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Edwynn -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 10:35:37 AM)
Were it to be a local issue, quite a few areas in the country would be lucky to provide up to grade six, and at least a few not even that. Unless by lying fault of bad education at the hands of federal funding you are trying to explain to us why, let's say, Germans for example, are such dumbasses.

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 12:11:51 PM)
This is an excerpt from a letter I wrote to a friend who has become interested in what I've written. ... Again, this is a matter of faith. Apparently, we don't have a great deal of faith that the sky won't fall unless we keep it from falling perhaps much like ancient people made sacrifices to the sun god so the sun would continue to shine. There is evidence that suggests our policies are guided more by religion/mysticism than fact.

wittynamehere -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 12:17:22 PM)
The letter from Tim Geithner to Harry Reid the other day is interesting. "We are facing a complete shutdown of the US if the debt ceiling isn't raised so we can borrow money out of thin air to keep things going this way." Historic document, really. Anyone who is aware of this letter and doesn't realize how close we are to the edge is truly lost (and needs to be pushed over imo). quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Maybe we should shut down the government. ...no federal reserve (which would mean no banks could clear checks or direct deposits from other banks). Woops! The federal reserve is a private bank and has nothing to do with the government in any way. So a govt shutdown wouldn't include banking at all, unfortunately. But there's a reason for this - the banks control the govt and therefore aren't reliant on it's continuation. :) (Look it up, if you're confused.)

wittynamehere -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 12:19:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Unless by lying fault of bad education at the hands of federal funding you are trying to explain to us why, let's say, Germans for example, are such dumbasses. Huh? The Germans have one of the best education systems in the world, far surpassing the USA, and they have the strongest economy in all of Europe. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed it? The USA is somewhere around 50th place when ranking countries of the world by their educational systems. Not much to brag about when third world countries are providing better educations imo.

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 1:02:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Unless by lying fault of bad education at the hands of federal funding you are trying to explain to us why, let's say, Germans for example, are such dumbasses. Huh? The Germans have one of the best education systems in the world, far surpassing the USA, and they have the strongest economy in all of Europe. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed it? The USA is somewhere around 50th place when ranking countries of the world by their educational systems. Not much to brag about when third world countries are providing better educations imo. If Edwynn were willing to be more explicit, it might be easier to comment. I gather from what Edwynn said that Germans are dumb-asses at making cheese. I am reasonably confident that the French would agree. With such a good educational system, you have to wonder, Why are the French superior?

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 2:49:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM I would not be surprised that 66.6 or as I've pointed out 666 is a magic number of sorts, that the portions were deliberately worked out, according to an occult theory, so that the proportion came to this number. Stated in another "more scientific" way, 66.6 is obviously a bias point of some sort due to its symmetry. The number is much too symmetric to be mere coincidence, that is the result of random influences. In all due respect to BenevolentM, wink, couldn't there be a more mundane explanation? BenevolentM: There is certainly a bias point. It could be that the numbers are mickey mouse because there is no real way to assess what the correct values are or should be in which case you might as well use some hocus pocus. People are often faced with this dilemma when trying to price merchandise, for example. They claim that the process is rational. People/companies are often in the position of having to guess at what a product should sell for or service be offered for based on a handful of considerations, however. If pricing were rational, there wouldn't be so many items being sold on television for $19.95.

mnottertail -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 2:52:29 PM)
in that case, the rationale is usually 1.66666 or 1.67 cost.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 3:16:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Were it to be a local issue, quite a few areas in the country would be lucky to provide up to grade six, and at least a few not even that. Unless by lying fault of bad education at the hands of federal funding you are trying to explain to us why, let's say, Germans for example, are such dumbasses. You might want to know what youre talking about before you behave like such a wise ass. There are so many differences that have nothing to do with how its funded, and not all of them are positive. Education is primarily a local issue, run at the State level, not the Federal level. They dont try to send every numbnuts to college. they have a very focused vocational education system that both prepares those students for real life, and doesnt drag the U bound population down. Only 30% of German HS students move on to college (and thats up from 10%, creating major overcrowding problems). In the US its 70%. They have 20% more days of school in a year. They have schools of choice after meeting academic threshholds. The curriclum is almost exclusively academics, with very limited art, PE/sports and music (leading to higher academic achievement but not necessarily better rounded individuals), and none of the waste of time touchy feely liberal bullshit courses.

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 6:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail in that case, the rationale is usually 1.66666 or 1.67 cost. You may have something there. The one is only there so that the product is the cost plus markup. So the rule of thumb is if you have no idea what figure to use, set the markup to 66.6% of the cost.

Termyn8or -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 7:10:34 PM)
"You might want to know what youre talking about " With a public education in the US, are you kidding ? T

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 7:33:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Leeme tell y'all something, lowlifes vote all the time. The rich vote for people who promose tax breaks for the rich, they do not concern themselves with the welfare of the country. Middle class proletarians vote for those who proimise tax cuts for their ilk. Welfare dregs vote for those who promise more for them. Any muthafuker in here who says different is a bald faced liar. I agree. I have never and nor shall I ever vote unless they come up with a candidate from us, the people. Not Harvard or Yale, how about a highschool dropout who built a substantuial business ? How abotu a true leader, not a sellout, a mere panderer of votes ? Where are these people ? Unfortunately, if people fitting this description were elected, I doubt the outcome would be any different. Even if they didn't take the bribes, they would be subject to threats and vandalism. Consider what happened to Gifford's office when she voted in favor of health care reform. The US does not have a government that's for the people by the people. It hasn't been that way for a long time. The US government is run for the corporations by the corporations. They find ways to get what they want.

