americans, they wondered about the Ratshaus (town hall) and Ratskeller (the restaurant in the town hall), they asked what it means and why there are rats in the name, so I invented the story that rats are a delicacy and are served there as various dishes and would they care to try... Never saw anybody scrambling away in such a hurry, I later tried to explain it to them but they refused to believe it.

Just curious... where in America were these Americans from? The term Rathskeller, meaning a basment bar, is fairly common in my parts... but then we do have a large German population around here.

Not a clue, I was a student and earning quite a bit of money by being a tour guide for tourists in Munich (plus they usually plied me with free booze), always having liked history that was fairly easy.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 2:11:53 PM

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I'm just wondering I mean think about if it's a sub you can order them to keep there mouth shut maybe even ball gag them around friends but if it's your Dom or Domina what do you do?

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Ok, for me, it would be unlikely that I would get involved with someone who had such profoundly dichotomous views concerning race, religion, gender, etc., that I would feel compelled to gag them so as not to have to hear their opinions. The same goes for my friends and associates who are of dominant mein... if I associate with them, then it is likely that I don't find their politics, philosophies, or behaviors off-putting or wildly dichotomous to my own.

If I were a servant, and my Keepers had behaviors that I found reprehensible and which were deeply instilled (as bigotry typically is), I would find a different situation, period.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 4:18:43 PM

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Ok, for me, it would be unlikely that I would get involved with someone who had such profoundly dichotomous views concerning race, religion, gender, etc., that I would feel compelled to gag them so as not to have to hear their opinions. The same goes for my friends and associates who are of dominant mein... if I associate with them, then it is likely that I don't find their politics, philosophies, or behaviors off-putting or wildly dichotomous to my own.

If I were a servant, and my Keepers had behaviors that I found reprehensible and which were deeply instilled (as bigotry typically is), I would find a different situation, period.

Calla

The thing that I tend to struggle with is how people think skin colour makes such a difference, in that case, wouldn't hair colour and colour of eyes be equally important (though clearly red headed people with green eyes are vastly superior nobody will deny that

), I always found education makes the biggest difference, I'm not even talking about Ivy League schools or their European equivalents, just good basic education that enables people who want to to learn more. A fertile mind is a terrible thing to waste and brain cells tend to be oblivious to race...

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 5:36:46 PM

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I'm just wondering I mean think about if it's a sub you can order them to keep there mouth shut maybe even ball gag them around friends but if it's your Dom or Domina what do you do?

Shame on me for not knowing this before they are apart of my life.... Shame on me for keeping them in my life........

Out the door such people go........ I don't waste time on such individuals!!!! in any type of relationship.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 6:43:41 PM

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I used to be much more tolerant of other people's actions than I am today. My thinking was that if they didn't do anything bad to me personally, I would continue a relationship with them. No matter how they treated others. I no longer feel that way. I'm much more selective of my friends & lovers. If you were in a bar & someone walked in & shot everyone there except for you, would you think that they were still ok because they hadn't done anything bad to you??

I totally agree.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 11:10:11 PM

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Like some others have mentioned, I think bigotry is very difficult to hide. I can't imagine being in a relationship with someone for a few years and never seeing any signs that they were racist. Even if they know better than to make particularly blatant displays, I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to suppress it totally. And if someone is ignorant, it's really hard to hide that. I'm pretty sure there are times when my racist grandmother honestly believes she's paying someone a compliment, but she still comes across as awkward at best and painfully ignorant at worst.

I don't think I could be in a relationship with a bigot. It would seriously affect my respect for them, and I can't be with someone whom I don't respect. Though, if I found Nazi paraphernalia or something and it didn't make any sense, I'd ask them about it.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 11:29:09 PM

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I think the lovely LadyC nails it :

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I think racism largely stems from fear, it's fear of the unknown or a deep rooted inferiority complex...

I overheard a fascinating conversation between two people on a train a month or so ago. It was about the Polish who have come to the UK. It went something along the lines of "What the fuck are these people doing, coming 2000 miles to take our jobs".

