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truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:23:43 PM)
Jihad- as inseparable from Islam as the Cross from Christianity.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:24:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Please don't make me regret this. Why? And, why just Catholics in Ireland? If it is truly religious in nature, why aren't Italian Catholics, say, fighting a religious war against Protestants? Swedish Catholics? Argentenian Catholics? By your logic, if we can find a place where Christians and Muslims coexist peacefully, then this whole Muslims are agressive thing goes out the wall. People have been initiating deadly attacks on each other based on religion ever since the first religion was established. We Christians have just as much blood on our hands as anyone. Some of this blood is recent. Just because you wish history was different doesnt make it so [:D]

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:26:16 PM)
I started to respond to this the first time..... Let's accept your statement about the causality of the difference as true. The difference is still there.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:34:00 PM)
HW, I am more concerned about today, and tomorrow. And the fact is that the aggression coming from Islam is unmatched today. It seems both obvious and inevitable to me that Islam will get the WW so many of their leaders want, that they will try violently to establish their worldwide caliphate, and that they will make the attempt before either they run out of oil or we become less dependent on it. Wishing for a different future while ignoring the clear trends of the present will not change things. Sun T'zu was right.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:47:43 PM)
quote: As far as the word Jihad is concerned there is a misconception not only among the Non-Muslims, but also among some Muslims. What most people think is that any war fought by any Muslim for any reason, whether it be for his personal gains, whether it be for political gains, whether it be for language or whether it be for colour, it is called as Jihad. Jihad does not mean any war fought by any Muslim; Jihad comes from Arabic word “Jahada” which means to strive to struggle; so Jihad basically means to strive or struggle. In Islamic context it means to strive against one’s own evil inclinations, it also means to strive to make the society better, it even includes striving in the battlefield to fight in self-defense and it also means to fight against oppression and tyranny. Therefore, it means to strive or struggle. Many people have the misconception that Jihad means ‘Holy War’. The Arabic word for Holy War is “Harbum Muqaddasah”. If you read the Holy Quran, no where in the Quran, not even a single verse, and no where in the authentic Ahadith of Prophet (peace be upon him) is the word “Harbum Muqaddasah” mentioned. There is no “Harbum Muqaddasah” at all. The translation of Jihad is not ‘Holy War’ at all. This word ‘Holy War’ was first used by the historians to describe the Crusades of the Christians: who spread Christianity and who killed thousands of people in the name of Christianity. As the Austrian Catholic philosopher, Hans Koechler points out, “Literally, "holy war" is the translation of the Latin term bellum sanctum which was used to describe a " crusade " against the "Saracens" in the Middle Ages; thus, this notion was part of the doctrine of the Roman-Catholic Church over many centuries." Unfortunately many (such as the western media, Non-Muslims and even some Muslims) translate Jihad as ‘Holy War’. It is a mistranslation and this mistake needs to be rectified. http://haroonbaloch.blogspot.com/2007/02/meaning-of-jihad.html

Rule -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:54:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave It seems both obvious and inevitable to me that Islam will get the WW so many of their leaders want The policy of world wars seems to have been abolished. Instead countries are picked off one by one.

lickenforyou -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 5:56:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I started to respond to this the first time..... Let's accept your statement about the causality of the difference as true. The difference is still there. Yeah, but it's not because of some wonderful Christian values. It's because saner people have taken over the reigns.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 6:08:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lickenforyou quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I started to respond to this the first time..... Let's accept your statement about the causality of the difference as true. The difference is still there. Yeah, but it's not because of some wonderful Christian values. It's because saner people have taken over the reigns. And they haven't in Islam, which is what makes it 1) a religous war and 2) so fucking dangerous.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 6:18:24 PM)
Again, accepting your premise as true- I wish saner heads would prevail in some Muslim countries, starting with Iran and the PLO... Maybe they could even find people who don't beieve the Joooooos tried to blow up the Mexican Parliament...