Edwynn -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 8:13:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy You might want to know what youre talking about before you behave like such a wise ass. They dont try to send every numbnuts to college. they have a very focused vocational education system that both prepares those students for real life, and doesnt drag the U bound population down. Only 30% of German HS students move on to college (and thats up from 10%, creating major overcrowding problems). In the US its 70%. You might want to know what is being talked about before you behave like such a dumb ass. The subject was federal funding for elementary through HS public education, not university, or what percentage of, etc. quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Education is primarily a local issue, run at the State level, not the Federal level. Just as in the US. Nothing in my post claimed otherwise. And funded by both state and federal revenues, just as in the US. What is your point here?

Edwynn -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 8:14:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Unless by lying fault of bad education at the hands of federal funding you are trying to explain to us why, let's say, Germans for example, are such dumbasses. Huh? The Germans have one of the best education systems in the world, far surpassing the USA, and they have the strongest economy in all of Europe. Or were you being sarcastic and I missed it? The USA is somewhere around 50th place when ranking countries of the world by their educational systems. Not much to brag about when third world countries are providing better educations imo. "Or were you being sarcastic and I missed it?" Yes. But even though I was decently educated myself, I should have said "Unless by -laying- fault of bad education at the hands of ... ". Oh well, at least I caught the mistake.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 8:19:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy You might want to know what youre talking about before you behave like such a wise ass. They dont try to send every numbnuts to college. they have a very focused vocational education system that both prepares those students for real life, and doesnt drag the U bound population down. Only 30% of German HS students move on to college (and thats up from 10%, creating major overcrowding problems). In the US its 70%. You might want to know what is being talked about before you behave like such a dumb ass. The subject was federal funding for elementary through HS public education, not university, or what percentage of, etc. Just as in the US. Nothing in my post claimed otherwise. And funded by both state and federal revenues, just as in the US. What is your point here? No, the thread is about the Dept of Education, which is not just K-12. And if you don't get my point, go back to 3rd grade reading, because I made it very clear.

Edwynn -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 8:29:21 PM)
My original comment was that elementary schools were being closed, whereupon it was commented by another that the federal government had no business funding that anyway. Nothing in either post mentioned the Dept. of Education. PS The original thread was about the debt ceiling, no mention of the Dept. of Education in the OP either. Just a hint.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/12/2011 11:31:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn My original comment was that elementary schools were being closed, whereupon it was commented by another that the federal government had no business funding that anyway. Nothing in either post mentioned the Dept. of Education. PS The original thread was about the debt ceiling, no mention of the Dept. of Education in the OP either. Just a hint. Just a hint: you replied to my post 58 which in turn quoted your response to truckin's call to end federal funding of education. Try to keep up.

Termyn8or -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/13/2011 12:20:30 AM)
FR PUT IT OUT HERE MATHEMATICALLY HOW WE GET OUT OF DEBT BY RAISING THE DEBT. PERIOD. T

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/13/2011 1:22:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR PUT IT OUT HERE MATHEMATICALLY HOW WE GET OUT OF DEBT BY RAISING THE DEBT. PERIOD. T If youre addressing me, I never said you could.

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/13/2011 2:12:32 AM)
I want to believe that everything will be fine. Some fear that this year will bring a total collapse of the world financial system, but sometimes a fear of a thing is worse than the thing itself. What I'm saying is at least wait for the market to crash before you consider jumping out the window. I feel there is hope in that we are more aware of the problems than we were in 1998 and are in a better position to manage things down for it. We are no longer in denial that bad things can happen. As a nation we have been sleep walking for a long time. It was obvious that there was going to be a housing crisis and there was something wrong years before the 1998 crash. Yet, we just let it all happen before our very eyes. Good sense does not rule our world. If women had good sense, they would see my value, but they don't. I mention that because I take it personally. It matters to me more than money, but it is money that would win their favor. If I had cheated the American people and the people of the world, I would have my harem, my fantasy that one day I'll be loved. The world is not governed by reason. It is governed by insanity. The infamous number of the beast 666 may be 66.6%, that is the number of the money changers. If the money changers were honest, the bailouts would make sense. Suppose you had a yacht and it sprung a leak. Would you at least try to fix the leak before it sank the ship? After all you made a large investment. That ship was or is everything you ever dreamed about or worked for. You can give money to honest business. The problem is these businessmen who sold us down the river were ideologically pure. They were made of the right stuff, so we thought. Instead of asking the obvious, Can these people be trusted? We instead look to formulas. I think a woman would understand this better than a man. It took men to invent these God forsaken formulas. What woman doesn't ask this question? If I give myself to Him, could I trust Him with all that I am? Revision History A few minutes after I posted the above I discovered a spelling error which I corrected. I spelled sprung as strung.

BenevolentM -> RE: Raising the debt ceiling (1/13/2011 3:09:38 AM)
The content is religious because I am religious. It is not my intention to push religion on you per se. I am revealing my heart and it a continuation of what I wrote above. It might be a comfort to know that Christ forgave the whore and cast out the money changers. Notice that He did not offer them forgiveness.

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