I was tempted to join in along the lines of "Yeah, sneaky fucking bastards, they leave their homes and everything they know, they travel 2000 miles, to a foreign country, learn a new language and then send half their pay back to their families - Fucking sneaky low-lifes!"

If the native English (an absurd term itself given how many different races have mingled to create"English" DNA) had a quarter of the work ethic of these immigrants we'd be in far better shape than we are now - but that work ethic is frightening to the meatheads that think they're too good to pick vegetables and would rather be on welfare.

The other story, which will need tissues (because it's sad, not because it's sexy) is about a gorgeous girl I met in the 80's. She was from South Africa. Sexy, athletic, with a really dirty glint in her eye. Her family had come to the UK from SA (in what some white south africans called the "chicken run" as White South Africans that could get UK passports ran away from the growing instability of SA.

To cut a long story - everything was perfect about this girl, except that she absolutely couldn't understand why black children were allowed to go to the same school as her. The idea genuinely revolted her.

So there was no way I could date her. The excruciatingly sad thing, was that this girl wasn't a fuckwit, or a monster, she was just a produce of a really fucked up society. So while I couldn't date her, I couldn't hate her either.

Very few people have the excuse of cultural indoctrination - Most rascists are really just fuckwits. There's no way I could date a fuckwit, especially if she was a Frog.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/15/2010 11:33:37 PM

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There's no way I could date a fuckwit, especially if she was a Frog.

Now, THAT is funny.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/16/2010 12:15:37 AM

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Come on.
Racists are rather easy to spot.

You aren't doing your homework.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/16/2010 5:27:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: crazyml
I overheard a fascinating conversation between two people on a train a month or so ago. It was about the Polish who have come to the UK. It went something along the lines of "What the fuck are these people doing, coming 2000 miles to take our jobs".

2,000 miles? Their geography is waaaaaaay off.

I live in a part of London that's massively ethnic, and I love it. Every nation under the sun here, including Poles. Nice folk and, as you say, highly industrious. You can get Polish pickles and suchlike in our local supermarkets, and there's a Polish language version of the local paper.

Many are going home now though, with the recession and cutbacks and suchlike. Britain is being turned into such a 3rd world nation that even Poland's more appealing

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/16/2010 5:29:51 AM

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I don't date racists so it's not a problem.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/16/2010 6:36:24 AM

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I overheard a fascinating conversation between two people on a train a month or so ago. It was about the Polish who have come to the UK. It went something along the lines of "What the fuck are these people doing, coming 2000 miles to take our jobs".

I was tempted to join in along the lines of "Yeah, sneaky fucking bastards, they leave their homes and everything they know, they travel 2000 miles, to a foreign country, learn a new language and then send half their pay back to their families - Fucking sneaky low-lifes!"

True, but then you also assume that all of them come only to work, in the UK you're slightly more sheltered due to location, on the continent the open EU caused a lot of problems because it made it easier for criminals to cross borders if the borders are open, now if you grew up in a system that was build on corruption and it was what all you knew, you can't expect that everybody will adapt over night. Being an island has advantages because it's a lot harder to come to the UK than it is just to drive a few miles and be in another country, with the added problem that the countries police forces often don't work all that well together.

Along with a lot of hardworking people you sometimes have criminals tagging along, the criminals are the ones people hear about and notice, you got 1000 hard working people doing the jobs nobody else wants to do, among those 1000 are maybe 2 criminals or shady characters, who will the media mention and who will people notice? That's going to feed prejudices...

Also the people that are leaving their countries in large numbers to do the jobs nobody else wants to do, in a lot of cases they are not the most educated people, they'll have a problem learning the language, they'll run into prejudices, they will have a problem adapting in a lot of cases, so they rather stick with their own group because they are made to feel unwelcome by the locals, which then leads to the problem that you're getting little ghettos and the people on the train can complain that they're now taking over housing estates.... If they aren't integrated it will always the "them and us" situation, but given the way it is how can it happen?