lickenforyou -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 7:07:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave Again, accepting your premise as true- I wish saner heads would prevail in some Muslim countries, starting with Iran and the PLO... Maybe they could even find people who don't beieve the Joooooos tried to blow up the Mexican Parliament... Well, I don't disagree with that, but there is a whole different dynamic in that part of the world. Huge portions are incredibly rural with immense poverty. They have foreigners who don't look like them and who have vastly different cultures meddling in their affairs, killing their fellow countrymen and helping the leaders become even more wealthy. I'm quite sure if the situation was reversed you'd see some pretty violent Christians, and non - Christians for that matter. I don't think condemning an entire religion is productive or even accurate. They are not more violent than Christians they are simply living, almost physically in an earlier century.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 7:35:05 PM)
"They have foreigners who don't look like them and who have vastly different cultures meddling in their affairs, killing their fellow countrymen and helping the leaders become even more wealthy" Afghanistan, Iraq?? Mind you, they weren't just sitting there fulfilling their international legal obligations, being good global citizens. Even giving their illiterate peasantry some sort of pass, they're where the are because of the actions of their wealtheir, educated leaders. The seething hatred emanating from Iran, from Yemen, from... Islam, has other causes, methinks, and its not the Crusades but the Koran. "They are not more violent than Christians " Surely you jest. Lets start by talking about art. And cartoons. I cannot understand why rational Western people apologize for an ideology that is blatantly, violently homophobic, unbelievably sexist, intolerant, militant...... I'd rather sleep with Aryan Nation dogs than wake up with Islamic fleas (and the Aryan Nations doean't like my racial makeup any more than the Muslims like my religion. It's just that the AN isn't as violent).

Elisabella -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 8:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I cannot understand why rational Western people apologize for an ideology that is blatantly, violently homophobic, unbelievably sexist, intolerant, militant...... Probably because for all its faults, the Bible is a cornerstone of Western culture.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 9:55:10 PM)
Only the most protected of privileged hothouse flowers, not just completely inexperienced in the violence of the world but protected from it to the point of immunity, could be so silly as to consider as comparable the plight of women and homosexuals under sharia to that of anyone in any western, pseudo-Christian nation. Just plain silly.

Elisabella -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 10:22:58 PM)
quote: I cannot understand why rational Western people apologize for an ideology that is blatantly, violently homophobic, unbelievably sexist, intolerant, militant...... Your comment was regarding the ideology, not the practice. Just because we don't stone homosexuals and adulterers doesn't mean it's not part of that ideology. I think all three of the Abrahamic religions are barbaric at the core, the more civilized a nation is the less it adheres to the entirety of the religious text.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 10:59:09 PM)
How many adulterers and homosexuals have been stoned by Christians or Jews in the last, I dunno, 200 years? There are no Christian leaders, preachers, priests, whatever, calling for death to much of anyone, even in capital crimes, certainly not for sexual sins. Do you know why sharia calls for cutting off the right hands of thieves? This moral equivalency thing is for the weak of mind.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 11:06:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave How many adulterers and homosexuals have been stoned by Christians or Jews in the last, I dunno, 200 years? There are no Christian leaders, preachers, priests, whatever, calling for death to much of anyone, even in capital crimes, certainly not for sexual sins. Do you know why sharia calls for cutting off the right hands of thieves? This moral equivalency thing is for the weak of mind. hmm...I guess it has been more than 200 years since stopped building bridges from witches and just weighed them.

truckinslave -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 11:10:44 PM)
The Salem witch trials are universally considered an abomination and are unique in their aberration. 28% of British Muslims admitted they would not report knowledge of another, impending subway attack. Terrorist bombings and suicide bombers are a worldwide phenomenon with a single source: Islam.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 11:47:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave The Salem witch trials are universally considered an abomination and are unique in their aberration. 28% of British Muslims admitted they would not report knowledge of another, impending subway attack. Terrorist bombings and suicide bombers are a worldwide phenomenon with a single source: Islam. Lol...in case you missed it, I was joking. We agree totally.

Elisabella -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/29/2010 11:48:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave The Salem witch trials are universally considered an abomination and are unique in their aberration. quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave There are no Christian leaders, preachers, priests, whatever, calling for death to much of anyone, even in capital crimes, certainly not for sexual sins. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.The state government reports that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT. The Church is also reported to encourage the NLFT to murder Hindus, particularly infants. NLFT has also declared a ban against Hindus celebrating Durga Puja and other Hindu festivals. In Assam, an extremest group named Manmasi National Christian Army (MNCA) with around 15 members from the Hmar ethnic group, have placed bloodstained crosses in Hindu temples and forced Hindus to convert at gunpoint. The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle. During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks, were accused of being carried out by individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements; including the Lambs of Christ. A group called Concerned Christians were deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999, believing that their deaths would "lead them to heaven." The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was religious. Hutaree was a Christian militia group based in Adrian, Michigan. In 2010, after an FBI agent infiltrated the group, nine of its members were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy to use of improvised explosive devices, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence.

Kirata -> RE: Islam and illogic (12/30/2010 1:34:24 AM)
I swear, it's like playing Whack-a-Mole around here sometimes, ain't it? [:D] K.

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