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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I'd be careful, or they might tell you what they do with the lamb before it ends on your plate

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I'd love to see that, LadyC!!

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
There are no contradictions in my case, moral or otherwise. A conscriptee usually doesn't want to fight, and even less to kill. The true psycho LOOKS for a reason to kill, and finds it, in beautifully legal format, complete with the pretext of "I'm just defending my country!!", by volunteering to join the armed forces.

Isn't that 'Hide' button looking so much more tempting this morning?

Ah ok, so military=bad, but Israeli military=good. Got it.

I have to say I do find it odd that you're perfectly sanguine supporting (by holidaying there, thus funding their economy) a state which has a) utilised its military to kill civilians of foreign nations, b) targeted and killed journalists trying to report on possible atrocities in areas it is involved in conflicts in, and c) used its secret police to murder people it considers its enemies on other nations' soils, and yet you get miffed by American citizens verbally supporting their service personnel.

The “Hide” button is not “looking so much more tempting this morning” because you're debating reasonably, without use of bile, but I have to say what respect I had for your position has evaporated with your most recent comments. I believed you were taking a moral stance against something you believed deeply in, but the fact you're prepared to prop up a state that commits such heinous acts of violence, espionage and murder, in the name of a sunny holiday with a few fit chicks thrown in, really does both surprise and disappoint me. Seriously, I'm actually genuinely surprised. Shocked even, now I think about it.

Israel has a right to defend itself, absolutely it does. But many of its actions go far beyond reasonable “defence” parameters, and on occasion venture into state-sponsored terrorism territory. I would have thought that sort of thing would be an anathema to you.

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
Don't be (deliberately I hope) stupid. By your logic I should stop holidaying in the US. You don't penalise a people for the stupid actions of their government. Most of them didn't ask to be born Israeli, but they were.

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
Don't be (deliberately I hope) stupid. By your logic I should stop holidaying in the US. You don't penalise a people for the stupid actions of their government. Most of them didn't ask to be born Israeli, but they were.

You and I clearly have hugely differing moral standards. I wouldn't dream of holidaying somewhere I considered morally bankrupt.

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
But you'll associate with people who are trained to murder. Oh well.

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
But you'll associate with people who are trained to murder. Oh well.

"Kill" is not the same as "murder".

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But thanks for putting your "moral" outpourings on the subject into context. I certainly won't be taking them seriously anymore, so in one way you've made yourself look good

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ORIGINAL: Jaybeee
I'm sure you won't. You haven't struck me as the type to look the harsh truth in the face, and I doubt that'll change for you.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop
RF.. we have sun here.. and I wont question yer morals ;)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
Everything here is frozen over and it's a bit like a skating rink, tons of snow expected tonight though

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
But you know what's going to happen, a few snow flakes and the UK comes to a stand still... Have you bought milk and bread? That always amuses me, a bit of snow and everybody buys milk and bread...

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

After reading all the responses so far on this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I must not be reading much of what is posted here in the forums.  I just haven't really seen a lot of bigoted, hateful, self-righteous, or mean people posting.  Either that, or there's only one or two people like that and it just happens that everyone has them blocked....  

I think you might have something there.  Other than the people who occasionally put up icky pickies, I've only had 2 people on hide for longer than a couple of days - those two are on hide for the long haul.  The third I just put on the other day. 

As a side note, I've reached a perfect solution for unwanted guests at my front door.  I just don't answer it.  It's my door and there's no requirement that I open it for anyone just because they knock or ring the bell.  Same goes for the phone. 

I do the same thing!  I do get frustrated if someone says "HEY call me at such and such a time!" and I do, and they don't answer.  That irritates me mostly because there aren't many hours in the day when we are both actually up.  And I *miss* my friends so very much!
 
Look at that Treasure... we are thinking alike again.. scary!

Caller ID is one of the best conveniences of the last century.  I don't answer the phone just because it rings.  Instead, it's because I actually want to talk to the person on the other end.