I'm not sure there is an easy solution, in Germany it failed completely, due to their past they were so paranoid that they did positive discrimination, in short if you were a minority you often got better treatment than the citizens and the citizens were told to be more tolerant. That's completely crazy because which better way to give resentment and racism a breeding ground. Personally I think if somebody moves to another country, they should try their best to learn the language, that's a given, they shouldn't be treated worse but also not better, and I think they should try to fit in.

One thing that often does strike me the wrong way is that if people from a completely different cultural background come to countries and expect the new country to accommodate them and change before they actually ever did anything for the country, nothing against tolerance but tolerance goes both ways.

Not sure if that makes me a racist, but I learned that when dealing with Russia, you're better off smoothing your path with "gratitudes" (preferably in bills) or else obstacles happen... We see it as corruption, for them it's their way of doing business. Just like in a lot of Asian countries "Yes" doesn't mean "Yes, I agree with you and we have a deal!" - it often means "Yes, I hear what you are saying, but I am not committing myself to the deal yet!"

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/16/2010 7:23:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: SAMHAIN09

I'm just wondering I mean think about if it's a sub you can order them to keep there mouth shut maybe even ball gag them around friends but if it's your Dom or Domina what do you do?

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What if it's something you find out after being with them for a few years like oh you find a KKK ring in their things or Nazi symbol in their stuff.

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Yeah? Also what if they hide it because they are afraid you will leave them?

First of all, i would not knowingly be with Someone Who was racist. i see racism as closed-minded ignorant generalizations by people who refuse to educate themselves. If they hide it at first, as soon as i found out they were, i would be out the door. If i found something that made them look racist, first i would ask them about it. That word assume can be tricky, and you know what they say about it. If they happen to actually be racist, yes, i would leave, no matter if we'd been together for awhile or not. i will not have racists for friends, so i wouldn't knowingly be in a relationship with one either.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/17/2010 6:51:47 PM

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Normally I would not say this, because I realize the boards are here for people to learn - but this question kind of bothers me. I dont know how old the OP is, but in this country, it was and may still be life threatening to be a person of color. I dont think racism should be tolerated. Having said that, racism is deeply embedded in American culture; we have the terrible histories of slavery and genocide of American Indians. I think there has been enough suffering endured by people of color, and other "monorityy" groups. I made it a hard limit in my life years ago that I would not tolerate racism. I hope the OP will think about what it really means when someone is racist.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/17/2010 10:32:17 PM

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I would dump them right away. I'm strongly against discrimination. And being of Maori decent and scottish decent on both sides of my family and decended from several European cultures, racists can go fuck themselves for all I care. I have no right to be racist. No-one has the right to be racist.

And if anyone I know is racist then that is absolutly disgusting.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/17/2010 10:42:55 PM

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Racism is a stupid waste of time and energy. i have no time for anyone who exhibits any signs of racism whatsoever.

i think it shows a lack of intellect and extreme closemindedness.

Skin color and/or ethnicity doesn't determine a person's value or worth, their character does. Anyone who is racist is poor in character in my book.

If i had a Dom who was racist i'd toss him to the curb.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/18/2010 6:46:59 AM

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I'd tell 'em to hit the bricks, it's a pet peeve of mine.

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/18/2010 9:38:22 AM

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Haven't read the thread, only the op. But my reply is a simple one. I say : "see ya......"

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/18/2010 9:47:58 AM

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Normally I would not say this, because I realize the boards are here for people to learn - but this question kind of bothers me. I dont know how old the OP is, but in this country, it was and may still be life threatening to be a person of color. I dont think racism should be tolerated. Having said that, racism is deeply embedded in American culture; we have the terrible histories of slavery and genocide of American Indians. I think there has been enough suffering endured by people of color, and other "monorityy" groups. I made it a hard limit in my life years ago that I would not tolerate racism. I hope the OP will think about what it really means when someone is racist.

Not disagreeing with that, but it should be noted there's plenty of racism by "people of colour" (as you put it) too.

It ain't just whitey you gotta worry about

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RE: What do you do when you have a sub or dom thats rac... - 12/18/2010 10:26:02 AM

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I agree with that too.

I also wonder if people think that anti-Semitism belongs in discussion about racism- because there is plenty of that too.

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